'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[Yzermandius19]

54 minutes ago, Rebound said:

According to what?

The Presidential Records Act says he isn’t allowed to have ANY of it.  It belongs to the People, and must be given to the National Archives. 
 

Again, what Federal Law says the ex-President gets to “negotiate” when handed a subpoena? Where does the law say that an affidavit  that is signed “Under Penalty of Perjury” (a felony), can be an outright lie? 
 

I’m telling you what THE FEDERAL LAW says. You can look it up and read it. You’re telling us what a bunch of right-wing liars are telling you.  They’ve been lying to you for years and you refuse to believe it. 

you believe the left wing liars who have been wrong about the walls closing in on Trump over and over again for seven years

I believe the people who have been right about them being full of shit every single time

you don't know shit about the federal law and neither do the sources you believe

no matter how many times you get proven wrong about Trump committing a crime

you still totally buy into the next supposed crime the media and Democrats say he's guilty of

Edited September 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

38 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

It's good you're such a fan of the law, Rebound.

The story below will have you dancing around like this , of course.

https://conservativebrief.com/judge-39-66204/

A partial victory.

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Even so, it is not clear that the decision will have a significant effect on any investigative or charging decisions or the ultimate outcome of the probe. A separate assessment by the U.S. intelligence community of the risk posed by the apparent mishandling of classified records will continue under the judge's order.

 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Where? AFAIK, the server was ordered wiped well before the subpoena and when the COMPANY which MANAGED it figured out it hadn't been done, they went ahead and did it.

You're lying when you say Hillary did any of that after a subpoena was issued

.He did the same thing. But his classified documents were CLEARLY MARKED.

I think it's funny that you believe Hillary knew how to Bleachbit or even what it is.

 

Hillary Wiped Her Server With BleachBit Despite Subpoena | BWCentral

If you think Hillary personally used Bleachbit and hammers and not her staff that's pretty naive.

Hillary Clinton Got a Subpoena on Her Emails That Made Her White as a Sheet – American Patriot Daily

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails (thegatewaypundit.com)

Prosecuting Trump for a misdemeanor for possessing or removing classified documents would seem gratuitous, while prosecuting him for a felony would raise questions of biased or selective prosecution. After all, in 2016, Hillary Clinton had not just 113 documents containing classified material but some documents “classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level” on her private email servers. (In Trump’s case, the government allegedly found roughly 100 documents in the Mar-a-Lago raid in addition to roughly 150 handed over by the Trump team under an earlier subpoena.)

Clinton’s documents were even more vulnerable to being compromised via her unclassified email account and, according to the FBI, “hostile actors gained access” to some of the information. Yet she was never subjected to a raid, let alone a charge.

Yet, while less glaring as a contradiction than the charges on the possession or handling of classified information, an obstruction charge would allow up to a 20-year sentence and could be brought with misdemeanor charges on the mishandling or retention of classified information.

Thus, an obstruction charge against Trump would be prosecuted in the shadow of Hillary Clinton’s case. In addition to the transfer of top-secret and other classified documents to her private server, Clinton and her staff did not fully cooperate with investigators. During the investigations of her conduct, some of us marveled at the temerity of the Clinton staff in refusing to turn over her emails and other evidence to State Department and DOJ investigators, including laptops holding suspected classified information. The FBI had to cut deals with her aides to secure their cooperation.

[Infidel Dog]

I'm going to post this one for you again Robo because you appear to have missed some real interesting points.

This for instance...

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The FBI is not an institution that deserves trust. They have violated our trust. They have violated our rights. They have violated us innumerable times in the past 5, 6, 7 years - really since their inception but we can save that all for a different day.

These the same swamp creatures who were telling us right now to trust them about this photograph...same swamp creatures who peddled the Steele dossier. 

This is the same FBI that lied about Carter Page being a Russian spy when they knew he was not.

This is the same deep state...and mainstream media according to the deep state that promoted headline after headline about these alleged Pee Tapes that President Trump was "part of," that were false from the beginning.

This is the same FBI that won't release 14,000 hours of video around January 6.

This is the same FBI that lied about the Hunter Biden laptop story and directed a private entity - Facebook - to censor this story in the leadup to the 2020 election because they knew it was true. They knew it would impact peoples' decisions whether or not to vote for Joe Biden. They wanted Joe Biden to be President and they silenced this story based on a lie, calling it Russian misinformation, when they knew it was true, because they had the laptop."

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Hillary Wiped Her Server With BleachBit Despite Subpoena | BWCentral

If you think Hillary personally used Bleachbit and hammers and not her staff that's pretty naive.

You're the one who said Hillary did it. The company which managed her server was NOT "her staff," and they were just belatedly carrying our orders from months earlier. That machine was in THEIR possession at that time.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'm going to post this one for you again Robo because you appear to have missed some real interesting points.

This for instance...

"

The FBI is not an institution that deserves trust. They have violated our trust. They have violated our rights. They have violated us innumerable times in the past 5, 6, 7 years - really since their inception but we can save that all for a different day.

These the same swamp creatures who were telling us right now to trust them about this photograph...same swamp creatures who peddled the Steele dossier. 

This is the same FBI that lied about Carter Page being a Russian spy when they knew he was not.

This is the same deep state...and mainstream media according to the deep state that promoted headline after headline about these alleged Pee Tapes that President Trump was "part of," that were false from the beginning.

This is the same FBI that won't release 14,000 hours of video around January 6.

This is the same FBI that lied about the Hunter Biden laptop story and directed a private entity - Facebook - to censor this story in the leadup to the 2020 election because they knew it was true. They knew it would impact peoples' decisions whether or not to vote for Joe Biden. They wanted Joe Biden to be President and they silenced this story based on a lie, calling it Russian misinformation, when they knew it was true, because they had the laptop."

It wasn't the FBI I heard telling about their COMMON PRACTICES wrt to evidence gathering. As I said, it was ex-FBI agents. Don't really care what some propagandist named Wheeler says. Does she even have experience working for FBI? Doesn't sound like she does.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

It's good you're such a fan of the law, Rebound.

The story below will have you dancing around like this , of course.

https://conservativebrief.com/judge-39-66204/

Utterly absurd. She was appointed by Trump, and should have recused herself. What’s more, her ruling was based on Executive Privilege, which former Presidents do not have.  

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

They're either misleading you or you're leaving out context. Give us a link.

You're leaving out some context for sure. The watermark on the bottom of the pic says AP. Who authorized leaking it to the media?

It wasn't this guy:

Agents do that all the time!

 

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Agents do that all the time!

 

You don't get it. The cult believes Trump is above the law.

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, robosmith said:

You don't get it. The cult believes Trump is above the law.

 

 

How is old Hunter doing these days?

I do know he got to go on vacation recently. Not bad for a kdfker crack head that launders money for dear ol' Dad.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And as Liz Wheeler said, now we know why the FBI were so upset that Trump kept the CCTV footage. They don't want us watching them bending their fat asses over Trump's carpet organizing a display for the Associated Press.

BTW did your FBI guy (you didn't offer a link to) also tell you it was common to leak a picture like that to the AP?

The picture was from the court filing responding to Trump's special master request. You've presented NO EVIDENCE it was "leaked."

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

How is old Hunter doing these days?

I do know he got to go on vacation recently. Not bad for a kdfker crack head that launders money for dear ol' Dad.

Too bad you have NO EVIDENCE for ^this or YOU MIGHT be able bring Joe down. 

㊙️Pix from a laptop that were illegally leaked by the repair guy, will not stand up as evidence of drug use in court.

[Infidel Dog]

42 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Agents do that all the time!

 

Sure...

Because a cop's drug bust is exactly the same thing as selected, allegedly classified documents strewn over the ex President's office floor with white paper redactions hastily Mickey Moused over bits they didn't want us to see.

Give us a break. We're not all trained to ignore the obvious like some of you seem to be. The DOJ had the FBI display what they wanted to get out and they had it planned from the break-in.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Sure...

Because a cop's drug bust is exactly the same thing as selected, allegedly classified documents strewn over the ex President's office floor with white paper redactions hastily Mickey Moused over bits they didn't want us to see.

Give us a break. We're not all trained to ignore the obvious like some of you seem to be. The DOJ had the FBI display what they wanted to get out and they had it planned from the break-in.

What is OBVIOUS is that those STOLEN documents were found improperly stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Also obvious is that NO "break in" was required, since the SS let them in. Quite possible that it was the SS which reported the crimes, too since they are Federal LEO.

Your training wrt obvious was a bust.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What is OBVIOUS is that those STOLEN documents were found improperly stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Stolen? Why did it take them so long, then. They had the subpoena for a week. Even if you have an excuse for the 18 months Trump had the documents why would they wait a week to serve the subpoena?

Improperly stored? Trump has a secret service detail protecting his residence. He put a special FBI approved lock on the storage storage room at their request.

Or are you suggesting Trump Mickey Moused those white paper redaction sheets over the documents and spread them across his floor?

You're ridiculous.

[Infidel Dog]

Basically all the FBI did was feed out another press release to the compliant media to be gobbled up by their gullibles:

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Stolen? Why did it take them so long, then. They had the subpoena for a week. Even if you have an excuse for the 18 months Trump had the documents why would they wait a week to serve the subpoena?

Improperly stored? Trump has a secret service detail protecting his residence. He put a special FBI approved lock on the storage storage room at their request.

Or are you suggesting Trump Mickey Moused those white paper redaction sheets over the documents and spread them across his floor?

You're ridiculous.

It is YOUR strawman which is ridiculous. Even Fox knows that. Check out the Chiron.

Yes he put a lock on the storage room months later, but they also found documents in his desk drawers.

Edited September 5, 2022 by robosmith

[herbie]

On 9/3/2022 at 2:10 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

they don't need authorization to declassify

they are the POTUS

they can authorize the declassification themselves

and don't have to do it in writing

The Divine Right of POTUSes?

The only form of 'government' you seem to be able to imagine.

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is YOUR strawman which is ridiculous. Even Fox knows that. Check out the Chiron.

I don't need a chyron to know that's a staged photograph put aside to be fed out to the public one way or another.

It's looking a lot like tainted evidence now too if they ever plan to take something to trial. 

[Infidel Dog]

As to a strawman...

That's another one I think Progs are hoping to redefine. I'm not sure what they're hoping to have it mean though.

As it is...

I think you're maybe talking about my brief mention of the term "leak." I've also used the term fed. Those are rhetorical devices. More like hyperbole. A Strawman would be if you took that small mention aside and tried to make the whole discussion about the technical veracity of such a thing.

You know? Like what you just did.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

As to a strawman...

That another one I think Progs are hoping to redefine. I'm not sure what they're hoping to have it mean though.

As it is...

I think you're maybe talking about my brief mention of the term "leak." I've also use the term fed. Those are rhetorical devices. More like hyperbole. A Strawman would be if you took that small mention aside and tried to make the whole discussion about the technical veracity of such a thing.

You know? Like what you just did.

Your strawman is asking a question, assuming an affirmative answer, and then calling your assumed answer ridiculous.

The answer to your question is NO. OBVIOUSLY there was classified info that was REDACTED. You really don't understand that?

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Or are you suggesting Trump Mickey Moused those white paper redaction sheets over the documents and spread them across his floor?

You're ridiculous.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your strawman is asking a question, assuming an affirmative answer, and then calling your assumed answer ridiculous.

First of all if that was what happened it wouldn't be a strawman.

There were three questions on allegations you made. None of them concerned the term "leak' which is what you took off in a desperate attempt to divert from the topic by building an actual strawman argument about whether or not it was an actual leak. 

And now you seem to want to divert to a strawman argument about strawmen. Back on topic, please

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Stolen? Why did it take them so long, then. They had the subpoena for a week. Even if you have an excuse for the 18 months Trump had the documents why would they wait a week to serve the subpoena?

Improperly stored? Trump has a secret service detail protecting his residence. He put a special FBI approved lock on the storage storage room at their request.

Or are you suggesting Trump Mickey Moused those white paper redaction sheets over the documents and spread them across his floor?

You're ridiculous.

The Secret Service protects TRUMP, not the hotel he lives in. Trump was in New York at the time, along with his Secret Service detail. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

The Divine Right of POTUSes?

The only form of 'government' you seem to be able to imagine.

it's a well known presidential power

that you want to pretend the POTUS doesn't have

because you want this to be the end of Trump

wishful thinking is a helluva drug

[Yzermandius19]

Biden ordered the Mar-A-Lago raid and has been lying about it the whole time

just give him rope and he'll hang himself