Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Moonbox]

18 hours ago, taxme said:

I support Putin because the lying and fake far left wing liberal media is against Putin. When the media attacks and mocks anyone for anything, then I will always go to the exact opposite. 

What an enlightened and measured take .  I guess taxme also supports pedophiles, Islamic terrorists and communist China then.  The media attacks these things as well, so using his own super-genius reasoning, he must go the exact opposite.  ?

Edited October 23, 2022 by Moonbox

[DogOnPorch]

 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/1/2022 at 12:16 AM, Aristides said:

If you are so concerned about a world war, talk to your buddies in the Kremlin who started this war. You probable think Hitler's invasion of Poland was Poland's fault.

He’s already stated that when women get raped he believes it’s the woman’s fault for provoking the rapist. 

Edited October 23, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Aristides]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why do you think any NATO nations are in danger?

 

They would be if they weren't in NATO. Ukraine is the proof.

Edited October 23, 2022 by Aristides

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

lol nice vid.  Max Blumenthal - an RT toady.  

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And what of the other ex-Warsaw pact countries do they surrender as well, do we vote them out of NATO, why has Putin drawn a line in the sand stating that Ukraine is the last straw, when many other NATO countries also border Russia.

Russia, before this Ukraine war was feared by most of the world. it was thought they had a very modern military, that could fight, when in reality Ukraine has shown this to be a hollow core at best. Putin has destroyed that reputation of Russia being a world power, now it is only a nuclear menace with a mad man on the trigger.

Yes, Zelensky has dropped his draws and pissed on Putin's Russia, but that is not worth destroying the planet over, nor is it an excuse for Russia to invade, which is Putin's style, well Russia style anyways. 

Two NATO countries bordered Russia at the start of this war, and Russia wasn't strong enough to oppose their entry at the time it happened. They're also extremely tiny, to the point of being 1/10th as important as Ukraine. 

Zelensky put a knife to Putin's throat and now it's war. I don't wish Zelensky and the Ukrainians any luck at all. They can go to hell. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s already stated that when women get raped he believes it’s the woman’s fault for provoking the rapist. 

How old are you, honestly? Just by decades is close enough.

[BeaverFever]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How old are you, honestly? Just by decades is close enough.

Nationalist did specifically say that, if that’s what you’re getting at. 
 

FWIW Im in my 40s 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As I recently said,

What you say doesn't actually matter Beave. No one gives a crap. 

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the truth hurts and you and your allies in Russia, China, North Korea, Syria and Saudi can suck on it (the truth that is)

I don't have any allies in Russia, China, Syria, NoKo or Saudi.

There's not a policy I support anywhere that supports any of those guys, unlike you and your pro-Saudi energy policies.

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Two NATO countries bordered Russia at the start of this war, and Russia wasn't strong enough to oppose their entry at the time it happened. They're also extremely tiny, to the point of being 1/10th as important as Ukraine. 

Zelensky put a knife to Putin's throat and now it's war. I don't wish Zelensky and the Ukrainians any luck at all. They can go to hell. 

How did he put a knife to Putin's throat? Nato rejected Ukraine membership.

Public opinion went from 28% in favour of joining Nato in 2010 to 62%  in 2014 after Putin annexed Crimea. Putin was holding the  knife.

Edited October 23, 2022 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

How did he put a knife to Putin's throat?

If I have to explain it to you now then there's no way that you can possibly understand. Just accept that some things are over your head. 

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Nato rejected Ukraine membership.

It would be impossible for every NATO member to be as dumb as Biden.

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Public opinion went from 28% in favour of joining Nato in 2010 to 62%  in 2014 after Putin annexed Crimea. Putin was holding the  knife.

The Dems under Obama were hyping up Ukraine in NATO before Crimea was invaded. 

You can thank them for two wars if you want, it seems like you're into that kinda thing.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What you say doesn't actually matter Beave. No one gives a crap. 

I don't have any allies in Russia, China, Syria, NoKo or Saudi.

There's not a policy I support anywhere that supports any of those guys, unlike you and your pro-Saudi energy policies.

Those are Russia’s allies so that gives you a sense of who you’re in bed with.

I can’t wait to hear how you think I have “pro-Saudi energy policies” considering the left is doing all it can to make the Saudis’ sole asset, fossil fuels, obsolete while the right is doing everything possible to ensure that their sole asset continues to control the world economy. 

[BeaverFever]

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems under Obama were hyping up Ukraine in NATO before Crimea was invaded. 

That’s false. Ukraine was ruled by a brutal anti-west, pro-Moscow Russian puppet until February 2014 when he fled to Moscow after a popular uprising.  Russia invaded within days of their puppet fleeing the country.
 

By the end of March 2014 pro-Russian militias suddenly and magically appeared in Donbas out of nowhere in the Donbas, fully trained and armed with fresh Russian military equipment and vehicles including tanks and self-propelled anti-aircraft missiles and supported by de-badged Russian army regulars and special forces. In July 2014 those forces accidentally shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 283 passengers on board 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why do you think any NATO nations are in danger?

All NATO countries are just trigger points that's all. What remains of the Russian conventional forces could deal a great deal of damage to most NATO countries. but Putin knows it would mean war, that would quickly escalate to a full exchange of WMD's. After that nothing else matters does it. 

But my question was why Ukraine is the line in the sand when so many ex-Warsaw countries have crossed over to NATO. why did he not invade all the others. It was becasue the world did not even blink when he first annexed portions of Ukraine. Nobody cared, and he was expecting the same result. it impowered him, he expected no opposition.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Two NATO countries bordered Russia at the start of this war, and Russia wasn't strong enough to oppose their entry at the time it happened. They're also extremely tiny, to the point of being 1/10th as important as Ukraine. 

Zelensky put a knife to Putin's throat and now it's war. I don't wish Zelensky and the Ukrainians any luck at all. They can go to hell. 

Russia is going to lose more than it could ever gain in this war, it is not about Ukraine now, it is about saving face, and if he does not he will be taken for a drive out into the forest never to be seen again.

Russia saves face by blaming a mad man, world gets back to normal that's the only route back to normalcy there is.  And the longer this thing drags on Russia will do something desperate that will drag NATO into it. And when it does it is going be over.

No one country is above international law, the basic laws that govern how each nation can interact with each other. Russia crossed the line. and will be held accountable. 

[athos]

This is horrifying

OSINT (open source intelligence) investigators stated the real irreparable losses of the Ukrainian army.
The irreparable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of October 20, 2022 amounted to 402,000 people, of which 387,000 were killed.

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, Aristides said:

Nato could crush what is left of the Russian military without using nukes. Nato won't be the first to use them.

Your right, but if Russia is boxed into a corner, it will use every weapon including WMD that's in their doctrine. And while NATO does have superior weapons, never underestimate the power of numbers, NATO like everyone has been living off all the peace bonds from the last 30 years and has let its military slide to drastic numbers. Canada being one of the worst offenders. 

Global war does not care if you're ready or not, our sons and daughters will still go armed with hand me downs form other nations, but we will be there. Lambs to the slaughter, like both world wars before. 

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, athos said:

This is horrifying

OSINT (open source intelligence) investigators stated the real irreparable losses of the Ukrainian army.
The irreparable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of October 20, 2022 amounted to 402,000 people, of which 387,000 were killed.

Wow that's 90% of their active military and reserves yet they are still kicking your ass. That must be very humiliating for you.

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Hardly. Your M.O. is that when you feel you must say something critical about Russia you choose the mildest form possible and make sure that in the same breath you add something especially harsh about Ukraine. We see through your nonsense. 
 

No that’s not the fact at all. Ukraine did not attack “ethnic Russians”. I’ve already explained the source of that lie in my previous post. 

Beave...you cannot have your own truth.

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Everything in my post is the truth, Putin puppet. You, Putin, and  your allies in Iran, China, North Korea, Syria and Saudi Arabia can suck on it. 

Lol...you sure do like to make shit up...I suppose that's why I take nothing you say seriously. 

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I love how you Russian propagandists demand “proof” for every inconvenient truth while you make all sorts of baseless accusations without any evidence whatsoever. 

Ukraine did not attack “the eastern provinces”. You are the one living in alternative reality if you are denying the existence of the Russia-backed separatist militia groups that were somehow magically appeared armed with Russian tanks and missiles in 2014, the same year Russia’s puppet dictator of Ukraine was forced to flee and Russia invaded Crimea, and have now been formally absorbed into the Russian military.  It’s also a recorded fact that de-badged Russian regular army and special forces have been embedded in those groups since  2014. 
 

You are also living in alternate reality if you doubt the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 by a Buk missile from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation, that arrived in the Donbas from Russia that same day.   

 Go ahead scream conspiracy because it doesn’t fit your pro-Kremlin narrative nobody believes your lies. 

I'll just stick to the facts...ma'am.

https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/30/history-donbas-donetsk-luhansk/

Edited October 24, 2022 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

They would be if they weren't in NATO. Ukraine is the proof.

Oh BS. Ukraine is a failed state that has no NATO alliance. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

All NATO countries are just trigger points that's all. What remains of the Russian conventional forces could deal a great deal of damage to most NATO countries. but Putin knows it would mean war, that would quickly escalate to a full exchange of WMD's. After that nothing else matters does it. 

But my question was why Ukraine is the line in the sand when so many ex-Warsaw countries have crossed over to NATO. why did he not invade all the others. It was becasue the world did not even blink when he first annexed portions of Ukraine. Nobody cared, and he was expecting the same result. it impowered him, he expected no opposition.

I'm not sure why NATO is making such a fuss over a nation they previously rejected. Except...maybe...use of war to drag them all outta a recession?

Edited October 24, 2022 by Nationalist

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Beave...you cannot have your own truth.

You certainly do.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I'll just stick to the facts...ma'am.

https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/30/history-donbas-donetsk-luhansk/

None of what I said is contradicted in that link.