Did Justin Trudeau committ war crimes?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Wow, that was quick. (I wrote this 4 hours ago then lost it to the computer elves). I defer. So what was it about my post that made you associate it with communism?

A constitutionally protected right shouldn’t get violated and access to one’s own property and job license shouldn’t get taken away because someone decides arbitrarily that a protest is illegal.  On what basis?  People protest on streets and certainly at their parliamentary grounds all the time.  The border blockades were mostly removed and the honking had mostly stopped before the EA was declared.  A deal was in the works to move trucks.

We’re moving into a phase where government no longer has to answer the phone or table concerns to solve conflicts.  Instead, government can declare the legal illegal and detain or beat people with impunity under the auspices of emergency measures   Of course there was no emergency.  Filling some streets with vehicles and protesting peacefully is not a crisis.  Government skirted peacetime rule of law to remove opposition as though we were at war with terrorists.  It was cowardly and divisive leadership that has alienated half the country.  The vilification of the protesters was icing on the cake.

In the Soviet era protesters were removed from the scene and dealt with out of sight.  We saw it here.  Ottawa looked and felt like Warsaw after a crackdown by the communists.  Rule of law broken?   If so it was by government more than anyone else.  Don’t worry, many so called “journalists” like McQuaig of the Star piled on alongside Trudeau.  Media supported the government abuse of power and won’t change their story now.

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nefarious Banana]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 Perhaps you also forget that this illegal occupation came on the heels of the Jan. 6 attack on the US capital. That lends context to this event. The leaders of the illegal occupation issued a document (Memorandum of Understanding was what I believe it was called) showing the intent of overthrowing the lawful government of Canada. 

And all the while, Skippy as usual contracted 'convenient Covid' and hid behind Mommy's couch sniping his gutless mysogynistic, racial, inflammatory, stupid quips, then acts like a big shot by calling out the troops.

A real leader would have met with the Freedom Convoy and at least tried to work out a plan to get them to pull back. But, Oh No!  . . . not gutless Skippy. What disgrace to Canada.

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

I don't believe that Queenmandy is a Communist

I would suggest that he falls within the range invoked by Jordan Peterson

the idea that the Government of Canada is in fact nefarious, infiltrated by Communists

is too terrible for him to contemplate,

so he defaults to the "Truckers must have broken the law" safe space

Edited October 21, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, West said:

No accountability and our institutions have lost credibility

this is not limited to Canada

this is everywhere

this is a simultaneous collapse of all institutions everywhere in the Western world at once

this is a civilizational collapse of the Enlightenment era itself,

we are passing through an epoch

technological dislocation of the civilization itself by way of the internet

Marshal McLuhan's Third World War,

a gurellia information war with no distinction between military & civilian, just as foretold

Edited October 21, 2022 by Dougie93

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

A constitutionally protected right shouldn’t get violated and access to one’s own property and job license shouldn’t get taken away because someone decides arbitrarily that a protest is illegal.  On what basis?  People protest on streets and certainly at their parliamentary grounds all the time.  The border blockades were mostly removed and the honking had mostly stopped before the EA was declared.  A deal was in the works to move trucks.

We’re moving into a phase where government no longer has to answer the phone or table concerns to solve conflicts.  Instead, government can declare the legal illegal and detain or beat people with impunity under the auspices of emergency measures   Of course there was no emergency.  Filling some streets with vehicles and protesting peacefully is not a crisis.  Government skirted peacetime rule of law to remove opposition as though we were at war with terrorists.  It was cowardly and divisive leadership that has alienated half the country.  The vilification of the protesters was icing on the cake.

In the Soviet era protesters were removed from the scene and dealt with out of sight.  We saw it here.  Ottawa looked and felt like Warsaw after a crackdown by the communists.  Rule of law broken?   If so it was by government more than anyone else.  Don’t worry, many so called “journalists” like McQuaig of the Star piled on alongside Trudeau.  Media supported the government abuse of power and won’t change their story now.

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

 

 

 

While the people who were intimidated by the protestors, those who couldn't get to work because their way was blocked by trucks and protesters, those businesses who had to shut down - they don't have rights that should be protected by the government?

Oh wait - you deny they exist because it's convenient to your narrative.

Carry on.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A real leader would have encouraged the Freedom Convoy 

FIFY.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't believe that Queenmandy is a Communist

I would suggest that he falls within the range invoked by Jordan Peterson

the idea that the Government of Canada is in fact nefarious, infiltrated by Communists

is too terrible for him to contemplate,

so he defaults to the "Truckers must have broken the law" safe space

You’re right 

[Zeitgeist]

49 minutes ago, dialamah said:

While the people who were intimidated by the protestors, those who couldn't get to work because their way was blocked by trucks and protesters, those businesses who had to shut down - they don't have rights that should be protected by the government?

Oh wait - you deny they exist because it's convenient to your narrative.

Carry on.

What are you talking about?   Their perspective was backed by government and media.  

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

This is a rare report I have saved up about the Romanian revolution: 

To compare this to an outdoor party in Ottawa which got out of hand -> is an insult to the heroes that perished in those Eastern European struggles. 

My interest is about the money. Will there be details released on how was the convoy was funded? I have a strong suspicion there was some information which was classified, not available to the experts from re:politics -> probably "allowed" for such a response. 

I still think it was a mistake regardless of the information, especially to go after bank accounts, oh dear God ?, which political genius from the liberal side came up with that one?

The police did not need this emergency act to clear the party.

This was the government flexing their muscles in my opinion -> but to compare this to the Eastern European struggles is really beyond belief.

Are you sure you worked in Russia? They did not tell you the stories from the Tsar or Stalin times? The hunger and the fear? You feel that in Canada? I do not. 

You clearly didn’t hear the passionate speeches and commentary from Romanian-Canadians during the protests.  

[PIK]

6 hours ago, West said:

No the Ottawa Police adhered to the Charter. You may not like that they didn't get the injection, but doesn't mean they lose their human rights. 

What it boils down to is lefties believing that people who disagree with them should not exist. It's a very bizarre time we live in.. 

Charter doesn't cover trucks.

[PIK]

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

While the people who were intimidated by the protestors, those who couldn't get to work because their way was blocked by trucks and protesters, those businesses who had to shut down - they don't have rights that should be protected by the government?

Oh wait - you deny they exist because it's convenient to your narrative.

Carry on.

Doesn't matter, that does not warrant the EMA.

[Dougie93]

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re right 

not everyone is prepared to face the harsh truth of it

Canada has long been a protected safe space from this sort of totalitarianism

the average Canadian has never faced anything like this

if they are from Eastern Europe, they know

but most of those born & raised in Canada have never known this

so they don't actually recognize it for what it is

and it is frightening, terrifying

so if you attempt to drag then towards it, they will recoil, they will fight you, kicking & screaming

as for upon Calvary Hill is doom

“He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces He was despised, and we held Him in low esteem.” ~ Isiah 53: 3

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

not everyone is prepared to face the harsh truth of it

Canada has long been a protected safe space from this sort of totalitarianism

the average Canadian has never faced anything like this

if they are from Eastern Europe, they know

but most of those born & raised in Canada have never known this

so they don't actually recognize it for what it is

and it is frightening, terrifying

so if you attempt to drag then towards it, they will recoil, they will fight you, kicking & screaming

as for upon Calvary Hill is doom

“He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces He was despised, and we held Him in low esteem.” ~ Isiah 53: 3

Yes you know.  Interesting, I was looking for that speech by that Romanian Canadian woman in BC during the protests among the 240 page history on here of the seminal moment in our history since WW2 and especially WW1. Not even the referenda over Quebec separatism were as significant as the Freedom Convoy.  Most of the videos were deleted because of Canada’s crackdown.  It made me think of Google’s censorship in China and reminded me how fragile democracy really is.

The irony about all these posts where people think I’m being reactionary or Trumpian or whatever is that, as you know, I’ve done the social justice thing more than most of the lefties on here.  I was a bit of an environmental activist and I drew up the first maps and proposals for the GTA Greenbelt.  I read a lot of left leaning stuff like Weiss’s Substack, but I know totalitarianism when I see it.  

Edited October 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, West said:

Nice try...

Try? I am watching. They are asking questions and talking about the first weekend with a few excursions into manning later on.

Streaming on Global.ca

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

  I read a lot of left leaning stuff like Weiss’s Substack, but I know totalitarianism when I see it.  

Bari Weiss is a good Jewish girl

she understands the threat

that this totalitarianism is the path to a Holocaust

be they Communist Socialists or National Socialists

these totalitarians will ultimately seek to annihilate the State of Israel and the Jewish people in the wake

Edited October 22, 2022 by Dougie93

[West]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Try? I am watching. They are asking questions and talking about the first weekend with a few excursions into manning later on.

Streaming on Global.ca

Bottom line is there was no foreign government behind the convoy and no threats of violence despite the lies from your side. That means the Emergencies Act did not need to be called. 

[West]

13 hours ago, PIK said:

Charter doesn't cover trucks.

The Ottawa police directed the traffic and by the time the Emergencies Act was called the convoy already moved 102 trucks out of downtown. There was about 300 all together. 

So the convoy was cooperative...

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, West said:

Bottom line is there was no foreign government behind the convoy and no threats of violence despite the lies from your side. That means the Emergencies Act did not need to be called. 

Bottom line, they are discussing how badly the Ottawa police handled the situation.

All evidence is so far valid. No lies discovered.

From my side?? More idiotic assumptions form you? LOL

No EMA discussions yet.

Pay attention little man

 

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, West said:

The Ottawa police directed the traffic and by the time the Emergencies Act was called the convoy already moved 102 trucks out of downtown. There was about 300 all together. 

So the convoy was cooperative...

102 trucks over the course of the protests and off side streets. Wellington was blocked and barricaded. None towed from there till barricades came down, the day after EMA enacted.

Oh and the towed vehicles were not all trucks, they were cars too and even residents vehicles. No discrimination. They were told they were going to be towed and were. As the testimony described.

So cooperative that instead of moving the vehicle, it had to be towed. Are you really that whacked?? LOL

Edited October 22, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

Wow, parked vehicles taking time to clear out sounds frightening.  No wonder three police forces couldn’t handle the onslaught… Those bouncy castles are known for their high kill ratios.

[West]

23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

102 trucks over the course of the protests and off side streets. Wellington was blocked and barricaded. None towed from there till barricades came down, the day after EMA enacted.

Oh and the towed vehicles were not all trucks, they were cars too and even residents vehicles. No discrimination. They were told they were going to be towed and were. As the testimony described.

So cooperative that instead of moving the vehicle, it had to be towed. Are you really that whacked?? LOL

Yes which Ottawa police directed.. thats what you fail to understand. 

There was a deal reached prior to invoking of the Emergencies Act that they would move all trucks out of downtown except for in front of the PMO. That's when the PMO invoked the Act.. because it was embarrassing for them, not an actual threat. 

The Police did their jobs and came to a peaceful resolution. Sloly was forced out because the PMO wanted a violent dispersal. Nothing more nothing less

Edited October 22, 2022 by West

[West]

14 hours ago, PIK said:

Charter doesn't cover trucks.

They were driving on Public streets funded by taxpayers. 

[Queenmandy85]

Regardless of the outcome of the inquiry, Parliament should come up with legislation to deal with this type of situation. In the October crisis it was acknowledged by the Government that it was too powerful a tool but it was all they had.The Emergencies Act was thought to be a more acceptable approach but, perhaps, it too is too large a hammer. We need a mechanism to deal with domestic conflict that cannot be interpreted as over reach, yet prevents a group from holding a community hostage.

Rule number 1 in life is you do not pay blackmail. You do not negotiate with hostage takers. If you do, it will never end. As fot the participants in the occupation, Their message was already communicated to the Government before they even entered Ottawa. The message that they did not like Public Health Orders was already known. They could have achieved the same result with a letter. They represent a minority opinion in Canada and had no realistic possibility of success until the Covid numbers came down. Governments have a duty to protect the citizen. That was what the Public Health Orders introduced by the Provincial Governments were for. It appears likely, the mandates will have to be brought back this winter to save as many lives as possible, should a lethal variant return. As it is, when you compare the lack of restrictions in the US with the response of the Canadian Provincial and Federal Governments, our mortality rate is significantly lower.

[West]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Regardless of the outcome of the inquiry, Parliament should come up with legislation to deal with this type of situation. In the October crisis it was acknowledged by the Government that it was too powerful a tool but it was all they had.The Emergencies Act was thought to be a more acceptable approach but, perhaps, it too is too large a hammer. We need a mechanism to deal with domestic conflict that cannot be interpreted as over reach, yet prevents a group from holding a community hostage.

Rule number 1 in life is you do not pay blackmail. You do not negotiate with hostage takers. If you do, it will never end. As fot the participants in the occupation, Their message was already communicated to the Government before they even entered Ottawa. The message that they did not like Public Health Orders was already known. They could have achieved the same result with a letter. They represent a minority opinion in Canada and had no realistic possibility of success until the Covid numbers came down. Governments have a duty to protect the citizen. That was what the Public Health Orders introduced by the Provincial Governments were for. It appears likely, the mandates will have to be brought back this winter to save as many lives as possible, should a lethal variant return. As it is, when you compare the lack of restrictions in the US with the response of the Canadian Provincial and Federal Governments, our mortality rate is significantly lower.

Your inflammatory rhetoric is disgraceful. 

There was no "hostage taking" there was hundreds of thousands of people who showed up to voice displeasure with barbaric and inhumane Government policy. Nothing more nothing less

Edited October 22, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

46 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Wow, parked vehicles taking time to clear out sounds frightening.  No wonder three police forces couldn’t handle the onslaught… Those bouncy castles are known for their high kill ratios.

Nope except the tow truck operators were scared of the protesters, as was told by several of the witnesses.