'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[BeaverFever]

On 8/31/2022 at 8:48 AM, Nationalist said:

That's BS and anyone whose brain doesn't rattle knows it.

You tweenkies think you got away with this. You didn't...and when karma comes back to level things out...I expect you'll be screaming at the moon again.

Only a certified kook would believe Trump’s obviously made-up zero-evidence Big Lie. Stop being such a mindless puppet. 

[Yzermandius19]

19 hours ago, Rebound said:

Ahh… the old “Whataboutism” trick!

Well, all I can say is that Trump ran for President stating that careless possession of classified information is “the worst possible crime,” and that he would put Clinton in jail over it. He appointed the AG and FBI Director and if they could find a reason to prosecute her, they should have. Trump appointed the current FBI Director, who signed off on the Mar-a-Lago search. 
 

So the net-net is simple: Trump is foolish and he is criminal. All he had to do is comply with the many requests to return the documents and it probably would have been no different than the Hillary Clinton case.  The search warrant is Trump’s fault and the reason we know about is because Trump chose to publicize it. For all we know, the FBI might have been happy to just execute the warrant, get the stuff and leave it at that. 

no evidence of criminality whatsoever

what Clinton did was far worse

[Yzermandius19]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you didn't hear about the Republican lead Senate Intelligence committee that concluded Manafort was sharing private polling data with the Russian agent Kilimnik?

Of course they needed that info to optimally target their bots and trolls on Facebook. All traced back to the Internet Research Agency; members of which were indicted by Mueller.

That was an ILLEGAL foreign government campaign contribution and collusion between Trump's campaign manager and Russians. Tip of the iceberg. Then there was Trump EXPLOITING Russian STOLEN DNC emails for his campaign.

All super innocent, right?

ZOMG Manafort gave polling data and Trump used leaked emails to his advantage

that's not illegal, not even close

[Yzermandius19]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Like who and what did they "take"?

 

Unlike Trump's documents (see published pictures), those emails were NOT MARKED CLASSIFIED. Most were retroactively classified WELL AFTER they were sent over the State Dept NIPRnet (Internet) TO Hillary.

No evidence they were illegally copied from the SIPRnet to the NIPRnet servers as would have been NECESSARY if they were already classified.

On top of that, Hillary cooperated with the investigation, unlike Trump who lied that all the materials were turned over
 

Just the dozens of documents MARKED Top Secret SCI recovered from Mar-a-Lago and the false affidavit that all had been turned over IN JUNE.
 

every President takes documents, it's not a crime

many of Clinton's emails were marked classified, at the time, not just retroactively, stop lying

as POTUS Trump had the power to declassify those documents he took

and it will be extremely hard indeed, for anyone to prove he didn't do that

how they are labeled isn't relevant

Edited September 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Only a certified kook would believe Trump’s obviously made-up zero-evidence Big Lie. Stop being such a mindless puppet. 

Lol...just keep your cryin' towel and knee pads handy. 

We'll keep the coals burning...so we can rake the democrats over them in public.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

ZOMG Manafort gave polling data and Trump used leaked emails to his advantage

that's not illegal, not even close

It is ILLEGAL to solicit/accept campaign contributions from foreigners. Esp foreign governments.

IF you have a law degree, I suggest you demand a refund cause you didn't learn anything.

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

every President takes documents, it's not a crime

And yet you CANNOT name one OTHER.

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many of Clinton's emails were marked classified, at the time, not just retroactively, stop lying

None of them were marked classified according to requirements. "Portion markings" do NOT conform to the requirements for marking classified information, and those schedule entries were declassified AFTER the meetings.

Fact check

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Update, July 7: Comey told Congress that three emails sent and received by Clinton had “portion markings” — a letter “C” in the body of the emails — indicating the presence of classified information. The State Department said it believes that at least two of the emails were marked in error. We have written a separate story that provides more details.

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as POTUS Trump had the power to declassify those documents he took

and it will be extremely hard indeed, for anyone to prove he didn't do that

'Ludicrous.' 'Ridiculous.' 'A complete fiction.': Former Trump officials say his claim of 'standing order' to declassify is nonsense

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how they are labeled isn't relevant

It is COMPLETELY relevant to intent. If they are not marked (like Trump's were), there is no evidence to the observer they are classified. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no evidence of criminality whatsoever

what Clinton did was far worse

Not one bit of evidence to believe ^this opinion. Trump's documents were MARKED according to requirements and Hillary's WERE NOT.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

ZOMG Manafort gave polling data and Trump used leaked emails to his advantage

that's not illegal, not even close

FEC says it is illegal

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Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures(including independent expenditures) and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any federal, state or local election.

 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Rebound said:

And we were just supposed to figure out that a thread about serving a search warrant on Trump magically became a thread about convicted felon Roger Stone.

No you were supposed to read my post before you replied to it, and you should have noticed that the thread is about another example of FBI fraud and malfeasance.

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, robosmith said:

The usual Republican Congressmen and Fox News Hosts & Guests. Almost all of them were making up lies about FBI agents planting evidence, and it just got more outlandish from there and of course no evidence for any of it.

None of the contents of super secret classified documents will ever be made public. That is the whole purpose of classification.

NUCLEAR SECRETS!!!!! OOOOOHHHHH!!!

A leaked photo of a bunch of documents spread out on the floor with "classified" on the front, even though they may have been declassified by Trump, as he was the ultimate authority in the entire country.

But hey, those Fox reporters are sure unprofessional ?

 

Get your head out of your ass robo. 

The bottom line is that once again the FBI leaked some details in a way that looked bad for the Republicans, but when the shoe is on the other foot and it's the Dems under the microscope, they lie and say that "everything is Russian disinformation".

If  you can't acknowledge the serious pattern of lies, leaks and crimes from the FBI over the past few years you're just a hypocrite and a fool. 

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

every President takes documents, it's not a crime

many of Clinton's emails were marked classified, at the time, not just retroactively, stop lying

as POTUS Trump had the power to declassify those documents he took

and it will be extremely hard indeed, for anyone to prove he didn't do that

how they are labeled isn't relevant

He has to prove he did. There is a process to declassifying documents and there has to be a paper trail. 

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no evidence of criminality whatsoever

what Clinton did was far worse

The evidence which the FBI gathered is evidence of several crimes.  Remember when you VOTED for a guy who said that mishandling our nation’s secrets was “the worst crime”?  
 

And now you’re like, “What crime?”

We get the nonsense: It’s a crime if a Democrat does it, but not if a Republican does it.  What a joke. 

[DogOnPorch]

This is all Democrat nonsense as the POTUS is C-in-C.

It's not as if some part of the deep state decides what can and can not be seen or held by the POTUS. The President says that they're declassified...that's all there is to it. Obama...Bush...Trump...all of them.

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

This is all Democrat nonsense as the POTUS is C-in-C.

It's not as if some part of the deep state decides what can and can not be seen or held by the POTUS. The President says that they're declassified...that's all there is to it. Obama...Bush...Trump...all of them.

In your dreams. They can't declassify documents after they leave office.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

NUCLEAR SECRETS!!!!! OOOOOHHHHH!!!

The only thing more threatening to US lives than nuclear secrets is the identities of spies working for US.

 

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A leaked photo of a bunch of documents spread out on the floor with "classified" on the front, even though they may have been declassified by Trump, as he was the ultimate authority in the entire country.

It wasn't "LEAKED." It was from a legal filing the judge required to respond to Trump's "Special Master" request.

See previous post with EVIDENCE that Trump LIED when he claimed there was a "standing order" to declassify.

 

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But hey, those Fox reporters are sure unprofessional ?

Agreed. AND the Republican Congressmen that I also mentioned. Randstander had some cogent QUESTIONS.

"How do we know.....?" We KNOW Trump is a liar. YOU will find out at his trial.

 

 

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Get your head out of your ass robo. 

I'm the one POSTING EVIDENCE here. Haven't seen ANY from you.

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The bottom line is that once again the FBI leaked some details in a way that looked bad for the Republicans, but when the shoe is on the other foot and it's the Dems under the microscope, they lie and say that "everything is Russian disinformation".

If  you can't acknowledge the serious pattern of lies, leaks and crimes from the FBI over the past few years you're just a hypocrite and a fool. 

Hunter Biden does not work for the US government and Russia has perpetuated A LOT of disinformation.

Ever heard of the Internet Research Agency? Do you believe Putin?

 

[Rebound]

35 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

This is all Democrat nonsense as the POTUS is C-in-C.

It's not as if some part of the deep state decides what can and can not be seen or held by the POTUS. The President says that they're declassified...that's all there is to it. Obama...Bush...Trump...all of them.

Please tell us which Federal law says that. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

He has to prove he did. There is a process to declassifying documents and there has to be a paper trail. 

no he doesn't

he doesn't need to fill out paperwork to declassify it at all

they have to prove he didn't

Edited September 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

36 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no he doesn't

he doesn't need to fill out paperwork to declassify it at all

they have to prove he didn't

The department involved will have a record of any declassification. How the hell can anyone know if something has been  declassified and OK to circulate if there is no record of it.  Why would anyone in their right mind release a secret document if they didn't have written authorization to do so? You guys are living in some kind of cloud cuckoo universe.

Edited September 3, 2022 by Aristides

[Rebound]

53 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no he doesn't

he doesn't need to fill out paperwork to declassify it at all

they have to prove he didn't

That is absolutely true… according to the law which you made up in your head!   But you cannot cite any actual Federal law that says so.
 

CONGRESS passes laws. They are written down in Federal code. There is no Federal Law that says the President is exempt from espionage laws.  In fact, there is a Federal law which is SPECIFIC about all presidential records, classified or not. It’s called the Presidential Records Act.  

Also, if these records really were declassified, why can’t we read them? Anything not classified is public information.  Has to be. 

Edited September 3, 2022 by Rebound

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The department involved will have a record of any declassification. How the hell can anyone know if something has been  declassified and OK to circulate if there is no record of it.  Why would anyone in their right mind release a secret document if they didn't have written authorization to do so? You guys are living in some kind of cloud cuckoo universe.

AKA, believing Trump's lies. His lawyer Bobb is going to be in a heap of trouble for doing that when she signed the affidavit declaring ALL the documents had been turned over based only on Trump lying to her about that.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

The evidence which the FBI gathered is evidence of several crimes.  

Cite.

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The department involved will have a record of any declassification. How the hell can anyone know if something has been  declassified and OK to circulate if there is no record of it.  Why would anyone in their right mind release a secret document if they didn't have written authorization to do so? You guys are living in some kind of cloud cuckoo universe.

they don't need authorization to declassify

they are the POTUS

they can authorize the declassification themselves

and don't have to do it in writing

it's a well known presidential power

Edited September 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

48 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they don't need authorization to declassify

they are the POTUS

they can authorize the declassification themselves

and don't have to do it in writing

it's a well known presidential power

There has to be a record of doing it dumbass. If you were a working in a security agency would you just release a secret document to the public on someones verbal say with no record of you being instructed to do so? What kind of idiot would do something that stupid?

[robosmith]

52 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they don't need authorization to declassify

they are the POTUS

they can authorize the declassification themselves

and don't have to do it in writing

it's a well known presidential power

borderline incoherent

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Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.

“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists.

He added: “It’s a logical mess. The system is not meant to be deployed in such an arbitrary fashion.”