West Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 And even law enforcement are confused... https://www.westernstandard.news/news/regina-police-chief-says-trudeau-s-gun-grab-has-too-many-questions-says/article_e3b88926-514b-11ed-8ff9-13a769a52b6b.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hn32GYvw_B8_girzGYrYBOpDL9QjjngwH_lTZO1FZpVppWj-7k3VAFEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 typical of the pathological knee jerk Canadian nanny police state ban first, ask questions later 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: typical of the pathological knee jerk Canadian nanny police state ban first, ask questions later Do you think people should be allowed to own fully auto machine guns? What about rocket launchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think people should be allowed to own fully auto machine guns? What about rocket launchers? This is about pistols and automatic weapons. Must you lie in every post? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think people should be allowed to own fully auto machine guns? What about rocket launchers? as per DC v. Heller : only those weapons which could be used for personal self defence handguns & long guns, to include repetition (semi) automatic for self defence, the fires must be applied with absolute precision you can only shoot exactly who is threatening you you cannot apply the force indiscriminately, so no area effects weapons no sustained fire (fully) automatic weapons, as those are only for area suppressive fire no explosives, as those an indiscriminate area weapon as well the line is discriminate vs indiscriminate, you have to see & know exactly what you are shooting at semi automatic handgun : yes semi automatic rifle : yes fully automatic machine gun : no explosives, incendiaries, or the like : no Edited October 22, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think people should be allowed to own fully auto machine guns? What about rocket launchers? Fully auto no. Then again you folks call an ar15 a fully auto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, West said: Fully auto no. Then again you folks call an ar15 a fully auto... even with the military variant, the fully automatic mode is rarely if ever used as unless you are point blank to the target, most of your rounds will go high & wide, waste of ammo the most effective way to employ the AR is to exploit its precision accuracy single aimed shots in close contact, you simply take those single aimed shots at a very high rate of fire fast as you can pull the trigger, which for a properly trained infantryman, is more than fast enough Edited October 23, 2022 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: even with the military variant, the fully automatic mode is rarely if ever used as unless you are point blank to the target, most of your rounds will go high & wide, waste of ammo the most effective way to employ the AR is to exploit its precision accuracy single aimed shots in close contact, you simply take those single aimed shots at a very high rate of fire fast as you can pull the trigger, which for a properly trained infantryman, is more than fast enough Yes and mostly used for small game on farms and whatnot. Assault weapons is just a name the lefties use to muddy the waters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 9:17 AM, Nationalist said: This is about pistols and automatic weapons. Must you lie in every post? He asked a question. Where was the lie? Somehow it seems you don't even know what that word means ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: He asked a question. Where was the lie? Somehow it seems you don't even know what that word means ? The law has nothing to do with automatic weapons. Thus his "question" was a deflection. On the other hand...I happen to be happily married and am a heterosexual guy. You should try coming onto another guy there...big fella... Edited October 24, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The law has nothing to do with automatic weapons. Thus his "question" was a deflection. Ah, so now it's a deflection, instead of a lie? Progress?! Now bring it home and realize that his "question" was a common reasoning tool for gun-control supporters to show the silliness of the gun-lobby's logic. The same reasoning used to justify owning and not regulating a pistol or an AR-15 can be extended to battle rifles, LMG's, grenades or (absurdly) rocket launchers. 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: On the other hand...I happen to be happily married and am a heterosexual guy. You should try coming onto another guy there...big fella... You should try thinking before you pound on that keyboard of yours. ? Edited October 24, 2022 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Ah, so now it's a deflection, instead of a lie? Progress?! Now bring it home and realize that his "question" was a common reasoning tool for gun-control supporters to show the silliness of the gun-lobby's logic. The same reasoning used to justify owning and not regulating a pistol or an AR-15 can be extended to battle rifles, LMG's, grenades or (absurdly) rocket launchers. You should try thinking before you pound on that keyboard of yours. ? Ya...right... Like I said...I'm a heterosexual male. Please come on to someone else. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Ah, so now it's a deflection, instead of a lie? Progress?! Now bring it home and realize that his "question" was a common reasoning tool for gun-control supporters to show the silliness of the gun-lobby's logic. The same reasoning used to justify owning and not regulating a pistol or an AR-15 can be extended to battle rifles, LMG's, grenades or (absurdly) rocket launchers. You should try thinking before you pound on that keyboard of yours. ? The only reason to regulate firearms of law abiding folks is additional fees which Trudeau can squander on trips to the Cayman Islands or pay to "charities" who can then in turn pay his momma hefty speaking fees. Nothing to do with "safety" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, West said: The only reason to regulate firearms of law abiding folks is additional fees which Trudeau can squander on trips to the Cayman Islands or pay to "charities" who can then in turn pay his momma hefty speaking fees. Nothing to do with "safety" Those are the only reasons, huh? ? If you're going to bring up a bunch of completely unrelated random complaints, why don't you also tell us how you feel about Klaus Schwab, Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton....? 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Those are the only reasons, huh? ? If you're going to bring up a bunch of completely unrelated random complaints, why don't you also tell us how you feel about Klaus Schwab, Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton....? Oh you poor little boy.. so triggered by the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: He asked a question. Where was the lie? Somehow it seems you don't even know what that word means ? Well the question was loaded. Unfortunately the clip was backwards in the magazine. therefore a misfire. So not even a single shot, fully semi auto or fully hemi semi demi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 It was a loaded question, but not a dishonest one. My point stands, in that the arguments you make against handgun legislation can usually be used to similar effect on weapons that even a die-hard gun nut would balk at. Whether the argument was good in this context can be debated, but Nationalist doesn't seem to really understand what lying actually means and has a tendency to whine, cry and accuse people of lies whenever they say something he doesn't like. ?♂️☹️ 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 2:30 AM, TreeBeard said: Do you think people should be allowed to own fully auto machine guns? What about rocket launchers? You do know that fully auto or anything like rockets are illegal to own right and have been for decades. what the liberals are banning are anything that looks like a military rifle regardless of operation. and well handguns becasue they look scary... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Moonbox said: It was a loaded question, but not a dishonest one. My point stands, in that the arguments you make against handgun legislation can usually be used to similar effect on weapons that even a die-hard gun nut would balk at. Whether the argument was good in this context can be debated, but Nationalist doesn't seem to really understand what lying actually means and has a tendency to whine, cry and accuse people of lies whenever they say something he doesn't like. ?♂️☹️ Canada has one of the strictest firearms policies in the western world, The liberals are counting on the average Canadians not really caring about the subject therefore going to the government default policy. when it is a lot more than that, first this is private property that was legally purchased by following dozens of safety checks on your background, medical records, references, these are all checked daily, every day of the year, if something changes it is picked up and someone will be over to confiscate your weapons. for millions of Canadians, they use these firearms as tools, be it for hunting, or sport shooting, or just plinking at your local range. The current government aims to stop all that or restrict a lot of it, with these new measures, spending billions on law abiding citizens and barely anything on criminals who are 80 to 90 % reasonable for these criminal shootings. The liberal government is using lies and deceit to convince the majority of Canadians guns are bad...legal guns that is criminal guns well they are not abiding by any rules are they. in other words, they are waving over here see what we are doing keeping you safe from nasty guns, while doing little to solve the criminal element of the problem. kind of like taking cars off the road because to many dui's, they don't care if you have a prefect driving record, give me your car, for much less than you paid for it. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I'm not a gun owner and have no intention of being one but this smacks of ideology and pandering to a base. It will accomplish little or nothing to reduce gun crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 8:35 PM, Dougie93 said: typical of the pathological knee jerk Canadian nanny police state ban first, ask questions later Like most things based solely on ideology, they aren't thought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 8:25 PM, West said: And even law enforcement are confused... https://www.westernstandard.news/news/regina-police-chief-says-trudeau-s-gun-grab-has-too-many-questions-says/article_e3b88926-514b-11ed-8ff9-13a769a52b6b.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hn32GYvw_B8_girzGYrYBOpDL9QjjngwH_lTZO1FZpVppWj-7k3VAFEA He wants to lay hands on your guns before he freezes your bank account, raises interest rates to a point you are homeless and triples the prices of food and gas so you are starved to death and unable to escape. He is doing it all with you in mind.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 11:35 PM, Dougie93 said: typical of the pathological knee jerk Canadian nanny police state ban first, ask questions later I flipped through this thread, and I disagree with you. ==== In America, where do you draw the line- does your Second Amendment extend to nuclear weapons? Your founders used the phrase "well-ordered militia". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 hours ago, August1991 said: I flipped through this thread, and I disagree with you. ==== In America, where do you draw the line- does your Second Amendment extend to nuclear weapons? again, the line is DC v. Heller, which prohibits the use of indiscriminate weapons such as explosives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, August1991 said: Your founders used the phrase "well-ordered militia". indeed State militias, regulated by the states the members of the militia have the right to bear arms for personal self defence : long guns & handguns this was originally enacted by the British however, during the French & Indians Wars as it was the British who first enacted the right to bear arms, in the Bill of Rights 1689 furthermore, under Section 7 of the Charter : right to security of the person the outright prohibition of firearms for self defence; is unconstitutional, even in Canada Edited October 25, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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