Canada Banning Certain Plastic Products by the End of the Year

[Boges]

On 6/25/2022 at 3:48 PM, ExFlyer said:

Recycling is a farce. A waste of taxpayers money. No one uses or buys old plastics and the countries that used to take that stuff no longer wants it.

Reality is that recycling plastics is BS.

Which is precisely why certain products are being banned. 

No one is trying ban aluminum cans. 

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

Which is precisely why certain products are being banned. 

No one is trying ban aluminum cans. 

Certain products? Are plastics a problem or only straws and bags??

Recycling is a great principal, but one of the most, if not the most, poorly executed.

Edited June 28, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Certain products? Are plastics a problem or only straws and bags??

Recycling is a great principal, but one of the most, if not the most, poorly executed.

Plastics are a problem. 

But some are particularly pervasive and have easy alternatives. 

Recycling works when there's a market for the product being recycled. Most glass, aluminum and cardboard does get recycled. The problem with plastics is that it's cheaper just to make new plastic. 

 

[Aristides]

On 6/22/2022 at 4:45 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

whatever control freak

if you want people to stop using plastic bags

make some bags they want more

not use the government to force them to use bags they want less

that's what a real environmentalist would do

clearly you're a fake who just wants to use the environment as justification for government power grabs

Guess we should still have lead in gas.

[Aristides]

I have a sixties vintage muscle car with a big block engine. After I back it into the garage I have to leave the door open for a half hour to get rid of the fumes. Guess we shouldn't have emission controls on cars either. 

[cougar]

15 hours ago, RedDog said:

I’ve been saving up plastic cutlery and reusing them. I just bought a bag of such as well. I keep a re-cleaned set with me at all times in a... plastic zip lock bag and take them home to wash. No wood for me.

Plastic is a marvellous invention but just has to be used responsibly. 

And why are you reusing the plastic ones, when you can have a perfectly good metal set for a couple of bucks????

Don't answer the question; there can be no good logical reason.

[cougar]

14 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

not pro-environment

just anti-human

if you try to make people choose between people and the environment

the environment ain't going to win the argument 

 

You don't understand and you don't understand again.  You can't understand.

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, cougar said:

You don't understand and you don't understand again.  You can't understand.

I do understand

you're just a commie in environmentalist clothing

[Aristides]

15 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

not pro-environment

just anti-human

if you try to make people choose between people and the environment

the environment ain't going to win the argument 

invoking a false dichotomy like that

is bad for the environment

if you wrap the cause in anti-human and communist baggage 

you're going to make it a lot harder to sell

but really you want to sell the baggage and use the environment as a front to try and sell it to the rubes

which is why you don't drop the baggage and make it your main "pro-environment" argument

while claiming that anyone who wants to protect the environment with far more effective methods and not your counterproductive methods just wants to destroy the planet

Malthusian af

Of course the environment will win. The environment we create will end up killing us.

[marcus]

On 6/21/2022 at 8:07 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

so stop using plastic bags then

you don't have any right to force others not to

if others want to use plastic bags, that's their prerogative

I would disagree with this. Because others' use of plastic bags is directly harming me and my environment.

[marcus]

Anyone use biodegradable trash bags?

Cost has gone way down, due to competition. 

[Yzermandius19]

32 minutes ago, marcus said:

I would disagree with this. Because others' use of plastic bags is directly harming me and my environment.

no it isn't

the disposal of them is harming you

that's a disposal issue

it is perfectly possible to use plastic bags without harming anyone

the bags aren't the problem

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Of course the environment will win. The environment we create will end up killing us.

anti-human vs anti-environment

anti-environment wins the argument every time

anti-human does not sell politically

and if you saddle the environmental movement with that baggage

it will never sell to the public

just ditch the anti-human baggage, if you actually want to help the environment

if the anti-human baggage is the whole point and the environment is simply a convenient way to push it

then the current strategy makes a lot more sense

Edited June 29, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

anti-human vs anti-environment

anti-environment wins the argument every time

anti-human does not sell politically

and if you saddle the environmental movement with that baggage

it will never sell to the public

just ditch the anti-human baggage, if you actually want to help the environment

if the anti-human baggage is the whole point and the environment is simply a convenient way to push it

then the current strategy makes a lot more sense

The environment always wins. It doesn't care about human ideology.

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The environment always wins. It doesn't care about human ideology.

it's not either or

a good environment is good for humans

and good humans are good for the environment

being anti-human doesn't help the environment

being anti-environment doesn't help humans

anyone pretending it's a zero-sum game between the environment and humanity is a moron

both are synergistic not antagonistic

those turning one side into the antagonist and wanting to use the government to punish them as the only possible solution

should be ignored

Edited June 29, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[cougar]

13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no it isn't

the bags aren't the problem

? Laughable and irrelevant as one can ever be.

You can put your favorite plastic bag on your head and tie it up tight around your neck.   It might fix your problem permanently.

Edited June 29, 2022 by cougar

[herbie]

Cutting down trees is an issue? You replant and they grow back. They're in mile long piles unsold at the mill cuz people aren't building many $3 million homes.

I mean Jeez, do you wipe your ass with your left hand to save the trees?

And everyone's mentioned aluminum is good for recycling. Get rid of those plastic pop bottles and make aluminum ones with resealable tops. They're already out there for some things.

And make them effing METRIC no more of this 593.27 ml crap!

[cougar]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Cutting down trees is an issue? You replant and they grow back. ............

And make them effing METRIC no more of this 593.27 ml crap!

Yes , it is a BIG issue, as they do not grow back as you might expect.

As for the metric, I agree completely.  The imperial system is a testament of the Crown's insanity.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/29/2022 at 12:06 AM, marcus said:

I would disagree with this. Because others' use of plastic bags is directly harming me and my environment.

I reuse all plastic bags I get from stores.  I use them to store things, or use them for garbage bags on smaller trash bins.

[Dougie93]

I throw everything in the land fill

even if it could be recycled, I throw it in the garbage

because the truth is, Canada dumps its "recycled" waste in the Third World

recycling is bullshit, all you are doing is dumping your trash on poor people in Asia

see the mountains of Canada's "recycled" waste dumped on Manila in the Philippines

Edited June 30, 2022 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

On 6/28/2022 at 9:23 AM, Boges said:

Which is precisely why certain products are being banned. 

No one is trying ban aluminum cans. 

Ah aluminum cans. I remember when beer first came out in cans. That distinctive "ssst" sound opening them. We dubbed it the sound of that summer. 

Anyway...ya...carry on...

Edited June 30, 2022 by Nationalist

[Aristides]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:42 PM, Dougie93 said:

I throw everything in the land fill

even if it could be recycled, I throw it in the garbage

because the truth is, Canada dumps its "recycled" waste in the Third World

recycling is bullshit, all you are doing is dumping your trash on poor people in Asia

see the mountains of Canada's "recycled" waste dumped on Manila in the Philippines

Just an excuse to be lazy.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Just an excuse to be lazy.

it was actually the French Socialist Paul LaFarague who defended the right to be lazy in his 1883 publication of the same name

only a fool toils at the coalface for no good reason

which is how we are turning the masses against puritanical fools like you

Edited July 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it was actually the French Socialist Paul LaFarague who defended the right to be lazy in his 1883 publication of the same name

only a fool toils at the coalface for no good reason

which is how we are turning the masses against puritanical fools like you

What's puritanical about recycling and composting?  What's puritanical about being against people getting rid of their garbage where ever they please?

Edited July 4, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

On 7/4/2022 at 4:07 PM, Aristides said:

What's puritanical about recycling and composting?  What's puritanical about being against people getting rid of their garbage where ever they please?

motte and bailey