'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Respect for law enforcement,

Is respect for the FBI warranted anymore, honestly? 

Can you make the case that the FBI doesn't look like biased political actors in the Russian collusion debacle, the Whitmer kidnapping debacle, and the laptop debacle? 

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institutions like the press,

The MSM is a complete farce. CNN and MSNBC don't even pretend to be news outlets anymore. 

Their coverage of covid from beginning to end is so bad that if someone wrote a novel and made the press out to be so pathetic the novel would be rejected as being patently ridiculous, yet here we are in "Truth is stranger than fiction" land again. 

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the judiciary

The judiciary isn't so much under attack by conservatives, but leftists don't need judges because they have DAs who reject the rule of law for them.

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and elections is under fire by the new left AND the new right.

The Dems and their media flunkies pretended that the 2016 election was illegitimate for 4 years, even though they were the only ones caught cheating on it, and the Dems even got the FBI to lie and commit crimes for them in an attempt to make their accusations look somewhat legitimate. The FBI and the MSM even staged a "Russian Collusion pre-dawn raid" to make it look dangerous and official. OOH, so legit!!!!

Then on election night 2020 the Dems did a miraculous 180 and became believers in the absolute integrity of elections, and the next thing you know hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots suddenly rushed in and gave Biden the presidency... 

Anyone with any sense at all would be skeptical of that. 

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. Is respect for the FBI warranted anymore, honestly? 

2. Can you make the case that the FBI doesn't look like biased political actors in the Russian collusion debacle, the Whitmer kidnapping debacle, and the laptop debacle? 

3. The MSM is a complete farce. CNN and MSNBC don't even pretend to be news outlets anymore. 

 4. The judiciary isn't so much under attack by conservatives, but leftists don't need judges because they have DAs who reject the rule of law for them.

5. Then on election night 2020 the Dems did a miraculous 180 and became believers in the absolute integrity of elections, and the next thing you know hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots suddenly rushed in and gave Biden the presidency... 

6. Anyone with any sense at all would be skeptical of that. 

1. It's an old institution.

2. Or when they investigated Hillary Clinton during the campaign and knocked her down in the polls as Democrats say?  You either believe in the institution or you don't.  This new angle to foment doubt is what DoP is talking about.

3. FOX is MSM and biased as well.  Lately they're biased against Trump.  The Press is one of the olds 

4. They attacked judges who ruled on the 2020 election claims as being biased.

5. Elections are old culture.

6. You need to respect that we are allowed to disagree with you.  There's no basis to believe in systemic fraud.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's an old institution.

So? You're calling out conservatives people for calling out the FBI for their actual, serious problems.

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2. Or when they investigated Hillary Clinton during the campaign and knocked her down in the polls as Democrats say?  You either believe in the institution or you don't.  This new angle to foment doubt is what DoP is talking about.

She was under investigation for that for a long time. Comey did everything in his power to protect Hillary Clinton. 

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3. FOX is MSM and biased as well.  Lately they're biased against Trump.  The Press is one of the olds 

Fox is biased, but not to the point of blatantly lying 24/7 like CNN, MSNBC, CTV, CBC and Global.

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4. They attacked judges who ruled on the 2020 election claims as being biased.

Sure. I'll give you 1 point.

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5. Elections are old culture.

Yet actually rife with cheating. Hillary did it many times, including collusion with Russians. 

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6. You need to respect that we are allowed to disagree with you.  There's no basis to believe in systemic fraud.

You're allowed to disagree. I don't even think there's "systemic fraud." But all they needed was a truckload of mail-in votes in 4 states to swing the election.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. So? You're calling out conservatives people for calling out the FBI for their actual, serious problems.

2. Fox is biased, but not to the point of blatantly lying 24/7 like CNN, MSNBC, CTV, CBC and Global.

3. Sure. I'll give you 1 point.

4. You're allowed to disagree. I don't even think there's "systemic fraud." But all they needed was a truckload of mail-in votes in 4 states to swing the election.

1. Not at all.  I'm responding to DoP's interesting context of how radicalism attacks institutions.  "Conservatives" are not radicals.  Plenty of Conservatives will AT LEAST reserve judgment on the actions of law enforcement.

2. I am thinking that some lies are ok with you and some not, if you accept "bias" and yet call those with an opposite bias "liars".

3. More than I expected to get - THANKS !

4.  Interesting.  I can accept that smaller scale could have been effective in closer races, but the degree of coordination needed to ensure victory would still be so large as to leave evidence.  But that's neither here nor there on my point here, which is to reinforce DoP's post.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Not at all.  I'm responding to DoP's interesting context of how radicalism attacks institutions.  "Conservatives" are not radicals.  Plenty of Conservatives will AT LEAST reserve judgment on the actions of law enforcement.

Fine. 

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2. I am thinking that some lies are ok with you and some not, if you accept "bias" and yet call those with an opposite bias "liars".

No. If I saw a lie on Fox and then went around repeating it, that'd be on me. I'd end up looking like an ass just because of something they said. I wouldn't be down with that at all.

I trusted CNN as a news source until the day that I witnessed them opting to describe Michael Brown to the world instead of showing the video of his violent robbery in the moments before he got shot. 

I have no undue loyalty to Fox News. They're the best mainstream news organization in North America by far. 

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3. More than I expected to get - THANKS !

Cheers!

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4.  Interesting.  I can accept that smaller scale could have been effective in closer races, but the degree of coordination needed to ensure victory would still be so large as to leave evidence.  But that's neither here nor there on my point here, which is to reinforce DoP's post.

All presidential races are close. The Dems are guaranteed NY and Cali, which is 84 electoral college votes. That's almost 1/3 of the way to victory and there are still 48/50 states left. 

In every election there will be 3 or 4 swing states which could go either way. If you just have a single truckload full of "mail-in ballots", which can come in up to 4 days after the election, you're golden in those states. 

In 2020 there were 63 electoral college votes in Az, Mich, Georgia and Penn. 4 truckloads of ballots was gonna be enough to get another those electoral college votes for the Dems. And those trucks came in, somehow. Whether or not you think those miracle votes were legit depends on whose side you're on.

84 + 63 = 147 votes of the 270 needed to win. They were over halfway with 44 of 50 states left to vote. 

 

If you live in a country where 4 truckloads of mail-in ballots can come in 4 days after the election and choose the next president, there's really no democracy. 

If mass mail-in balloting becomes a permanent thing, voter apathy will probably creep closer and closer to 0% every election. By 2048 there will probably be 110% voter turnout. Yay 'Murica!

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[Yzermandius19]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Fine. 

No. If I saw a lie on Fox and then went around repeating it, that'd be on me. I'd end up looking like an ass just because of something they said. I wouldn't be down with that at all.

I trusted CNN as a news source until the day that I witnessed them opting to describe Michael Brown to the world instead of showing the video of his violent robbery in the moments before he got shot. 

I have no undue loyalty to Fox News. They're the best mainstream news organization in North America by far. 

Cheers!

All presidential races are close. The Dems are guaranteed NY and Cali, which is 84 electoral college votes. That's almost 1/3 of the way to victory and there are still 48/50 states left. 

In every election there will be 3 or 4 swing states which could go either way. If you just have a single truckload full of "mail-in ballots", which can come in up to 4 days after the election, you're golden in those states. 

In 2020 there were 63 electoral college votes in Az, Mich, Georgia and Penn. 4 truckloads of ballots was gonna be enough to get another those electoral college votes for the Dems. And those trucks came in, somehow. Whether or not you think those miracle votes were legit depends on whose side you're on.

84 + 63 = 147 votes of the 270 needed to win. They were over halfway with 44 of 50 states left to vote. 

 

If you live in a country where 4 truckloads of mail-in ballots can come in 4 days after the election and choose the next president, there's really no democracy. 

If mass mail-in balloting becomes a permanent thing, voter apathy will probably creep closer and closer to 0% every election. By 2048 there will probably be 110% voter turnout. Yay 'Murica!

the mass mail-in balloting has already been rolled back in several of the swing states

it's not happening again

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. If you just have a single truckload full of "mail-in ballots", which can come in up to 4 days after the election, you're golden in those states. 

2. In 2020 there were 63 electoral college votes in Az, Mich, Georgia and Penn. 4 truckloads of ballots was gonna be enough to get another those electoral college votes for the Dems.

3. And those trucks came in, somehow. Whether or not they were legit depends on whose side you're on.

4. If mass mail-in balloting becomes a permanent thing, voter apathy will probably creep closer and closer to 0% every election. By 2048 there will probably be 110% voter turnout. Yay 'Murica!

1. Sure, but those have to be scrutinized, and need to be attached to plausible voters.  You need to get them into multiple districts and therefore have poll managers in many different areas onboard.  Without knowing all the details of how voting was it sounds easy but the more you know of the process the trickier it is.

And the conspiracy has to be perfect because one error and there is hell to pay.

2.  See #1.  You would need to be strategic about any plan to drop fake votes in.

3. We heard this in Michigan and yet they didn't have enough evidence to explain what the problem was.  In some areas trucks came in and Trump still won.  There wasn't anything specifically damning about late votes coming in from what I read of the case.

4. Aren't you worried about leaders who lose the popular vote winning over and over again winning ?  Isn't that more of a concern ?  There are a few examples here - some Liberal, some Republican.

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Sure, but those have to be scrutinized, and need to be attached to plausible voters.  You need to get them into multiple districts and therefore have poll managers in many different areas onboard.  Without knowing all the details of how voting was it sounds easy but the more you know of the process the trickier it is.

And the conspiracy has to be perfect because one error and there is hell to pay.

2.  See #1.  You would need to be strategic about any plan to drop fake votes in.

3. We heard this in Michigan and yet they didn't have enough evidence to explain what the problem was.  In some areas trucks came in and Trump still won.  There wasn't anything specifically damning about late votes coming in from what I read of the case.

All that they need to know is who voted, make duplicates of those mail-in ballots, and have them arrive in a truck. 

Signatures don't have to match anything. The down-ballots don't have to be filled out. 

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4. Aren't you worried about leaders who lose the popular vote winning over and over again winning ?  Isn't that more of a concern ?  There are a few examples here - some Liberal, some Republican.

No, not at all. That's how the electoral college is supposed to work. 

It was designed so that the gov't had to represent the whole country, not just Hartford, Boston, Philadelphia and a couple of other cities. 

Eventually the country would break apart if that wasn't the case.

Canada's election is decided in the GTA and Mtl area. The rest of the country can suck it. That's why separatists are so prominent in the west. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. All that they need to know is who voted, make duplicates of those mail-in ballots, and have them arrive in a truck. 

2. Signatures don't have to match anything. The down-ballots don't have to be filled out. 

3. No, not at all. That's how the electoral college is supposed to work.  It was designed so that the gov't had to represent the whole country, not just Hartford, Boston, Philadelphia and a couple of other cities.   Eventually the country would break apart if that wasn't the case.

4. Canada's election is decided in the GTA and Mtl area. The rest of the country can suck it. That's why separatists are so prominent in the west. 

 

1. Sort of, but they also can only manage to do a few per poll.  They can't all show up in one place right ?  And they have to add Republican votes too.  And there will be other candidates on those same ballots. 

2. Maybe but to leave that stuff off is a risk if somebody audits the bag of ballots.  This has happened in the past, famously in a Senatorial primary featuring LBJ.

3. But...  do you really think pointing to the system and saying "that's how it works" addresses your point of voter apathy ?  It sure doesn't in Canada where Trudeau loses the popular vote and the west is discouraged.   Right ?   I find it hard to connect someone called WestCanMan defending the lack of regional representation in a central government but ok.

4. Well yeah... I think that's my point also.  I think this is more of a concern than mail-in ballots also.

 

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. But...  do you really think pointing to the system and saying "that's how it works" addresses your point of voter apathy ?  It sure doesn't in Canada where Trudeau loses the popular vote and the west is discouraged.   Right ?   I find it hard to connect someone called WestCanMan defending the lack of regional representation in a central government but ok.

Voter apathy is awesome. People who aren't informed shouldn't vote.

I just meant that voter apathy will appear to go down as the two parties start snapping up the names of people who didn't vote, and sending in mail-ins in their name.

Right now one of the problems that we have here is voter representation still isn't fair. Last time I looked there were far more Albertans per MP as there were maritimers. Maritimers' votes were worth about 1.6 Alberta votes. 

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I think this is more of a concern than mail-in ballots also.

I think that mail-in ballots are the easiest way, by far, to commit mass election fraud. 

It's hard to get people with fake ID to go to the polls and cast fake ballots, they each risk getting arrested for multiple felonies at the same time, but when ballots can come in by mail, a few days after the election, and there aren't even any signatures that have to match, that's easy pickins for fraudsters.

The notion that the majority of people can't get off their asses when they have 12-16 hrs to vote is complete bullshit. If people live in inner cities and their voting lines are long that's just because the people in their electoral constituency can't get their own shit together. Too bad. 

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1.  . Last time I looked there were far more Albertans per MP as there were maritimers. Maritimers' votes were worth about 1.6 Alberta votes. 

2. I think that mail-in ballots are the easiest way, by far, to commit mass election fraud. 

3. It's hard to get people with fake ID to go to the polls and cast fake ballots, they each risk getting arrested for multiple felonies at the same time, but when ballots can come in by mail, a few days after the election, and there aren't even any signatures that have to match, that's easy pickins for fraudsters.

4. The notion that the majority of people can't get off their asses when they have 12-16 hrs to vote is complete bullshit.  

1. Check it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canadian_federal_ridings If you sort by population Ontario seems to be heavily under represented.

2. Perhaps but if it's still difficult to do then you have to weigh out risk/reward.  Ultimately how much mail fraud happens, historically is key to that question.

3.  True enough.

4. Lots of people use dropoff and mail-in.  I think Trump himself has used it.  It's convenient I suppose: https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/01/15/fact-check-did-trump-vote-mail-2020-election/6516078001/

[robosmith]

On 8/8/2022 at 5:20 PM, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-mar-a-lago-home-florida-siege-fbi-agents

Sad that we live next to a disgraceful nation

Republicans, Once Outraged by Mar-a-Lago Search, Become Quieter as Details Emerge

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In the minutes and hours after the FBI’s search of former President Donald J. Trump’s residence in Florida this month, his supporters did not hesitate to denounce what they saw as a blatant abuse of power and outrageous politicization of the Justice Department.

But with the release of a redacted affidavit detailing the justification for the search, the former president’s allies were largely silent, a potentially telling reaction with ramifications for his political future.

Turns out the blustering outrage on Fox was ALL LIES.

In FACT, after Trump's lawyer submitted an affidavit declaring all classified documents had been turned over in June, the FBI recovered twice as many additional documents LAST MONTH.

That is ILLEGAL retention of government propety.

 

[Rebound]

On 8/31/2022 at 10:09 PM, WestCanMan said:

Is respect for the FBI warranted anymore, honestly? 

The FBI and the MSM even staged a "Russian Collusion pre-dawn raid" to make it look dangerous and official. OOH, so legit!!!!

Then on election night 2020 the Dems did a miraculous 180 and became believers in the absolute integrity of elections, and the next thing you know hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots suddenly rushed in and gave Biden the presidency... 

I think that if you stuck to facts instead of inflammatory exaggerations, maybe you wouldn’t feel so upset. 
 

You said the FBI and MSM conducted a pre-dawn raid on Mar-a-Lago. None of that is true. The FBI executed a search warrant at 9:00am.  Where I live, the sun is up by 9:00am.  The FBI did not “raid” Mar-a-Lago. They knocked on the door, served the warrant, and conducted a search.

The MSM was informed of the search by Mr. Trump. The FBI did not announce the search; it was Mr. Trump who did.  
 

Why did the FBI search for the documents? It’s because the National Archives ASKED, over and over, for the return of government documents, which were not Mr. Trump’s property whether they were classified or not.  They got a court order for the documents to be returned, then they traveled at taxpayer expense to retrieve the documents.  Mind you… that’s all special treatment.  When they got the documents, they found that many of them were highly classified, and per Federal law, they were obligated to report this to law enforcement. 
 

The agents contacted Trump and returned to Mar-a-Lago last June to pick up the last remaining documents… which should have never been at Mar-a-Lago and which should have already been returned to the Archives.  At this time, agents obtained more classified documents, AND received a sworn affidavit that all records had been returned. 
 

FBI then learned that classified material was still present at Mar-a-Lago.  Perhaps a Secret Service agent reported this; we don’t know who.  But based on the evidence, they obtained a search warrant, they didn’t raw their guns, then didn’t burst in, they didn’t toss smoke grenades or flash bangs, no, sorry, they didn’t raid the place, they simply showed up, served the warrant, and, as per the US Constitution, searched the stated place for the things they believed to find… which they found.  
 

There is no US law that says Donald Trump or former Presidents are allowed to break laws.  
 

What’s odd here is that the Feds had not charged him despite the obvious commission of crime.  They just wanted the stuff back.  They asked. They asked again. Then they showed up. Then they were lied to. Then they searched, and it was Trump who announced that he’d been searched.  We don’t know if the DOJ will charge Trump in this, but Trump has confessed to having classified information and he’s been the one publicizing this case, not the DOJ. It’s almost as if he wants to be prosecuted for it.

[Yzermandius19]

45 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I think that if you stuck to facts instead of inflammatory exaggerations, maybe you wouldn’t feel so upset. 
 

You said the FBI and MSM conducted a pre-dawn raid on Mar-a-Lago. None of that is true. The FBI executed a search warrant at 9:00am.  Where I live, the sun is up by 9:00am.  The FBI did not “raid” Mar-a-Lago. They knocked on the door, served the warrant, and conducted a search.

The MSM was informed of the search by Mr. Trump. The FBI did not announce the search; it was Mr. Trump who did.  
 

Why did the FBI search for the documents? It’s because the National Archives ASKED, over and over, for the return of government documents, which were not Mr. Trump’s property whether they were classified or not.  They got a court order for the documents to be returned, then they traveled at taxpayer expense to retrieve the documents.  Mind you… that’s all special treatment.  When they got the documents, they found that many of them were highly classified, and per Federal law, they were obligated to report this to law enforcement. 
 

The agents contacted Trump and returned to Mar-a-Lago last June to pick up the last remaining documents… which should have never been at Mar-a-Lago and which should have already been returned to the Archives.  At this time, agents obtained more classified documents, AND received a sworn affidavit that all records had been returned. 
 

FBI then learned that classified material was still present at Mar-a-Lago.  Perhaps a Secret Service agent reported this; we don’t know who.  But based on the evidence, they obtained a search warrant, they didn’t raw their guns, then didn’t burst in, they didn’t toss smoke grenades or flash bangs, no, sorry, they didn’t raid the place, they simply showed up, served the warrant, and, as per the US Constitution, searched the stated place for the things they believed to find… which they found.  
 

There is no US law that says Donald Trump or former Presidents are allowed to break laws.  
 

What’s odd here is that the Feds had not charged him despite the obvious commission of crime.  They just wanted the stuff back.  They asked. They asked again. Then they showed up. Then they were lied to. Then they searched, and it was Trump who announced that he’d been searched.  We don’t know if the DOJ will charge Trump in this, but Trump has confessed to having classified information and he’s been the one publicizing this case, not the DOJ. It’s almost as if he wants to be prosecuted for it.

plenty of other Presidents have taken documents with them

Hillary Clinton had classified materials on her server that she didn't have the power to declassify 

and the FBI didn't come and seize them with a search warrant

obvious double standard is obvious

the FBI's bias is as clear as day to anyone without massive Trump Derangement Syndrome blinders on

there is no evidence of any crime by Trump

Edited September 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Rebound]

14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

plenty of other Presidents have taken documents with them

Hillary Clinton had classified materials on her server that she didn't have the power to declassify 

and the FBI didn't come and seize them with a search warrant

obvious double standard is obvious

the FBI's bias is as clear as day to anyone without massive Trump Derangement Syndrome blinders on

there is no evidence of any crime by Trump

Ahh… the old “Whataboutism” trick!

Well, all I can say is that Trump ran for President stating that careless possession of classified information is “the worst possible crime,” and that he would put Clinton in jail over it. He appointed the AG and FBI Director and if they could find a reason to prosecute her, they should have. Trump appointed the current FBI Director, who signed off on the Mar-a-Lago search. 
 

So the net-net is simple: Trump is foolish and he is criminal. All he had to do is comply with the many requests to return the documents and it probably would have been no different than the Hillary Clinton case.  The search warrant is Trump’s fault and the reason we know about is because Trump chose to publicize it. For all we know, the FBI might have been happy to just execute the warrant, get the stuff and leave it at that. 

[Luz P.]

“Murica” became a banana republic the moment a narcissist with a populist rhetoric reminiscent of Maduro in Venezuela entered the political stage. The fact that MAGA folks are unable to see Trump for what he really is, is astounding. He has a solid cult following of people who have given up on any semblance of critical thinking.

Up in arms because of what the FBI did in Maralago?  The CIA has been doing similar overseas for decades! The only difference is that the veil has been lifted and some Americans are finally aware of the stench coming out from within the USA.  

And let’s not forget Biden is a disgrace and Democrats are way over their head with no viable options… poor Murica!

But in all fairness, the only country able to bring down the USA is the USA… and they’re well on their way to doing just that.   Cheers!

 

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

Up in arms because of what the FBI did in Maralago?  The CIA has been doing similar overseas for decades! The only difference is that the veil has been lifted and some Americans are finally aware of the stench coming out from within the USA.  

Are you saying there was something nefarious about the FBI warrant served at Trump’s home?

[Rebound]

29 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

 

And let’s not forget Biden is a disgrace and Democrats are way over their head with no viable options… poor Murica!

 

President Biden is not a disgrace. His detractors are.  

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

plenty of other Presidents have taken documents with them

Like who and what did they "take"?

 

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Hillary Clinton had classified materials on her server that she didn't have the power to declassify 

and the FBI didn't come and seize them with a search warrant

obvious double standard is obvious

 

Unlike Trump's documents (see published pictures), those emails were NOT MARKED CLASSIFIED. Most were retroactively classified WELL AFTER they were sent over the State Dept NIPRnet (Internet) TO Hillary.

No evidence they were illegally copied from the SIPRnet to the NIPRnet servers as would have been NECESSARY if they were already classified.

On top of that, Hillary cooperated with the investigation, unlike Trump who lied that all the materials were turned over
 

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the FBI's bias is as clear as day to anyone without massive Trump Derangement Syndrome blinders on

there is no evidence of any crime by Trump

 

Just the dozens of documents MARKED Top Secret SCI recovered from Mar-a-Lago and the false affidavit that all had been turned over IN JUNE.
 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

I think that if you stuck to facts instead of inflammatory exaggerations, maybe you wouldn’t feel so upset. 

I know that if you knew what you were talking about, your post wouldn't be so idiotic.

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You said the FBI and MSM conducted a pre-dawn raid on Mar-a-Lago. None of that is true. The FBI executed a search warrant at 9:00am.  Where I live, the sun is up by 9:00am.  The FBI did not “raid” Mar-a-Lago. They knocked on the door, served the warrant, and conducted a search.

I said "Russian collusion pre-dawn raid", it's right there in your quote, and it's 100% accurate, genius. The FBI had CNN tag along with them for a pre-dawn raid on Roger Stone's home. The FBI deemed it so dangerous that they needed to have a bunch of automatic weapons locked and loaded but they still had reporters there... hmmm. All for a smear campaign which the FBI knew to be meritless, and where they committed crimes in order to get warrants to spy on members of Trump's campaign.

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The MSM was informed of the search by Mr. Trump. The FBI did not announce the search; it was Mr. Trump who did.  

Nothing in the rest of your post was pertinent to anything that I said in my post. 

I'm not limiting my criticism of the FBI to their Russian collusion witch hunt at all. I wouldn't impugn the integrity of the FBI, formerly one of the world's most respected police forces, just for that one sad episode.

The FBI has outed themselves as political actors and the evidence is ubiquitous, overwhelming and incontrovertible. 

[West]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Republicans, Once Outraged by Mar-a-Lago Search, Become Quieter as Details Emerge

Turns out the blustering outrage on Fox was ALL LIES.

In FACT, after Trump's lawyer submitted an affidavit declaring all classified documents had been turned over in June, the FBI recovered twice as many additional documents LAST MONTH.

That is ILLEGAL retention of government propety.

 

Sounds like the "Russian collusion" nonsense again. Start with a baseless allegation then try and pin a process crime on someone. Much like they did in the Soviet Union

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I know that if you knew what you were talking about, your post wouldn't be so idiotic.

I said "Russian collusion pre-dawn raid", it's right there in your quote, and it's 100% accurate, genius. The FBI had CNN tag along with them for a pre-dawn raid on Roger Stone's home. The FBI deemed it so dangerous that they needed to have a bunch of automatic weapons locked and loaded but they still had reporters there... hmmm. All for a smear campaign which the FBI knew to be meritless, and where they committed crimes in order to get warrants to spy on members of Trump's campaign.

Nothing in the rest of your post was pertinent to anything that I said in my post. 

I'm not limiting my criticism of the FBI to their Russian collusion witch hunt at all. I wouldn't impugn the integrity of the FBI, formerly one of the world's most respected police forces, just for that one sad episode.

The FBI has outed themselves as political actors and the evidence is ubiquitous, overwhelming and incontrovertible. 

And we were just supposed to figure out that a thread about serving a search warrant on Trump magically became a thread about convicted felon Roger Stone.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Republicans, Once Outraged by Mar-a-Lago Search, Become Quieter as Details Emerge

Turns out the blustering outrage on Fox was ALL LIES.

Who is getting quieter as details emerge? Who is lying?

I haven't heard much talk of "nuclear secrets" lately, have you? 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Who is getting quieter as details emerge? Who is lying?

I haven't heard much talk of "nuclear secrets" lately, have you? 

The usual Republican Congressmen and Fox News Hosts & Guests. Almost all of them were making up lies about FBI agents planting evidence, and it just got more outlandish from there and of course no evidence for any of it.

None of the contents of super secret classified documents will ever be made public. That is the whole purpose of classification.

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1 hour ago, West said:

Sounds like the "Russian collusion" nonsense again. Start with a baseless allegation then try and pin a process crime on someone. Much like they did in the Soviet Union

So you didn't hear about the Republican lead Senate Intelligence committee that concluded Manafort was sharing private polling data with the Russian agent Kilimnik?

Of course they needed that info to optimally target their bots and trolls on Facebook. All traced back to the Internet Research Agency; members of which were indicted by Mueller.

That was an ILLEGAL foreign government campaign contribution and collusion between Trump's campaign manager and Russians. Tip of the iceberg. Then there was Trump EXPLOITING Russian STOLEN DNC emails for his campaign.

All super innocent, right?