Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia’s supporters and suppliers  in or out of the UN have been Iran, North Korea, China, Syria and Saudi Arabia   @taxme, @Nationalist, @WestCanMan, @DogOnPorch must think those countries are the world’s real good guys and the rest of us are just evil. Some “patriots”. 

Beave...you certainly do live in an alternate reality. However...do you have the conviction to lie like this to a person's face?

Somehow...I rather doubt it.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Total lie. What you try to dishonestly describe simply as “ethnic Russians” were terrorist militia armies complete with tanks, rocket launchers, anti-aircraft missiles armed, trained and funded by Moscow….and even out-of-uniform Russian army soldiers specially sent by Moscow who SHOT DOWN A CIVILIAN AIRLINER FULL OF PEOPLE you clueless puppet. 

And you can prove this right? No?

The Ukrainian military...filled with neo-nazis...attacked the eastern provinces. That happens to be a well established fact.

Your denial of this only further solidifies your already comical reputation. 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Nationalist

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You continue to misquote me. Why don't you post the whole statement? Or...would that defeat your purpose...

It was a direct quote.  You can go ahead and post the whole statement again if you want, because it doesn't add any context other than that you're mad at us for supporting Ukraine!  ?

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sonny-Boy...the English language is full of words to aptly describe you...but I've promised the site mods to not engage in said descriptive words.

The English language is also full of descriptive words for inarticulate know-nothings with limited vocabularies.  ?

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You wanted the coming bloodbath...so sit back and wallow in it.

I will continue to advocate for a diplomatic solution.

He says, after telling us: 

 

I want PEAACE (as long as Putin gets what he wants!)

Edited October 22, 2022 by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia’s supporters and suppliers  in or out of the UN have been Iran, North Korea, China, Syria and Saudi Arabia   @taxme, @Nationalist, @WestCanMan, @DogOnPorch must think those countries are the world’s real good guys and the rest of us are just evil. Some “patriots”. 

The "rest of us" aren't evil, but the Dems and their idiot supporters certainly are.

There's no other good reason for supporting riots and other violent crime, attacking the energy sector, and the creeping fascism that's rolling into NA.

You can support your Nazis in Ukraine all you want, I really don't care what people like you do Beave.  

[taxme]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So why do you support Putin doing that now?

Fyi, seeing that you are not up on things, there was an election held in the Donbass region where the citizen's of the Donbass voted to join Russia willingly. Putin did not annex the Donbass by an invasion and then took over that region illegally.  

I support Putin because the lying and fake far left wing liberal media is against Putin. When the media attacks and mocks anyone for anything, then I will always go to the exact opposite. That is where I will then always find out as to who is really the culprit. And in my opinion, Nazi globalist puppet and corrupt Zelensky is the problem. There will be no peace in the Ukraine until he is gone. Believe it or not. 

So, why do you support Zelensky and why do you care as to what goes on in Ukraine? Come on, man, give me an answer and stop running away all the time. ?

[taxme]

20 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So if an intruder  forces his way into your home and declares that it belongs to him now, and you try to fight back, then by your idiotic logic, the intruder is the homeowner with a right to defend himself and his newfound home from you?

The annexed regions do not “belong” to Russia any more than stolen property belongs to a thief. And Russia is losing more amd more of their stolen land every week. 

The Donbass region belongs to Russia now because the citizen's in those regions voted in an election to join Russia. Wtf more do you need to know, stunned? Your Zelensky idiotic logic is very idiotic Zelensky looking to me. ?

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Aristides said:

143 countries voted to condemn Russia's invasion, only five supported Russia and one of them was Russia.

There has never been such a lopsided vote in the UN and if Russia didn't have veto power on the Security Council, there would be UN troops in Ukraine today.

The biggest buffoon lives in your mirror.

A 143 WEF globalists sucking countries that despise Russia even though Russia has never done anything to them. 

Lopsided votes in the UN has happened many times in the past. Nothing new to see here. 

When I look in the mirror, all I ever see is a smart and intelligent looking guy. As far as I am concerned, one of the many biggest buffoons here is you. Just saying. ?

[taxme]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The "rest of us" aren't evil, but the Dems and their idiot supporters certainly are.

There's no other good reason for supporting riots and other violent crime, attacking the energy sector, and the creeping fascism that's rolling into NA.

You can support your Nazis in Ukraine all you want, I really don't care what people like you do Beave.  

Beaver Cleaver cannot seem to get it and realize that he is supporting a Nazi leader like Zelensky. At least Putin is not a Nazi. LOL.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Total lie. What you try to dishonestly describe simply as “ethnic Russians” were terrorist militia armies complete with tanks, rocket launchers, anti-aircraft missiles armed, trained and funded by Moscow….and even out-of-uniform Russian army soldiers specially sent by Moscow who SHOT DOWN A CIVILIAN AIRLINER FULL OF PEOPLE you clueless puppet. 

I do believer that you are the real clueless one here. Just saying. 

[taxme]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

And let’s not forget that Russia is preparing to blow up the Nova Kakhovka dam in Ukraine, causing massive flooding. You know that if/when it happens, the Putin puppets will try to say Zelensky did it, so just putting it out there now. 

The Americans or the Ukrainians blew up that gas pipeline and the Crimean bridge and they may even try and blow up the dam and make it appear as though Russia did it. These Nazi puppet on a string globalists like Zelensky will do anything to try and make Russia look bad. It looks like it may be tit for tat and well deserved though. The Ukranian people have no idea that Nazi and corrupt Zelensky is their real enemy. The sooner they get rid of that Nazi the better off they will be. Just my opinion of course. ?

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You could ask yourself the same question. 

As for me, I just find it very interesting. I've watched Putin's thuggery for 20 years, see him for the villain and despot that he is, and I wish him nothing but failure.  

I'm not an expert on this war, and neither are you.  I subscribe to reality, however, so I have a distinct advantage in these discussions over people like you who can't stop from tripping over your own delusions.

The problem with this donkey-logic is that I do read all sorts of news sources, from all over the world with all sorts of different viewpoints.  The arguments, conclusions and biases that an Indian news source presents are quite different than a British one, for example.  These are actual alternative news sources, in that they are different sources of actual news.  

What you're subscribing to is alternative reality news, in that it's just a bunch of trashcan websites with parades of bloggers, personalities and editorialists making the noises that you want to hear.  ?

Well, there you go. As I have already said, you and I have no idea as to what is really going in in the Ukraine. We only go by what we read from the media. And from my experience with the leftist liberal media, they always try and avoid the truth.

This is why I will never believe nor listen too as to what the leftist liberal bought off corporate controlled MSM has to say. When did they ever try and again both sides of the story? Why doesn't that MSM ever try and get the other side of the story as they should be doing? I want to hear from the Russian side also. Let us hear what the other side has to say for a change. Of course, I know that will never happen. We the peasants are not supposed to know or be able to listen to the other side of the story. It could possibly hurt the ones who push that other side of the story. 

You are no expert on this feud between Russia and the Ukraine so stop acting like you are an expert. You and I are not privy as to what is really going on in Ukraine. Or are you just a troll and a supporter for Zelensky by chance? Well? 

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It was a direct quote.  You can go ahead and post the whole statement again if you want, because it doesn't add any context other than that you're mad at us for supporting Ukraine!  ?

The English language is also full of descriptive words for inarticulate know-nothings with limited vocabularies.  ?

He says, after telling us: 

 

I want PEAACE (as long as Putin gets what he wants!)

That picture could also be seen as Putin pizzing on Zelensky as to tank rolls over Zelensky. LOL.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry pal. YOU might have a hard time  objectively telling the difference between reality and fantasy, and YOU might just be blindly trusting one version of reality over another based your best guess and which public figures you find more likeable. But the rest of us have critical thinking skills and more importantly didn’t marinate in a lifetime of general ignorance before taking an interest in current events so we’re able to tell the difference. 

I have been following politics for years, stunned. So, what makes you such an expert in politics and the rest who oppose your bullshit ideals and beliefs a bunch of know nothings? Where do you get off thinking that you are number one and people like me are number two? Get lost with your typical leftist lieberal bullshit and ignorant attitude that you think that you know all and I know nothing. If you had any thinking skills at all, it would be a fkn bloody miracle. Just saying. ?

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Beaver Cleaver cannot seem to get it and realize that he is supporting a Nazi leader like Zelensky. At least Putin is not a Nazi. LOL.

Putin's a pretty bad guy, but regardless of that fact he has every right to protect his people, and Russians can't have NATO parked on their doorstep. 

 I don't care how many rockets Russia fires into Ukraine, this is Zelensky's war, and it's fair if his people suffer until eithet he surrenders or they remove him from office. 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Putin's a pretty bad guy, but regardless of that fact he has every right to protect his people, and Russians can't have NATO parked on their doorstep. 

 I don't care how many rockets Russia fires into Ukraine, this is Zelensky's war, and it's fair if his people suffer until eithet he surrenders or they remove him from office. 

And what of the other ex-Warsaw pact countries do they surrender as well, do we vote them out of NATO, why has Putin drawn a line in the sand stating that Ukraine is the last straw, when many other NATO countries also border Russia.

Russia, before this Ukraine war was feared by most of the world. it was thought they had a very modern military, that could fight, when in reality Ukraine has shown this to be a hollow core at best. Putin has destroyed that reputation of Russia being a world power, now it is only a nuclear menace with a mad man on the trigger.

Yes, Zelensky has dropped his draws and pissed on Putin's Russia, but that is not worth destroying the planet over, nor is it an excuse for Russia to invade, which is Putin's style, well Russia style anyways. 

[Army Guy]

On 10/3/2022 at 1:08 PM, Boges said:

I posed this in the other Ukraine thread. 

What does Nuclear War look like? Does Putin use it to destroy Ukrainian Cities or does he use it to cripple their fighting force? 

If Putin uses it in Ukraine , it will bring in NATO for sure, and only escalate very quickly once that is done, Russia will lose a ground war, and most likely use a full nuclear strike that will end everything we know. 

[Aristides]

Nato could crush what is left of the Russian military without using nukes. Nato won't be the first to use them.

[DogOnPorch]

 

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It was a direct quote.  You can go ahead and post the whole statement again if you want, because it doesn't add any context other than that you're mad at us for supporting Ukraine!  ?

The English language is also full of descriptive words for inarticulate know-nothings with limited vocabularies.  ?

He says, after telling us: 

 

I want PEAACE (as long as Putin gets what he wants!)

Cute. Is this the best you're capable of? Lying and posting self portraits?

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And what of the other ex-Warsaw pact countries do they surrender as well, do we vote them out of NATO, why has Putin drawn a line in the sand stating that Ukraine is the last straw, when many other NATO countries also border Russia.

Russia, before this Ukraine war was feared by most of the world. it was thought they had a very modern military, that could fight, when in reality Ukraine has shown this to be a hollow core at best. Putin has destroyed that reputation of Russia being a world power, now it is only a nuclear menace with a mad man on the trigger.

Yes, Zelensky has dropped his draws and pissed on Putin's Russia, but that is not worth destroying the planet over, nor is it an excuse for Russia to invade, which is Putin's style, well Russia style anyways. 

Why do you think any NATO nations are in danger?

[BeaverFever]

On 10/22/2022 at 7:49 AM, Nationalist said:

Actually Beave I have "denounced" Russia's invasion.

Hardly. Your M.O. is that when you feel you must say something critical about Russia you choose the mildest form possible and make sure that in the same breath you add something especially harsh about Ukraine. We see through your nonsense. 
 

On 10/22/2022 at 7:49 AM, Nationalist said:

Fact is...Ukraine did attack the ethnic Russians in the Eastern provinces and Russia did respond by invading Ukraine.

No that’s not the fact at all. Ukraine did not attack “ethnic Russians”. I’ve already explained the source of that lie in my previous post. 

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Beave...you certainly do live in an alternate reality. However...do you have the conviction to lie like this to a person's face?

Somehow...I rather doubt it.

Everything in my post is the truth, Putin puppet. You, Putin, and  your allies in Iran, China, North Korea, Syria and Saudi Arabia can suck on it. 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/22/2022 at 9:08 AM, Nationalist said:

And you can prove this right? No?

The Ukrainian military...filled with neo-nazis...attacked the eastern provinces. That happens to be a well established fact.

Your denial of this only further solidifies your already comical reputation. 

I love how you Russian propagandists demand “proof” for every inconvenient truth while you make all sorts of baseless accusations without any evidence whatsoever. 

Ukraine did not attack “the eastern provinces”. You are the one living in alternative reality if you are denying the existence of the Russia-backed separatist militia groups that were somehow magically appeared armed with Russian tanks and missiles in 2014, the same year Russia’s puppet dictator of Ukraine was forced to flee and Russia invaded Crimea, and have now been formally absorbed into the Russian military.  It’s also a recorded fact that de-badged Russian regular army and special forces have been embedded in those groups since  2014. 
 

You are also living in alternate reality if you doubt the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 by a Buk missile from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation, that arrived in the Donbas from Russia that same day.   

 Go ahead scream conspiracy because it doesn’t fit your pro-Kremlin narrative nobody believes your lies. 

[BeaverFever]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The "rest of us" aren't evil, but the Dems and their idiot supporters certainly are.

There's no other good reason for supporting riots and other violent crime, attacking the energy sector, and the creeping fascism that's rolling into NA.

You can support your Nazis in Ukraine all you want, I really don't care what people like you do Beave.  

As I recently said, the truth hurts and you and your allies in Russia, China, North Korea, Syria and Saudi can suck on it (the truth that is). The only creeping fascism is from people like you who want to serve these evil totalitarian forces in order to further your extreme right wing agenda. 

[BeaverFever]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

Fyi, seeing that you are not up on things, there was an election held in the Donbass region where the citizen's of the Donbass voted to join Russia willingly. Putin did not annex the Donbass by an invasion and then took over that region illegally.  

I support Putin because the lying and fake far left wing liberal media is against Putin. When the media attacks and mocks anyone for anything, then I will always go to the exact opposite. That is where I will then always find out as to who is really the culprit. And in my opinion, Nazi globalist puppet and corrupt Zelensky is the problem. There will be no peace in the Ukraine until he is gone. Believe it or not. 

So, why do you support Zelensky and why do you care as to what goes on in Ukraine? Come on, man, give me an answer and stop running away all the time. ?

The version of reality that you offer above is a hilarious and delusional portrait that not only falsifies and distorts the facts but highlights your shocking lack of understanding of how the world works and what is legal or moral  

You are such a know-nothing crackpot  sucker of Kremlin propaganda, on every issue you make the other right l-wing crazies on this site seem moderate and reasonable by comparison. 

I honestly don’t feel obligated to debate basic concepts and facts with people who are so deranged they  believe the world is under some insidious global conspiracy that involves everyone on the planet except Trump, Putin and their followers.