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"Hamm’s crime is that she believes biological sex is real, that men are men and women are women. And for that she is being persecuted.

Hamm believes that you should respect transgendered people but that women should be allowed safe spaces in areas like washrooms, changing rooms, and prisons. And for that she is being persecuted.

Hamm believes that she should be able to speak about these things because she is under the impression we live in a free, tolerant society where differing views are respected. And for that she is being persecuted."

Michael Higgins: B.C. nurse Amy Hamm is being persecuted for believing in biology (msn.com)

Her mistake is in thinking we live in a free, tolerant society where different views are respected.  Evidently some people don't understand we have been taken over by the radical woke liberals who have carefully crushed our basic freedoms of speech and thought.  They have infiltrated political parties, all levels of government, media, academia, and society.  We are now living in Orwell's soon to be new world.

 

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Her mistake is in thinking we live in a free, tolerant society where different views are respected.

And when it comes to employers and professional associations that's not ever going to happen. So stop whining that someone else's problem with one is impinging on your "rights" and implying the gov't has something to do with it.

If you have a problem with 'woke' then go back to sleep.

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15 minutes ago, herbie said:

If you have a problem with 'woke' then go back to sleep.

Thought you said the other day you were following the "better angels".   You must have meant the fallen angels or demons led by Satan.

In this topic we are using the word woke to refer to the sexual orientation and gender identity ideology.

"As much as contemporary academia says otherwise, the Bible believes in the organic unity of biological sex and gender identity. This is why male and female are (uniquely) the type of pair that can reproduce (Gen. 1:28; 2:20). It’s why homosexuality—a man lying with a man as with a woman (Lev. 18:22)—is wrong."

What Does the Bible Say About Transgenderism? (thegospelcoalition.org)

If you don't believe it, then you are deceived by the chief deceiver.  There is only one cure for that problem.  You must know what it is by now.  Jesus and the Bible.  

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29 minutes ago, herbie said:

And when it comes to employers and professional associations that's not ever going to happen. So stop whining that someone else's problem with one is impinging on your "rights" and implying the gov't has something to do with it.

If you have a problem with 'woke' then go back to sleep.

I disagree, it has nothing to do with how she does her job, nor does it have anything to do with the practice of medicine. The college should butt out, they aren't a morality police.

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Hamm believes that she should be able to speak about these things because she is under the impression we live in a free, tolerant society where differing views are respected. And for that she is being persecuted."

Has she got a lot to learn.

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Hamm believes that you should respect transgendered people but that women should be allowed safe spaces in areas like washrooms, changing rooms, and prisons. And for that she is being persecuted.

Yeah, I believe that too.  If she is being persecuted in any way, I'm on her side.

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34 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe.

Do you think that professional behaviour shouldn't be in the domain of actionable complaints?

 

This has nothing to do with professional behaviour. Unless they can show that she brings it to work and it affects the way she does her job,  they should stay out of it. I'm getting more and more worried about professional organizations that are setting themselves up as arbiters of social issues. It is a really disturbing trend. It is not their mandate to tell people what to think about things that have nothing to do with providing health care, let alone penalize them for it. Her opinions on who should be allowed to use women's washrooms is no more their concern than it is to this man. 

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18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. This has nothing to do with professional behaviour. Unless they can show that she brings it to work and it affects the way she does her job,   

1. When I read the article I thought it was about that billboard.  So I started to agree with you.

Then I read this "The charge against Hamm reads, “Between approximately July 2018 and March 2021, you made discriminatory and derogatory statements regarding transgender people, while identifying yourself as a nurse or nurse educator.”

 

So the article is purposely not telling the whole story.  And what else would you expect from culture warriors?

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5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. When I read the article I thought it was about that billboard.  So I started to agree with you.

Then I read this "The charge against Hamm reads, “Between approximately July 2018 and March 2021, you made discriminatory and derogatory statements regarding transgender people, while identifying yourself as a nurse or nurse educator.”

 

So the article is purposely not telling the whole story.  And what else would you expect from culture warriors?

I guess we would need to know what those statements were and where she said them. 

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These regulatory bodies are so politicized and fearful of the radical left woke inquisition that they’ll deny science and pretend that biological facts like sexual gender can be ignored.  Instead, what someone feels like today — woman, man, non binary, or furry — are treated as facts. Let’s hope doctors keep biological sex in mind when they medicate patients, because some drugs impact men and women quite differently, whatever one might want to think.  

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5 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Hamm’s crime is that she believes biological sex is real, that men are men and women are women. And for that she is being persecuted.

Hamm believes that you should respect transgendered people but that women should be allowed safe spaces in areas like washrooms, changing rooms, and prisons. And for that she is being persecuted.

Hamm believes that she should be able to speak about these things because she is under the impression we live in a free, tolerant society where differing views are respected. And for that she is being persecuted."

Michael Higgins: B.C. nurse Amy Hamm is being persecuted for believing in biology (msn.com)

Her mistake is in thinking we live in a free, tolerant society where different views are respected.  Evidently some people don't understand we have been taken over by the radical woke liberals who have carefully crushed our basic freedoms of speech and thought.  They have infiltrated political parties, all levels of government, media, academia, and society.  We are now living in Orwell's soon to be new world.

 

This keeps happening and so many people still don’t see how ridiculous their fear of any attempt to shift the culture back towards centre is.  They fear “Conservative” parties that aren’t even conservative, not socially or fiscally.  We’re screwed basically because Western civilization is turning into a totalitarian socialist surveillance state.  Yeah yeah I’m a conspiracy theorist freak…

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22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Then I read this "The charge against Hamm reads, “Between approximately July 2018 and March 2021, you made discriminatory and derogatory statements regarding transgender people, while identifying yourself as a nurse or nurse educator.”

Michael, That is what the nurse's association allegation is.  It is not accurate.  She said she is not opposed to trans people or transphobic.   She said she believes in biology i.e., a person is the gender they are biologically born with.  She stood up for her belief on Twitter and supported the sign in Vancouver that support J.K. Rowling, the famous author who apparently believes the same way as her.  

You should realize and admit that anyone who says they believe in the biology and does not believe in the gender fluidity ideology or that anyone can be whatever gender they choose is automatically accused of being transphobic.  You should know by now anyone who does not go along with the woke thinking on trans is automatically categorized as transphobic.

If you want to read her comments on Twitter here it is:

Amy Eileen Hamm (@preta_6) / Twitter

 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lots of hyperbole.... 

We report, we decide, you read & believe...

She put up a sign and is now being investigated apparently, which seems ridiculous.  Apparently you have to be pro-trans everything to be a nurse?  Doesn't make any sense, it has literally nothing to do with her job.

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6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

She put up a sign and is now being investigated apparently, which seems ridiculous.  Apparently you have to be pro-trans everything to be a nurse?  Doesn't make any sense, it has literally nothing to do with her job.

What’s especially insane is that this trans crusade is being launched against the woke themselves.  J.K. Rowling wrote a book that turned into a play about respecting gay love between the sons of former enemies, yet she’s a backward anti-progressive?  We need to stop listening to shrill complaints from the overly represented radical left identity politics crowd.  Oh wait, our PM is one of them.  How can free speech survive in this ethos?

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"You see, Amy Hamm had waded into the controversial conflict of worldviews between trans rights activists on one side and women’s rights, and even gay and lesbian groups, on the other. And, apparently, women’s rights are transphobic. It is a raging debate in the public square, as one would expect when a conflict of rights occurs and when a small group insists that everyone else conform to its worldview."

Amy Hamm BCCNM disciplinary hearing: Opening Submissions by Lisa Bildy, JD (cawsbar.ca)

One Twitter user commented on her feed:

"A new standard of practice is emerging for Canadian professionals: be woke, be quiet, or be accused of professional misconduct."  

The well-known political commentator, Jordan Peterson, is also apparently being threatened by the psychology association for his presentations.   I don't know where these associations get the notion they have the right to control what people say on their own time.

Canadians are losing their basic freedom of beliefs and expression.

 

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8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

She put up a sign and is now being investigated apparently, which seems ridiculous.  Apparently you have to be pro-trans everything to be a nurse?  Doesn't make any sense, it has literally nothing to do with her job.

Yeah that's what I thought too.

And I agreed with you. But that's not what happened if you read the article.  

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In the essence this is about totalitarianism: the power of total; unlimited and unchecked control. If and when you give such powers to someone, anyone, a body; an individual; a "college" set your stopwatch for the news of overreach and abuse. Not an if, just forget it. Only when, how long to get there.

No, there will be happy exceptions! How many should be enough to get it, already?

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Interesting how the arrangement of the political system, obscure and opaque but supposedly well-meaning commanding body without any meaningful independent checks or oversights, blunders repeatedly and predictably into all kind of matters that it quite obviously has no business in but it just wouldn't know where (and how) to stop begins to spread into all spheres of life.

I don't think these are isolated one-offs it's more and more like a pattern and not even of government overreach but of mentality, our social one: it's growing more and more authoritarian de facto if not on the surface. We are asking our authorities fewer questions and allowing them get away with more. Archaic and entrenched, the political system is influencing and working on an increasingly stagnating social structure, impossibility of adaptation and positive change, absence of new ideas and will to implement them, the culture or obscurity, absence of accountability and entitlement.

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19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Here's a more objective news (not opinion) article on what happened.

I'm on the fence here.  There are a number of factors.  What do you think that they are?

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-news/bc-terf-nurse-faces-hearing-over-alleged-transgender-discrimination-5848264

So she's getting "cancelled" for sponsoring a billboard in favor of JK Rowling? 

She doesn't hate who they tell you to hate therefore should be fired. 

Interesting times...

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26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm on the fence here. 

 

Only a clear, persistent unprofessional behavior can be an issue, "as a nurse, doctor etc A tells their patients to do B" where B is problematic, unconfirmed, questionable or ideologically motivated, a direct connection between the profession and clearly incorrect and harmful statement.

In the case as described there's neither. The college has no business in the matter only there because it can. Another stupid woke war (and I have absolutely no issues with TG) where there are real, modern day solutions: make more of gender neutral washrooms and changerooms. Problem solved.

 

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