Is Leftism a kind of Religion?

[blackbird]

One reason why Canada is more leftist than America is because it has a history of Romanist Papal governments.  Most PMs have been Romanists.  Quebec is 95% Romanist.  The influence of Romanism in Canada is the reason why it is more liberal leftist than America.   America never even had Romanist Presidents until John F. Kennedy and now Biden.   America remained more conservative as a result of not being controlled by Romanists.  But with the vast numbers of Romanists illegally migrating into America, often with the help of Romanist Democrats, America could be turning more leftist.  Of course leftists would support more illegal immigration from central and south America.  It means more Democratic or leftist votes.  That's why they are soft on illegal migrants and offer sanctuary cities and want to give them amnesty.  The more the better for leftism.

If you want more examples of the liberal left influence as a result of Romanism, look at central America and South America.  They had more Communist revolutionaries, the Cuban Communist revolution, civil wars fought with revolutionaries.  A report in a book from 1962 reported that Italy voters were 50% Communist.  The citadel of Romanism 50% Communist supporters.  Yet during and before WW2, the devout Romanist countries of Spain with Franco and Italy with Mussolini, supported Nazi Germany.  That also shows Romanist countries can swing to Socialism or Fascism.  They don't seem to have a sense of what is right or wrong.  Italy was well known for organized criminal syndicates as is Romanist Mexico now.  But they don't worry.  When the gang leaders die, they will be blessed by the priest and be given an honourable Romanist funeral with all the dignities.  They even bury them in fancy mausoleums or fancy little buildings with ornate decor.

Lady of Guadalupe: Virgin Mary’s New Symbolism for Gangs and Commerce (thedailybeast.com)

Romanism in Canada has resulted in more Socialist welfare state mentality and globalism than America.  Romanism teaches a kind of social gospel or welfare state, Socialist ideology.  The present Pope is known to be a supporter of Socialism in fact.  Even  the Vatican, which has billions of dollars and owns vast amounts of real estate, has a Pope that supports Socialist ideas. It is kind of hypocritical in a way too, because if the Vatican is so rich, which it is, why doesn't it spread its wealth around to help the world's poor countries?  Isn't that what Jesus would want?  No, instead it wants to hog its wealth and tell the rest of the world what they should do.

Here is a possible criminal with his Romanism on his back.  Believe it or not!

 

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

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Lately, I've been seeing Our Lady of Guadalupe everywhere—on hubcaps, T-shirts, and bumper stickers that read "In Guad We Trust." Driving on Los Angeles' Hollywood Freeway recently, I spotted her again—this time as a 12-foot-high sculpture projecting from the highway barrier wall. I shouldn't have been surprised. The Virgin Mary leaves her fingerprints, as Patty Griffin memorably wrote, everywhere.

From south to far north of the US-Mexico border, she is beloved by gang members, conservative Christians, artists, and day laborers. Today, on her feast day, streets from Key West to East L.A. fill with processions honoring her.

Of all of Mary's myriad cultural identities, none has captured the popular imagination as has that of Our Lady of Guadalupe, easily the most venerated icon of the Virgin Mary today. How did this holy figure become a symbol of commerce, gangsters, and right-to-lifers?"

Lady of Guadalupe: Virgin Mary’s New Symbolism for Gangs and Commerce (thedailybeast.com)

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, here's a far better not to mention perfectly accurate example of you actually doing what you're talking about - putting your words in someone else's mouth.

You're welcome.

 

 

except it doesn't.

But you did. You actually quoted me - erased what i wrote, and put in your own stuff. And when i called you on it you went back and erased what you wrote.

That's you baby:) You're the kind of person who fakes what people say and then tries to cover it up

And everyone knows it. The fact you so desperately and pathetically deny it shows how much that eats you up inside

[blackbird]

The influence of Romanism in America is growing and spreading.

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Our Lady of Guadalupe is the hardest working saint out there. Recently, this most Latin of Marys, champion of the outsider, the poor, and the oppressed, has been invoked by supporters of the Dream Act. Clearly, among her many qualities, the Virgin also has a fine sense of irony: this year, on December 9, the feast day of the peasant Juan Diego, who did not look or speak like those in power, the U.S. Senate once again delayed legislation that would enable immigration reform.

Although La Virgen's ubiquitous presence defies simple explanation, her ability to mediate contradictions—whether religious, political, ethnic, or economic—is undeniable. The proof is everywhere around us. That Guadalupe's image is found on bottle caps as well as in basilicas is evidence of the wide faith in her perennial power to build bridges between people with different values. Let's hope she makes an appearance soon on the Senate floor."

Lady of Guadalupe: Virgin Mary’s New Symbolism for Gangs and Commerce (thedailybeast.com)

All this of course is idolatry and nowhere taught in the Bible.  Pure inventions of men.

 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And when i called you on it...

Where is that call btw? It's nowhere to be seen at all.  No public post...no private message...nada thing.

Anyone else know what this loser's talking about? 

[Americana Antifa]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're a fascist supporter (a person who supports violent riots in support of dumb criminals, a supporter of forced jabs, and a supporter of the gesundheitspass), and fascist supporters are just not smart by definition. I'm not going to explain that last part to you, just trust me. 

Projection. I already said I oppose rioting and forced vaccinations. The reason you're saying this is because you're fascist. And I know this based on the politicians you support.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Does it also make you a fascist if you agree with people who think that they can change their sex just by putting on a wig? 'Cause that actually does sound like it requires a rigid belief in something that's just not all there.

No, but you purposely muddy the waters when it comes to fascism. Fascists often do that.

You're also pretending to not understand the difference between sex and gender.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Projection.

LOL  - The other buzzword that means she's losing.

Hey guys - we should do a drinking game. You have to do a shot every time she says 'pojection, deflection or goalpost" And two shots for every picture!

[Americana Antifa]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t care that you doubt what I know I’ve done.   Go to school.  

Explain to me how Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto supports the ideology of Cultural Marxism.

I can easily explain how either work backs up the modern marxist belief in collective ownership. But the nazi theory that Marxists are using "degeneracy" to spread Marxism is nonsensical.

[Americana Antifa]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL  - The other buzzword that means she's losing.

Hey guys - we should do a drinking game. You have to do a shot every time she says 'pojection, deflection or goalpost" And two shots for every picture!

You know that would only help my point, yes? The Right never engages in the substance. That's why "but her e-mails" became a meme.

[Zeitgeist]

55 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Explain to me how Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto supports the ideology of Cultural Marxism.

I can easily explain how either work backs up the modern marxist belief in collective ownership. But the nazi theory that Marxists are using "degeneracy" to spread Marxism is nonsensical.

You don’t have to make reference to Nazism to understand the cultural trend of state takeover of the means of production and the redistribution of wealth.  1950’s Labour Party Britain wasn’t far off.  When wealth is almost taxed out of existence and everyone starts living in Soviet style housing, you’re beginning to experience socialist dystopia.  But it’s great, right?  Everyone has a job.  The education and healthcare are free.  The food is basic.  That’s the kind of 1984 existence that is the Marxist fantasy.  Everyone can wear Mao grey-blue uniforms.  Men and women look the same.  No variety of product because demand is artificially defined by the state.

Drive up people’s debt and the cost of housing, bury the population in taxes to pay for centrally planned social goals like fighting climate change, arms for endless war, and keeping public health at safe levels defined by the state.

Destabilize family by transgressing people’s ethics and religious beliefs through state-sanctioned morality and compelled speech.  Use Chinese-style surveillance and tech to socially engineer and enforce conformity.

This is the trend of Cultural Marxism.

Do you think Trudeau is bringing us closer to or further from this existence?

Edited April 19, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 But the nazi theory that Marxists are using "degeneracy" to spread Marxism is nonsensical.

Not really, that's just the playbook.  They used that tactic to demonize the Jews.

[Americana Antifa]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t have to make reference to Nazism to understand the cultural trend of state takeover of the means of production and the redistribution of wealth.

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Destabilize family by transgressing people’s ethics and religious beliefs through state-sanctioned morality and compelled speech.

See, this is what I mean. What you're describing isn't real Marxism. You're describing Marxism through the lens of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.

And while I don't know if you're a Nazi, this conspiracy theory is based on a Nazi theory that formed the basis of most of Nazism. It's also the only aspect of Nazism that is still super common among Neo-Nazis.

 

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Do you think Trudeau is bringing us closer to or further from this existence?

Probably neither. I don't think he's been good on making Canada more democratic, but I also haven't seen any examples of him making Canada more authoritarian. The closest thing to a real example was the lockdowns, which were justified considering it was a global pandemic, plus they mostly ended now.

[Americana Antifa]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not really, that's just the playbook.  They used that tactic to demonize the Jews.

It's nonsensical in that it's based on lies and very easy to debunk.

Now as far as its effectiveness goes, I agree, it's extremely effective. Decades later, "cultural marxism" is still amazingly common on the Right, even among conservatives who aren't nazis.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

See, this is what I mean. What you're describing isn't real Marxism. You're describing Marxism through the lens of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.

Told you guys. EVERY mention of marxism or communism becomes 'cultural marxism'  even if it's got nothing to do with it - and then you're a nazi.

Sigh. Leftist today. whatchagonna do.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

Decades later, "cultural marxism" is still amazingly common on the Right, even among conservatives who aren't nazis.

OF course  - when you call EVERYTHING 'cultural marxism" it's pretty much guaranteed to be pretty common

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Told you guys. EVERY mention of marxism or communism becomes 'cultural marxism'  even if it's got nothing to do with it - and then you're a nazi.

Sigh. Leftist today. whatchagonna do.

Nope. I included the quotes that were indicative of viewing marxism through a conspiracy theory lens.

You can criticize communism. Personally, I don't think any system of anarchy is realistic. But saying the reason marxism is bad is because it promotes trans ideology, destroys the family, feminizes men, all of that is just the cultural marxism nazi theory.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

See, this is what I mean. What you're describing isn't real Marxism. You're describing Marxism through the lens of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.

And while I don't know if you're a Nazi, this conspiracy theory is based on a Nazi theory that formed the basis of most of Nazism. It's also the only aspect of Nazism that is still super common among Neo-Nazis.

 

Probably neither. I don't think he's been good on making Canada more democratic, but I also haven't seen any examples of him making Canada more authoritarian. The closest thing to a real example was the lockdowns, which were justified considering it was a global pandemic, plus they mostly ended now.

What planet are you on?  You’re so blind to your own ignorance, so unaware of what Nazism means, and so committed to calling everyone who disagrees with you, including moderate people, Nazis, that you’re actually a very reckless person.

Your deluded perspective explains exactly why cancel culture is rampant and ideologues are playing havoc with liberal-democratic rights, including freedom of expression.  You’re willing to write off millions of people.   You’re scary because you embody the combination of ignorance and fervour.

There’s much more to learn about and see in the world than Nazism or fascism.  Stop tilting at windmills and learn.

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nope. I included the quotes that were indicative of viewing marxism through a conspiracy theory lens.

You can criticize communism. Personally, I don't think any system of anarchy is realistic. But saying the reason marxism is bad is because it promotes trans ideology, destroys the family, feminizes men, all of that is just the cultural marxism nazi theory.

You’re inserting your own Nazi narratives.  Eliminating local small-scale economies, the family being the most elemental, is a Marxist aim because the state authority is the only authority.  If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you.  Marxism actually makes a religion of itself by claiming authority over and the ability to control nature, including human nature.  What you naturally think, what you learn from nature and science (its description) is of less importance than what the state decides you should believe and want in order to achieve the Revolution. Do you know anything about the Cultural Revolution in China?  It’s very arguable that the culture wars in the West have similarities to that revolution.  Bill Maher cleverly illustrated this.  If you continue to bury your head and call anyone who describes these social conditions as a Nazi, then you are the true totalitarian.  You’re a leftist totalitarian no different from a Castro.  

Edited April 19, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What planet are you on?  You’re so blind to your own ignorance, so unaware of what Nazism means, and so committed to calling everyone who disagrees with you, including moderate people, Nazis, that you’re actually a very reckless person.

Your deluded perspective explains exactly why cancel culture is rampant and ideologues are playing havoc with liberal-democratic rights, including freedom of expression.  You’re willing to write off millions of people.   You’re scary because you embody the combination of ignorance and fervour.

There’s much more to learn about and see in the world than Nazism or fascism.  Stop tilting at windmills and learn.

But isn't this exactly what happens when Trudeau is compared to Hitler or when his measures during the emergency Act were likened to those used in Tiananmen Square?

Edited April 19, 2023 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But isn't this exactly what happens when Trudeau is compared to Hitler or when his measures during the emergency Act were likened to those used in Tiananmen Square?

Imagine!  Someone mischaracterizing politics on this very board!

 

Why it gives me the willies it really does 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

But isn't this exactly what happens when Trudeau is compared to Hitler or when his measures during the emergency Act were likened to those used in Tiananmen Square?

Well I never made that comparison between Hitler and Trudeau.  Musk and Maher did.  Tiananmen was harsher than the EA in terms of enforcement, though the Chinese didn’t freeze bank accounts.  Do I think Trudeau acted in a totalitarian fashion?  Pretty much.  I also think if he thought the EA would be supported by the Senate, he would’ve kept it longer.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nope.

Yep. It's what you do. The slightest mention and you pretend it's  'cultural marxism' so you can call people nazis.

It's pretty pathetic.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Projection. I already said I oppose rioting

Saying: "I'm a proud member of Antifa" and then saying "I oppose rioting" is like saying "I'm not gay, I just like the taste of sperm." For some weird reason, no one believes you.

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and forced vaccinations.

How can you be such an ardent supporter of the vax fascists if you oppose fascism in general and forced vaccinations in particular? It doesn't compute.

There's no room for Biden and Trudeau in that scenario, and don't pretend that Trump and PP are fascists, they're anything but. 

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The reason you're saying this is because you're fascist.

The reason I point out your fascist tendencies is because I support fascism myself? Nuh-uh.

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And I know this based on the politicians you support.

I knew you'd go there because name-calling is your only move.

Do you have some examples of PP's fascism? Trump's fascism?

Didn't think so.

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No, but you purposely muddy the waters when it comes to fascism. Fascists often do that.

 

Your accusations are so bizarre. I think I'm gaining some insights into the mind of a domestic terrorist from talking to you, but at the same time this brush with filth is disconcerting.

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You're also pretending to not understand the difference between sex and gender.

You're also pretending not to know that when 95% of the people in NA used a word the same way for the last 50 years it's a definition.

I know what a woman is. I know what a mom is. I know what a man is. Your delusions don't change any of those things, even if you share them with the most brain dead 10% of the population. . 

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Your accusations are so bizarre

Now now - it can be hard to follow her accusations but they're not THAT hard. Lets' recap and  see if we can come up wiht a defnition of fascism that meets her critera

If you disagree with her AND you think you're a fascist - you're a fascist

If you disagree with her and you think you're NOT a fascist - that proves you're a fascist.

If you disagree with her with regards to what fascism is you're obviously a fascist

If you disagree with her about left wing fascism you're a fascist.

If you disagree with her calling you a fascist and complain - that's some solid facisming happening right there.

If only there was some sort of common element there that was present in all of them, we could probably come up with a definition....

 

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now now - it can be hard to follow her accusations but they're not THAT hard. Lets' recap and  see if we can come up wiht a defnition of fascism that meets her critera

Basically the only way that we can prove that we're not fascists is if we join her extremist group and do some rioting and looting with them.