Michael Hardner Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 1. 1) Our gov't isn't whispering 'diversity', they're peddling division, racism, and bigotry. 2. "Conservatives today regularly make comments against institutions like universities, the courts, the police, and trade" doesn't even mean anything. Everybody comments on those things. What are you trying to say? 3. Weird how you don't love Trudeau, but you will lie for him and carry his water. 4. Weird how you don't have blind faith in our MSM, 5. but you can't even contemplate for a second that our media has ever told a lie. 6. I can't even imagine what your little echo chamber sounds like when there are no conservatives around to inject reality into the discourse dialogue debate discussion conversation prattle session. 1. Peddling vs Whispering. Ok, Peddling. It still amounts to jack squat for most of us. It's marketing and image building. 2. I had originally written 'attack' but rewrote it to try to say that, but softer... so much for my university level writing skills. They (verbally) attack those things today. 3. I don't even LIKE Trudeau. Of course I don't lie. 4. This is exactly the problem with pretend conservatives today. Just because I don't buy into the world view of The Rebel, I am said to have 'blind faith' in the MSM. Wrong again. 5. I have noted media lies on this very board. 6. I AM a conservative. I read the Globe and Mail. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: - media is more concentrated And less capable. I mean, Canada's media is so bad that in an environment that encouraged entrepreneurship someone would be starting up new papers/tv/internet news organizations which could completely trash them. There's o little local or even Canadian news in them vs garbage and American stuff. 21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: - governments paying lip service and batting their eyes while whispering 'diversity' doesn't mean anything I would not say the Trudeau government is paying lip service to it when all its hiring and promotions are governed by it, and when everything it does, from letting contracts to handing out university grants is decided by it. Not to mention the collection of halfwits who are in Trudeau's cabinet purely due to their race, ethnicity or gender. 21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: - conservatives today regularly make comments against institutions like universities, the courts, the police, and trade They regularly make comments against institutions they see as having become heavily politicized by the Left and their social justice theories, yes. I don't believe conservatives in Canada are the ones attacking police, however. That comes from the Left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) 22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: - media is more concentrated Look, it all comes down to a few quite simple notions, really. First, democracy is not a gift, or pretty paper - it cannot be written and hung on the wall. Simply doesn't work that way. Democracy is a living entity and as all living things it needs energy and it has to move and change. The energy of democracy is the will of free, independent and active citizens. They make democracy live, evolve and advance. No f-ing less. Not pretty posters. Not "better people". Not great leaders even, without the energy their great speeches would just hand in the vacuum, useless. And that is what Canada never understood, didn't even try to, honestly and in earnest. "Good government", bundles of dough from selling stuff dug and caught why bother fixing (building, constructing, designing, thinking together, deciding)? Quickly, stick that label "Parliament" on an imperial dominion, looks good, job well done. Nothing independent anywhere in sight here, very little independent will and when if flares (Freedom convoy) it's not organized to make any lasting imprint on the system. Another commission du jour. Another committee or ombudsman. Nothing changed in essence - why bother and then impossible, too. And that's just too bad. Because democracy cannot work, and live that way. Edited January 28 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, myata said: Look, it all comes down to a few quite simple notions, really. First, democracy is not a gift, or pretty paper - it cannot be written and hung on the wall. Simply doesn't work that way. Democracy is a living entity and as all living things it needs energy and it has to move and change. The energy of democracy is the will of free, independent and active citizens. They make democracy live, evolve and advance. No f-ing less. Not pretty posters. Not "better people". Not great leaders even, without the energy their great speeches would just hand in the vacuum, useless. And that is what Canada never understood, didn't even try to, honestly and in earnest. "Good government", bundles of dough from selling stuff dug and caught why bother fixing (building, constructing, designing, thinking together, deciding)? Quickly, stick that label "Parliament" on an imperial dominion, looks good, job well done. Nothing independent anywhere in sight here, very little independent will and when if flares (Freedom convoy) it's not organized to make any lasting imprint on the system. Another commission du jour. Another committee or ombudsman. Nothing changed in essence - why bother and then impossible, too. And that's just too bad. Because democracy cannot work, and live that way. We need to strengthen our Constitution or change systems. We’re dropping in the freedom ranks and have become far too manipulated by foreign and international entities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestCanMan Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2023 at 1:24 PM, Michael Hardner said: 3. I don't even LIKE Trudeau. Of course I don't lie. When the freedom convoy was in Ottawa, you were one of the people constantly saying that it was awash in swastikas and confederate flags, but you had no pictures of it. After I called you out on it, you kept saying it. Quote 4. This is exactly the problem with pretend conservatives today. Just because I don't buy into the world view of The Rebel, I am said to have 'blind faith' in the MSM. Wrong again. Pretending to see things that they didn't show you was one example. Where were you when reasonable people were saying that we should be allowed to talk about the BSL4 lab? Where were you when we were saying that the vax mandates were BS? Where were you when we talking about vax side-effects and haplessness? Every time you were regurgitating disproven MSM BS. Quote 5. I have noted media lies on this very board. For example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: We need to strengthen our Constitution or change systems. We’re dropping in the freedom ranks and have become far too manipulated by foreign and international entities. If the UK is still up there I don't see us likely to drop. They did away with freedom of speech years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) 52 minutes ago, I am Groot said: If the UK is still up there I don't see us likely to drop. They did away with freedom of speech years ago. Careers and reputations are being destroyed over people exercising their supposed rights. I don’t know how rights are restored when so many citizens have come to accept this as normal. Current generations need to learn history, including ancient history, to understand why these rights are so fundamental to a free democracy. They were hard won and didn’t just fall from the sky. Of course anything institutional is shredded by the ignorant revolutionaries as “colonial” and “oppressive”, which is why the answer is reform, not revolution. We need to bolster our constitution. The US got amendments. Where are our amendments? Edited January 29 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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