Riley Gaines Assaulted by Trans Activists at San Francisco State University

[I am Groot]

Why people are being silent. Hint: It's not agreement and 'disdain'.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-rise-of-the-mob-and-the-new-woke-crusades

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It harms a much greater segment and there's a lot of weight pushing back at it.

There's pushback, but I wouldn't grade the opposition, female-born athletes who oppose trans inclusion or whatever, as being greater or lesser.

Notable point here, I would say, is that there's an open debate as to how to manage this issue.  I would hope that the idea that you "CAN'T DISCUSS" it should evaporate.

[TreeBeard]

52 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If you are going to accept one definition of that word you need to also accept the other.

either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

 

Agreed.  But you conveniently ignore that biological sex and gender are two different things.  

[Michael Hardner]

47 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Agreed.  But you conveniently ignore that biological sex and gender are two different things.  

...by convention...

[impartialobserver]

This attack is still a relatively rare event. Using a search engine, look up "Trans activists attack" and filter by unique values... you will come up with a 2 digit number at best. 24.000 incorporated cities and over the time frame... relatively rare. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

It is both. And always has been.

Show your work. I showed mine. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Hard-won identity? How hard is it to win an identity when all you have to do is say "I'm a woman now" as you barge into the ladies room?

 

It's hard-won and jealousy defended because the world is full of people trying to strip them of that identity and even basic dignity. Social progress and acceptance is slow and painful. Definitely hard won. 

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

People identifying as something does not change science and human anatomy. In psychology, it's called being delusional.

And this "identifying" crap led to RAPES in girls' locker rooms in public schools. It led to women's sports being invaded by stronger MEN who could not compete in their own sex, but were able to win easily in women's sports.

It isn't fair to normal people of either sex. It's just a disease.

Woke policies at work for you, there. 

There's a reason they don't work. 

You can't just imagine things and put them into policy. Or worse, work based on emotion vs logic. 

Policies should be researched, and at the very least have an understanding of them, better yet of unintended consequences based on demonstrable data.

You're otherwise putting a male into a female environment and hoping all goes well.

[West]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Because that is how they identify--and because of the challenge and struggle of being trans in this society, that hard-won identity is more jealously protected. Just because it's a social construct doesn't mean the word without meaning, particularly on a personal level.

I've known cis men who'd be inclined to punch you in the nose if you insisted on calling them a woman. Why would he be "getting all angry?" Identity matters, and to some more than others.

If there's no agreed upon definition then the word becomes meaningless. 

To the majority, penis = man; vagina = woman. 

There's no malice intent meant by using the words in their proper context. Certainly not scared of trans people 

Edited April 11, 2023 by West

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's pushback, but I wouldn't grade the opposition, female-born athletes who oppose trans inclusion or whatever, as being greater or lesser.

Notable point here, I would say, is that there's an open debate as to how to manage this issue.  I would hope that the idea that you "CAN'T DISCUSS" it should evaporate.

There's only an 'open debate' where mobs go at each other, as in the mobs of parent screaming at school boards vs the mobs of trans supporters screaming at them. As we saw with the OP (and another story I posted today) an individual who tries to speak on the issue doesn't get very far.

And notably, in the UK and US there are opposition parties that push back against it. Canada's Conservatives are, I think, far too desperately fighting against the idea they might be conservative to dare oppose trans rights.

Edited April 11, 2023 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Agreed.  But you conveniently ignore that biological sex and gender are two different things.  

You can call 'gender' a societal or cultural construct all you want. There are separate women's spaces and sports leagues not because of their gender but because of their biological sex.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

It's hard-won and jealousy defended because the world is full of people trying to strip them of that identity and even basic dignity. Social progress and acceptance is slow and painful. Definitely hard won. 

Dude, if I can say "I'm a woman" and just for the hell of it go explore womens changing rooms and join a women's sports league it's not hard won. 

Who says it's social progress that we have 250lb men beating up 150lb women in sports leagues? Many would call that social regression. Who says it's progress that a hairy, bearded man can stand in a women's change room with an erection and ogle the women because he SAYS he's a woman? Many would call that perversion. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

This attack is still a relatively rare event. Using a search engine, look up "Trans activists attack" and filter by unique values... you will come up with a 2 digit number at best. 24.000 incorporated cities and over the time frame... relatively rare. 

It's only relatively rare in that it crossed the border from conservative news. Most such attacks are ignored by the mainstream media, and so yes, go unnoticed. Just like most violence, incl racial violence perpetrated by racial minorities is ignored.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. There's only an 'open debate' where mobs go at each other.

2. ... an individual who tries to speak on the issue doesn't get very far.

 

1. Are you calling the World Athletics a mob?  It seems to me that they have opened a debate on athletics that people have been asking for.

2. It depends on the individual and what they're trying to accomplish.

 

[impartialobserver]

37 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's only relatively rare in that it crossed the border from conservative news. Most such attacks are ignored by the mainstream media, and so yes, go unnoticed. Just like most violence, incl racial violence perpetrated by racial minorities is ignored.

Sorry but I do not buy into this quasi-conspiracy theory that you are implying. Where trans folks and trans activists are violently attacking folks frequently (once an hour or so) and they are being conveniently ignored by the big bad media. This is unprovable hence why you say it. 

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, West said:

There are people born with no arms either. What point are you trying to make? It's not as clear as you think

Nice try… but you’re deliberately ignoring this fact of nature.  Yes, there are people born without arms, but that doesn’t prevent a physician from determining someone’s gender. (Or sex. Whatever. )

These aren’t aliens driving Cadillacs. These are infants. This could happen to your kid, or grandkid. It happens, for real. Baby is born and the doctor cannot tell whether it’s a Boy or a Girl. That is a fact. Now what have you got to say about it?

 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's hard-won and jealousy defended because the world is full of people trying to strip them of that identity and even basic dignity. Social progress and acceptance is slow and painful. Definitely hard won. 

Sure. I’m not against a man calling himself a woman or whatever. Live and let live. I don’t care.
 

But we have Men’s and Women’s sports for a reason: In nearly all categories, women cannot evenly compete against men. Therefore, if a man changes his gender to female, she should not be able to compete in organized competitive sporting activities in the woman’s category.  I think it is absolutely unfair competition. 

[West]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Nice try… but you’re deliberately ignoring this fact of nature.  Yes, there are people born without arms, but that doesn’t prevent a physician from determining someone’s gender. (Or sex. Whatever. )

These aren’t aliens driving Cadillacs. These are infants. This could happen to your kid, or grandkid. It happens, for real. Baby is born and the doctor cannot tell whether it’s a Boy or a Girl. That is a fact. Now what have you got to say about it?

 

What I have to say about that is that it doesn't prove your point that someone born with a penis is a woman just because they like wearing makeup and heels. 

Now what do you have to say about space aliens driving cadillacs.

[I am Groot]

28 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Sorry but I do not buy into this quasi-conspiracy theory that you are implying. Where trans folks and trans activists are violently attacking folks frequently (once an hour or so) and they are being conveniently ignored by the big bad media. This is unprovable hence why you say it. 

It's also unprovable that a 250lb man with a penis is a woman. Hence, it's simply they and you say it.

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Woke policies at work for you, there. 

There's a reason they don't work. 

You can't just imagine things and put them into policy. Or worse, work based on emotion vs logic. 

Policies should be researched, and at the very least have an understanding of them, better yet of unintended consequences based on demonstrable data.

You're otherwise putting a male into a female environment and hoping all goes well.

Why don't they just put LeBron James in a WNBA uniform and have him lead that obscure league to championships and playoffs that will draw more than 100 people a night? If we're really going to play this game, might as well put it to profitable use. Women generally do not support women's sports. (Women would rather watch Kardashian type harpies on TV tear each other apart.)

Put LeBron in an Orlando MIracle uniform, (or for that matter, ANY current member of the Orlando Magic) and EVERYONE would attend, just to watch the fiasco. (And it  probably would be an Orlando Magic player's ONLY chance at ever making a championship

[impartialobserver]

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's also unprovable that a 250lb man with a penis is a woman. Hence, it's simply they and you say it.

How do you know that I say it? Have any direct quotes... 

My quantitative approach at least provides some data not just speculation that can't be verified or proven. 

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Gender has been understood as a social construct rather than a biological observation since before you were born. Think about cultures with gendered language, in which words are assigned a gender (masculine, feminine or neuter) based on how those words relate to social expectations. As societies drift and shift so do the words and the ways they are employed.

 

 

Oh BS. If that were true, my birth certificate would not say "Gender Male". Why can't you just make up a new word instead of warping the words we already have...and have understood forever?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

  Canada's Conservatives are, I think, far too desperately fighting against the idea they might be conservative to dare oppose trans rights.

Conservatives favour individual rights so this is actually on brand.

Trade, environmentalism and the law used to be conservative touchstones.

 

 

[I am Groot]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Conservatives favour individual rights so this is actually on brand.

No, it's not. Conservatives don't favor the rights of a tiny minority who are mainly suffering from mental disorders over the safety and security of half the population. 

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Trade, environmentalism and the law used to be conservative touchstones.

And aren't they now?

I disrespect our legal system because it has clearly become ideologically tainted to such an extent it cares more about social justice than real justice. A lot of conservatives feel the same way.

I care about the environment, but don't tell me that increasing energy costs which hobble our economy and drive industry to other countries is good for the environment when the goods are simply produced elsewhere by energy which is dirtier and with fewer pollution controls.

I believe in trade but not being suckered by countries that ignore international trade rules like China does.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. ... over the safety and security of half the population. 

2. And aren't they now?

3. A lot of conservatives feel the same way.

4. I care about the environment

5. I believe in trade  

1. That is not a legitimate cost consideration.

2.  They are, but for the trolls who decry a climate conspiracy, a New World Order conspiracy, and favour invading the US Capitol or calling for the Governor General to take over the government.

3. I think that governments, being run by lawyers and politicians, are bad at management.  The system needs a tune up, anyone can see that.

4. 5. Then you are a conservative.