Question for Trudeau Haters....

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, Boges said:

The NDP will have to play ball though.

The NDP will have to continue to betray their base.

Do you really think all those truckers from out West voted Conservative?

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Boges · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

The NDP will have to continue to betray their base.

Do you really think all those truckers from out West voted Conservative?

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Doesn't matter who they voted for. The CPC support is saturated out West. That's why they won the popular vote and still lost the election.

A seat won with 70% of the vote counts the same as a seat with 52% of the vote.

Winning a Federal Election requires some form of broad based support. That's something Stephen Harper was able to create, for a few years anyway.

Zeitgeist · August 17, 2022

22 minutes ago, Boges said:

Doesn't matter who they voted for. The CPC support is saturated out West. That's why they won the popular vote and still lost the election.

A seat won with 70% of the vote counts the same as a seat with 52% of the vote.

Winning a Federal Election requires some form of broad based support. That's something Stephen Harper was able to create, for a few years anyway.

Federal elections are almost always about winning Ontario, because rural Canada and much of the west (minus BC NDP and Greens) eternally votes Conservative while central Canada and the East votes Liberal. The biggest cities are usually Liberal but the Conservatives can win the suburbs. In Ontario it’s the 905 belt around Toronto that can decide provincial and federal elections. When the Conservatives win the 416 City of Toronto, it’s over for the Liberals.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Zeitgeist

Boges · August 17, 2022

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Federal elections are almost always about winning Ontario, because rural Canada and much of the west (minus BC NDP and Greens) eternally votes Conservative while central Canada and the East votes Liberal. The biggest cities are usually Liberal but the Conservatives can win the suburbs. In Ontario it’s the 905 belt around Toronto that can decide provincial and federal elections.

This is what these Trucker Fans need to realize. Their act doesn't do anything to gain support in the populous parts of Ontario.

You lose the 905, you lose the election, simple as that.

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2022

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

This is what these Trucker Fans need to realize. Their act doesn't do anything to gain support in the populous parts of Ontario.

You lose the 905, you lose the election, simple as that.

Pierre is the long time member from Carleton Ontario. Speaks perfect French, too.

Boges · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Pierre is the long time member from Carleton Ontario. Speaks perfect French, too.

Cool Story Bro.

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2022

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Cool Story Bro.

That would be in the 905 region, I believe. Old Canada...Upper Canada.

Michael Hardner · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

That would be in the 905 region, I believe. Old Canada...Upper Canada.

613 I think. If PP gets any seats there it will be further south than that.

Boges · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

That would be in the 905 region, I believe. Old Canada...Upper Canada.

Incorrect. Carleton is an Ottawa burb.

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2022

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

613 I think. If PP gets any seats there it will be further south than that.

Either way...not the much maligned Alberta.

ExFlyer · August 17, 2022

10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

That would be in the 905 region, I believe. Old Canada...Upper Canada.

Geographically challenged I see LOL

Carleton is in the greater Ottawa area.

Boges · August 17, 2022

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Either way...not the much maligned Alberta.

I don't believe the CPC have ever had a leader that was born and raised out West.

Zeitgeist · August 17, 2022

33 minutes ago, Boges said:

This is what these Trucker Fans need to realize. Their act doesn't do anything to gain support in the populous parts of Ontario.

You lose the 905, you lose the election, simple as that.

I think the Conservatives under Poilievre would have a powerful narrative about government overreach, inflationary spending, and expensive policies such as carbon taxes based on largely hypothetical crisis scenarios. The real crises our society faces are the high cost of living and an insanely overbearing government bureaucracy that is making it impossible for airports, airlines, passport offices, and many public and private organizations to operate optimally. We have the discriminatory ArriveCAN barrier that is prolonging the damage to tourism at Canadian border towns. It’s killing travel in general. We have a public health authority that has been allowed to maintain absurd screening that causes high absenteeism. The Liberals have politicized Covid, used it as an excuse to assume more power. and are ramming through all sorts of left-wing spending and controls to stay in power and direct more of our lives. It’s more tiresome interventionism and invasiveness. The identity politics and concomitant cancel culture have diverted precious time, energy, and money from important priorities like living standards.

Basically the Conservatives can tell a compelling story about the need to bolster our constitutional rights against government overreach, reduce our energy, food, and housing costs, and make all Canadians more prosperous. Scrap the carbon taxes, lower taxes, and enhance domestic energy supply and use. Make Canada the freest country and best place to do business.

Scrap all the absurd bills attempting to control speech and internet content, fight Bill 21, get rid of government policies that restrict or tell you what to believe, etc. Defend free speech and stop throwing people out of caucus for saying politically incorrect things. Reduce CBC funding. Encourage open dialogue and refocus on merit rather than privileging certain identity groups or people/organizations with certain political perspectives.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Zeitgeist

Boges · August 17, 2022

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the Conservatives under Poilievre would have a powerful narrative about government overreach, inflationary spending, and expensive policies such as carbon taxes based on largely hypothetical crisis scenarios. The real crises our society faces are the high cost of living and an insanely overbearing government bureaucracy that is making it impossible for airports, airlines, passport offices, and many public and private organizations to operate optimally. We have the discriminatory ArriveCAN barrier that is prolonging the damage to tourism at Canadian border towns. It’s killing travel in general. We have a public health authority that has been allowed to maintain absurd screening that causes high absenteeism. The Liberals have politicized Covid, used it as an excuse to assume more power. and are ramming through all sorts of left-wing spending and controls to stay in power and direct more of our lives. It’s more tiresome interventionism and invasiveness. The identity politics and concomitant cancel culture have diverted precious time, energy, and money from important priorities like living standards.

Basically the Conservatives can tell a compelling story about the need to bolster our constitutional rights against government overreach, reduce our energy, food, and housing costs, and make all Canadians more prosperous. Scrap the carbon taxes, lower taxes, and enhance domestic energy supply and use. Make Canada the freest country and best place to do business.

Scrap all the absurd bills attempting to control speech and internet content, fight Bill 21, get rid of government policies that restrict or tell you what to believe, etc. Defend free speech and stop throwing people out of caucus for saying politically incorrect things. Reduce CBC funding. Encourage open dialogue and refocus on merit rather than privileging certain identity groups or people with certain political perspectives.

From a broader Canadian perspective, I don't think rolling back environmental measures will work.

I agree that the Feds are out of touch in regards to COVID restrictions as they current stand. But a year ago, they were inline with where a majority of the population was.

Inflation, right now, is much more complex right now than blaming a political party or policy.

Zeitgeist · August 17, 2022

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

From a broader Canadian perspective, I don't think rolling back environmental measures will work.

I agree that the Feds are out of touch in regards to COVID restrictions as they current stand. But a year ago, they were inline with where a majority of the population was.

Inflation, right now, is much more complex right now than blaming a political party or policy.

Our inflation is a direct result of Covid government spending, restrictions and lockdowns that created supply chain backlogs and absenteeism, and yes, real illness resulting from Covid. Government could have made less inflationary choices.

I’m all for protecting the environment. The Conservatives were leaders on protecting the Great Lakes. Much good work was done to fight acid rain. That’s a bit different from the climate crisis story, which is still somewhat speculative. Sorry but I don’t believe in raising the cost of living and driving people to poverty to fight a possible future crisis. We have immediate crises today. Only prosperity for all will drive the health and environmental advancements through technology and the inevitable shrinkage of family sizes as people become more educated and urban. As our cities and exurban areas become smarter, out carbon footprint and environmental impacts will be mitigated. No carbon tax necessary.

ExFlyer · August 17, 2022

29 minutes ago, Boges said:

I don't believe the CPC have ever had a leader that was born and raised out West.

List of Western conservative leaders.

sharkman · August 17, 2022

On 8/12/2022 at 8:51 PM, sharkman said:

...you will see Justin T trying to pull off wearing a cowboy hat!! ?

What a faker, anyway, Russel Brand neatly eviscerates Justin’s performance as PM.

Boges · August 17, 2022

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our inflation is a direct result of Covid government spending, restrictions and lockdowns that created supply chain backlogs and absenteeism, and yes, real illness resulting from Covid. Government could have made less inflationary choices.

I think Canada has been more responsible than other countries with COVID spending. CERB was made to support people who were forced not to work. No cheques were mailed to every Canadian to stimulate the economy, at least not on a Federal level. I got a few from Ontario.

I shudder to think what our Country would look like if the government didn't step in with COVID measures.

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I’m all for protecting the environment. The Conservatives were leaders on protecting the Great Lakes. Much good work was done to fight acid rain. That’s a bit different from the climate crisis story, which is still somewhat speculative. Sorry but I don’t believe in raising the cost of living and driving people to poverty to fight a possible future crisis. We have immediate crises today. Only prosperity for all will drive the health and environmental advancements through technology and the inevitable shrinkage of family sizes as people become more educated and urban. As our cities and exurban areas become smarter, out carbon footprint and environmental impacts will be mitigated. No carbon tax necessary.

Marginally raising the price of polluting is designed to encourage people to make better choices regarding energy consumption.

The gas price spikes we've been seeing have little to do with taxes and a lot to do with profit taking from oil companies. They have not increased supply to match demand.

And watch, if we do go into a recession, prices will plummet. Is that a better situation?

In Ontario, taxes have been taken off of Gas and we're still paying north of $1.60. If the Carbon tax was repealed that would only amount to 11¢/litre. Is $1.50/litre a fair price to pay for gas?

ExFlyer · August 17, 2022

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our inflation is a direct result of Covid government spending, restrictions and lockdowns that created supply chain backlogs and absenteeism, and yes, real illness resulting from Covid. Government could have made less inflationary choices.

I agree but need to say, it is not just Canadian government. World leaders created this. Some more than others and Canada was a very small player (as usual on the World stage).

Edited August 17, 2022 by ExFlyer

Boges · August 17, 2022

Just now, ExFlyer said:

List of Western conservative leaders.

Arthur Meighen

R. B. Bennet

John Diefenbaker

Joe Clark

Erik Nielsen

Kim Campbell

Stephen Harper

Andrew Scheer

Candice Bergen

I was only referring to the party, in its current form, Alliance merged with PC.

Stephen Harper was born in Toronto. Andrew Scheer was born in Ottawa.

Candice Bergen is from Manitoba. But she's only the interim leader.

Leaders are often parachuted into Safe ridings. That's why they often represent Western Ridings.

Zeitgeist · August 17, 2022

37 minutes ago, Boges said:

I think Canada has been more responsible than other countries with COVID spending. CERB was made to support people who were forced not to work. No cheques were mailed to every Canadian to stimulate the economy, at least not on a Federal level. I got a few from Ontario.

I shudder to think what our Country would look like if the government didn't step in with COVID measures.

Marginally raising the price of polluting is designed to encourage people to make better choices regarding energy consumption.

The gas price spikes we've been seeing have little to do with taxes and a lot to do with profit taking from oil companies. They have not increased supply to match demand.

And watch, if we do go into a recession, prices will plummet. Is that a better situation?

In Ontario, taxes have been taken off of Gas and we're still paying north of $1.60. If the Carbon tax was repealed that would only amount to 11¢/litre. Is $1.50/litre a fair price to pay for gas?

We must scrap all carbon taxes and “climate change” spending immediately. It’s a total waste of money that produces zero results. The international push will heighten. Canadian sovereignty is at serious risk. Get as much Canadian oil and gas on the market as possible. This is all about control of resources and people.

The biggest impacts on reducing climate change will come from a major reduction in world population coming from around 2050 due to demographics as well as the education and urbanization of families as people rise out of poverty, and advances in non-emitting tech. It’s all coming anyway, so don’t impoverish people and make Canadians beholden to foreign interests on energy, food, etc.

Boges · August 17, 2022

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

We must scrap all carbon taxes and “climate change” spending immediately. It’s a total waste of money that produces zero results. The international push will heighten. Canadian sovereignty is at serious risk. Get as much Canadian oil and gas on the market as possible. This is all about control of resources and people.

I agree in terms of LNG, but not the Tarsands. It's too expensive and OPEC has a competitive advantage to make the oil uncompetitive at their whim.

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The biggest impacts on reducing climate change will come from a major reduction in world population coming from around 2050 due to demographics as well as the education and urbanization of families as people rise out of poverty, and advances in non-emitting tech. It’s all coming anyway, so don’t impoverish people and make Canadians beholden to foreign interests on energy, food, etc.

You're fooling yourself if you think the Carbon tax is impoverishing people. It's 11 cents on the price of a litre of gas.

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2022

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Geographically challenged I see LOL

Carleton is in the greater Ottawa area.

I'm from BC...I couldn't care less what area code Carleton is in.

Edited August 17, 2022 by DogOnPorch

OftenWrong · August 17, 2022

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

AFAIK police recruitment has NEVER been a challenge. Any more than recruitment for the fire department. There are long lines of young men eager to get jobs they see as exciting and which pay high salaries. The challenge today is that police departments have been directed to practice 'diversity and equity', which in practice means desperately searching for female and minority candidates while ignoring a lot of capable white, male candidates.

I provided the necessary link so you can do your own research. Expand your knowledge.