Misinformation and hair-brained conspiracy theories have a price, Mr. Jones - $50M and more to come

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Q: Why the hell are you folks still carrying on about this?

the thought police are triggered by Alex Jones

they won't rest until he's canceled 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the thought police are triggered by Alex Jones

they won't rest until he's canceled 

You mean the Defamation is wrong police? 

Nothing Jones does can be realistically considered "thought". 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You mean the Defamation is wrong police? 

Nothing Jones does can be realistically considered "thought". 

OK O'Brien

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

You mean the Defamation is wrong police? 

Nothing Jones does can be realistically considered "thought". 

So what? So Alex Jones is a fool. There are a lot of fools on this planet. Do you spend hour after hour whining about each and every one of them? No because that would be silly...as is this.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So what? So Alex Jones is a fool. There are a lot of fools on this planet. Do you spend hour after hour whining about each and every one of them? No because that would be silly...as is this.

This one has a particularly large bully pulpit. 

And things said on said bully pulpit caused great harm to a group of people who sued for defamation. 

Jones admitted to lying. He's guilty.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

This one has a particularly large bully pulpit. 

And things said on said bully pulpit caused great harm to a group of people who sued for defamation. 

Jones admitted to lying. He's guilty.

Yes. He is guilty. And the more you re-hash this, the better for him and his loony following.

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. He is guilty. And the more you re-hash this, the better for him and his loony following.

I'm not re-hashing, I'm commenting on previously existing posts. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm not re-hashing, I'm commenting on previously existing posts. 

This thread is now 7 pages long and none of it has been worth a pinch of coon crap.

[Moonbox]

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This thread is now 7 pages long and none of it has been worth a pinch of coon crap.

If you thought so, you wouldn’t be here posting.  I don’t join the majority of threads because they’re some combination of boring, played or straight up stupid.  
 

The fact that Alex Jones’ doofus supporters are here trying to defend him is why the debate continues.  Alex Jones getting his due is a happy time for reasonable folk everywhere.  While you at least have the good sense to distance yourself from that twit, it seems like you’re uncomfortable with the fact that one of the conspiracy clown parade’s most outspoken leaders has egg on his face.  Hmmmm…
 

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Like you wouldn't destroy any Liberal or Democrat who lies like Jones does.

I’m against destroying people.  That’s your thing.  

[TreeBeard]

16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

y'all are the one's gloating about his punishment hurting him financially

I am putting it into context, it's a drop in the bucket

he barely notices

this is not some huge victory against him the way his haters want it to be

and that pisses them off

so I am rubbing it in

Did you believe his assertions that the Sandy Hook shooting was all fake?

[Boges]

55 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m against destroying people.  That’s your thing.  

I have not been participating since the beginning. 

I often feel this way about thread. I don't try to stop people from commenting though. I just stop commenting myself. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

If you thought so, you wouldn’t be here posting.  I don’t join the majority of threads because they’re some combination of boring, played or straight up stupid.  
 

The fact that Alex Jones’ doofus supporters are here trying to defend him is why the debate continues.  Alex Jones getting his due is a happy time for reasonable folk everywhere.  While you at least have the good sense to distance yourself from that twit, it seems like you’re uncomfortable with the fact that one of the conspiracy clown parade’s most outspoken leaders has egg on his face.  Hmmmm…
 

 

I don't think anyone is "defending" Jones. I think they're saying he should have the right to voice his opinion, no matter how distasteful. Apparently though, the law disagrees.

[dialamah]

36 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't think anyone is "defending" Jones. I think they're saying he should have the right to voice his opinion, no matter how distasteful. Apparently though, the law disagrees.

If I say to your friends and colleagues that you are a pedophile, destroy your reputation and cause you to lose.your job, can I use the defense that it's just my opinion and I should be allowed to express it, no matter how distasteful? 

Or should you have some recourse to defend yourself and to get some compensation for the harm done to you for my "opinion", aka lies.

The plaintiffs in this case proved to the jury that they suffered harm from Jones' expressed "opinion", therefore he'll have to pay compensation.

Incidentally, the law in Texas limits the amount of damages so Jones will likely have to pay much less than the jury determined was fair.

 

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The plaintiffs in this case proved to the jury that they suffered harm from Jones' expressed "opinion"

Just a small quibble that actually makes a huge difference….  It wasn’t his opinion, but the fact that he was intentionally lying about what happened and that is what caused the harm. 
 

If he had told the truth, and the truth had caused harm the exact same harm, he would have been completely in the clear.  

[dialamah]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

Just a small quibble that actually makes a huge difference….  It wasn’t his opinion, but the fact that he was intentionally lying about what happened and that is what caused the harm. 
 

If he had told the truth, and the truth had caused harm the exact same harm, he would have been completely in the clear.  

True; was just repeating the word "opinion" as used by the poster I was responding to.  In this usage "opinion" is the same as lies.

But perhaps my intent wasn't clear enough, so thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m against destroying people.  That’s your thing.  

You seem to have no problem with Jones destroying people.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I don't think anyone is "defending" Jones. I think they're saying he should have the right to voice his opinion, no matter how distasteful. Apparently though, the law disagrees.

He does have the right to voice his opinion but not to be immune from the damage it does to others. Liable laws are not new but you seem to be just discovering them.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Aristides said:

He does have the right to voice his opinion but not to be immune from the damage it does to others. Liable laws are not new but you seem to be just discovering them.

He would be immune if what he said were true.  

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

He would be immune if what he said were true.  

Yes he would. But it wasn't and he knew it.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You seem to have no problem with Jones destroying people.

I think his remarks were insensitive and hurtful.  Many people say hurtful and insensitive things.  It doesn’t mean they should pay the people they offended millions of dollars that they don’t have.  It’s another example of an over the top lawsuit reward.

Jones crossed the line.  These families suffered terribly.  For that Jones deserves to make a public mea culpa renouncing his denial.  The high monetary compensation isn’t right.  He didn’t kill or physically abuse anyone.  I think his conspiracy theory was misguided, but we need to ask ourselves what’s making people resort to these conjectures.  I think it’s a sense of powerlessness, cynicism about media, and the feeling of alienation from opaque authorities. 

[dialamah]

This will make some people laugh and others cry.  It's a bit long, but worth it, imo.

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

If I say to your friends and colleagues that you are a pedophile, destroy your reputation and cause you to lose.your job, can I use the defense that it's just my opinion and I should be allowed to express it, no matter how distasteful? 

Or should you have some recourse to defend yourself and to get some compensation for the harm done to you for my "opinion", aka lies.

The plaintiffs in this case proved to the jury that they suffered harm from Jones' expressed "opinion", therefore he'll have to pay compensation.

Incidentally, the law in Texas limits the amount of damages so Jones will likely have to pay much less than the jury determined was fair.

 

Oh hi Mah.

If your incorrect opinion causes financial and reputational damage, that's a tad different than hurt feelings.

However in this case the court did monetize the hurt feelings of the parents. I think this might be a first?

Be that as it may...his blathering cost him money this time.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

He does have the right to voice his opinion but not to be immune from the damage it does to others. Liable laws are not new but you seem to be just discovering them.

No. Just pointing out exactly what you just said.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think his remarks were insensitive and hurtful.  Many people say hurtful and insensitive things.  It doesn’t mean they should pay the people they offended millions of dollars that they don’t have.  It’s another example of an over the top lawsuit reward.

Jones crossed the line.  These families suffered terribly.  For that Jones deserves to make a public mea culpa renouncing his denial.  The high monetary compensation isn’t right.  He didn’t kill or physically abuse anyone.  I think his conspiracy theory was misguided, but we need to ask ourselves what’s making people resort to these conjectures.  I think it’s a sense of powerlessness, cynicism about media, and the feeling of alienation from opaque authorities. 

People got death threats, accosted in the street, had their homes and cars shot at. One woman served time for threatening Sandy Hook parents. All you think he should do is make one insincere apology and then go back to peddling more lies. He made a fortune villainizing the parents of murdered children and all you think he should do is say sorry? Give me a f*****g break.

I'll tell you what is making people like Jones resort to these conjectures.  MONEY!