Another Mass Shooting

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, marcus said:

That's not correct. AR-15 are legal. Americans are also able to get a machine gun, if they want to.

Background checks are not going through, despite an overwhelming majority supporting them. Why? Because the gun lobby is still one of the most powerful lobby groups in America.

You're not making comments based on facts.

Ref: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

 

fake news

AR-15's are not automatic

anyone who thinks that doesn't know enough about to have an informed opinion on gun policy

[BeaverFever]

On 6/17/2022 at 12:04 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

God given right to self defense

a smart and prepared bunch

Canadians are the naive and unprepared bunch

who think law abiding citizens shouldn't have the option to defend themselves from criminals

because guns are bad m'kay

Canadians think the inanimate object is more of a problem than the criminals

full on insanity

And yet by all objective evidence  everything you say is false.  USA is the crime-ridden country where innocent people and schoolchildren are regularly  massacred, including today’s July 4 massacre. These regular American events happen rarely or even never in Canada, European countries and elsewhere   in the developed world. 

[Yzermandius19]

32 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet by all objective evidence  everything you say is false.  USA is the crime-ridden country where innocent people and schoolchildren are regularly  massacred, including today’s July 4 massacre. These regular American events happen rarely or even never in Canada, European countries and elsewhere   in the developed world. 

that is not the consequence of not having pointless unconstitutional gun control

correlation doesn't equal causation

it's a people issue, not a legal one

if Canada had the gun laws of a red state, Canada would not suddenly have a similar number of mass shootings

and if the red states had the gun laws of Canada they wouldn't suddenly have a similar number of mass shootings to Canada

that's not how it works

Switzerland doesn't have much restrictions on guns and has a well armed population

yet nowhere near the mass shootings in America

even though they have gun laws that are much closer to the American standard than the Canadian standard

many American states have similarly restrictive gun laws that Canada had

yet they have more mass shootings than Canada does

you attempting to link the second amendment to mass shootings is an asinine non-sequitur

Edited July 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

On 7/5/2022 at 3:43 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

that is not the consequence of not having pointless unconstitutional gun control

correlation doesn't equal causation

it's a people issue, not a legal one

if Canada had the gun laws of a red state, Canada would not suddenly have a similar number of mass shootings

and if the red states had the gun laws of Canada they wouldn't suddenly have a similar number of mass shootings to Canada

that's not how it works

Switzerland doesn't have much restrictions on guns and has a well armed population

yet nowhere near the mass shootings in America

even though they have gun laws that are much closer to the American standard than the Canadian standard

many American states have similarly restrictive gun laws that Canada had

yet they have more mass shootings than Canada does

you attempting to link the second amendment to mass shootings is an asinine non-sequitur

You don’t know what you’re talking  about. Switzerland actually has very strict gun control rules that are more similar to Canada than the US: the Swiss require ownership permits and thorough background checks, firearms are registered with law enforcement and owners even have to pass a practical competency test where they demonstrate they know how to load and operate the firearm before they’re allowed to get a license which is something not even Canada has.
 

You’re confused by conservative propaganda that tries to distort the fact that the Swiss simply have a very high gun ownership participation rate, but just as widespread automobile ownership doesn’t prove a country has lax automobile laws, widespread gun ownership doesn’t mean lax gun laws. The Swiss require mandatory full-time military service from all males, followed in most cases by mandatory part-time reserve duty for most of their adult life.  Swiss citizens can purchase their service weapon after their full-time duty and keep their firearms at home. Half of all privately owned firearms in Switzerland are former military issue.  So most Swiss gun owners are actually trained professionals who take firearms seriously, not unskilled rednecks wanting a cool toy to make up for a small dick and lack of success with women. 
 

By the way, Switzerland still has one of the worst gun crime rates in Europe. It’s not correlation its causation. 

Edited July 6, 2022 by BeaverFever

[West]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You don’t know what you’re talking  about. Switzerland actually has very strict gun control rules that are more similar to Canada than the US: the Swiss require ownership permits and thorough background checks, firearms are registered with law enforcement and owners even have to pass a practical competency test where they demonstrate they know how to load and operate the firearm before they’re allowed to get a license which is something not even Canada has.
 

You’re confused by conservative propaganda that tries to distort the fact that the Swiss simply have a very high fun ownership participation rate, but just as widespread automobile ownership doesn’t prove a country has lax automobile laws, widespread gun ownership doesn’t mean lax gun laws. The Swiss require mandatory full-time military service from all males, followed in most cases by mandatory part-time reserve duty for most of their adult life.  Swiss citizens can purchase their service weapon after their full-time duty and keep their firearms at home. Half of all privately owned firearms in Switzerland are former military issue.  So most Swiss gun owners are actually trained professionals who take firearms seriously, not unskilled rednecks wanting a cool toy to make up for a small dick and lack of success with women. 
 

By the way, Switzerland still has one of the worst gun crime rates in Europe. It’s not correlation its causation. 

1. The US also does background checks. Their issue is a wide open southern border that democrats want to do nothing about which leads to human trafficking, drug cartels who are ultimately armed and causing the unusually high amount of gun crime

2. When Canada put in the long form gun registry it did absolutely nothing to curtail gun crime. It just added yet another tax on law abiding gun owners. Most people didn't even register their firearms anyway. 

3. If you've ever been to Switzerland its not uncommon to see them carrying firearms around with them on public transit. The population is only 8 million too... 

[OftenWrong]

On 6/16/2022 at 11:24 PM, Aristides said:

Funny. God given right to kill each other. Paranoid bunch.

“Thou shalt not kill, except with a Colt AR-15.”

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, West said:

1. The US also does background checks. Their issue is a wide open southern border that democrats want to do nothing about which leads to human trafficking, drug cartels who are ultimately armed and causing the unusually high amount of gun crime

2. When Canada put in the long form gun registry it did absolutely nothing to curtail gun crime. It just added yet another tax on law abiding gun owners. Most people didn't even register their firearms anyway. 

3. If you've ever been to Switzerland its not uncommon to see them carrying firearms around with them on public transit. The population is only 8 million too... 

US federal background checks are a joke. A phone call and a quick check of a database and it is done. Also, they aren't required for private sales. 

Although registering firearms is not a bad thing, the long gun registry was an expensive and unnecessary. There was no fee for registering a long gun.

Per capita, there are half as many guns in Switzerland than in the US. 

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If you wish to carry a weapon in a public place, you must obtain a permit do so from the cantonal authorities. The permit is valid throughout Switzerland and you must have it on you at all times.

Your application to carry a weapon will only be granted if you can prove that you must carry a weapon, for example if you are a private security officer, in order to protect yourself, other people or objects from tangible danger. You must also pass an exam on how to use weapons and the legal requirements for doing so.

https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/en/home/sicherheit/waffen/waffentragen.html

[Aristides]

Gun ownership. Switzerland vs US.

https://bigthink.com/the-present/switzerland-high-gun-ownership/

[Aristides]

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In one of two news conferences held earlier Tuesday, police said they had previously had two previous encounters with the suspect, Robert E. Crimo III. In April 2019, police were notified he had attempted suicide. That September, a family member advised police Crimo had said he was going to "kill everyone" and had a collection of knives, Covelli said. 

Police removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from Crimo's home. "At that time, there was no probable cause to arrest," Covelli said.

Crimo is believed to have legally bought guns after that encounter, Covelli added.

 

 

WTF

[Nationalist]

On 7/5/2022 at 3:22 AM, BeaverFever said:

And yet by all objective evidence  everything you say is false.  USA is the crime-ridden country where innocent people and schoolchildren are regularly  massacred, including today’s July 4 massacre. These regular American events happen rarely or even never in Canada, European countries and elsewhere   in the developed world. 

And you thought locking people up for a cough, conducting a culture war and filling the internet with pure hatred was a good idea...

Now you see the results. So enjoy the fruits of your labour.

[BeaverFever]

19 hours ago, West said:

1. The US also does background checks. Their issue is a wide open southern border that democrats want to do nothing about which leads to human trafficking, drug cartels who are ultimately armed and causing the unusually high amount of gun crime

2. When Canada put in the long form gun registry it did absolutely nothing to curtail gun crime. It just added yet another tax on law abiding gun owners. Most people didn't even register their firearms anyway. 

3. If you've ever been to Switzerland its not uncommon to see them carrying firearms around with them on public transit. The population is only 8 million too... 

1.  The US “instant background check” is heavily flawed and full of loopholes thanks to Republican interference. It only checks criminal convictions  and court orders and doesn’t apply to private sales or gun show sales. Multiple mass shooters have been able to purchase firearms despite having criminal concoctions that the Instant background check didn’t detect: including right wing extremist Dylan Roof and the Sutherland Springs  shooter.  In Switzerland the local police actually come out and conduct interviews with the applicant and people who know them, its not just an automated check of convictions. Given that this week’s mass shooter legally purchased his guns despite having a history of posting disturbing content online and was a known weirdo loner it’s likely he wouldn’t have been allowed to do so in Switzerland. 
 

Funny none of America’s many many mass shooters and school shooters had anything to do with cartels or illegal immigration. Stop inventing distractions  and stop pretending Democrats are somehow to blame for the weather. If anything it was Republicans Iran-Contra cocaine smuggling enterprise that turned Central and South American drug smuggling from a tiny cottage industry for local small-time criminals into a major worldwide criminal operation. And then Reagan’s “war on drugs”  to try and offset a problem they created which was carried forward by every Republican and Democrat since only poured gasoline on the fire. 
 

2.  False, True but so what, and False  

 

3.  So what. Like I said the Swiss are trained and educated and guns are throughly regulated. Exactly the opposite of USA. 

[Yzermandius19]

background checks don't do shit to stop mass shootings

if a mass shooter wants to buy a gun

he can buy it illegally

in fact, many have

Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And you thought locking people up for a cough, conducting a culture war and filling the internet with pure hatred was a good idea...

Now you see the results. So enjoy the fruits of your labour.

Locking people up for a cough never happened. Thanks t just more of your made up nonsense. 
 

The rest of what you describe has been Republican standard operating procedure for decades, it’s hilarious that you would try to put  that on anyone else  

 

USA is the only country in the world with regular mass shootings. The only things that set them apart is their ridiculous gun laws and the high prevalence of right wing extremists. 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Like I said the Swiss are trained and educated and guns are throughly regulated. Exactly the opposite of USA. 

don't need government regulation to be well trained or educated

[BeaverFever]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

background checks don't do shit

if a mass shooter wants to buy a gun

he can buy it illegally

in fact, many have

Bullshit.  Most mass shooters use legally owned guns. Most mass shooters are law-abiding citizens whose mental health deteriorates until they do something crazy  The recent mass shooters all used legally purchased firearms 

In Canada it’s almost impossible for anyone who’s not already a criminal with criminal connections to buy a gun illegally. I have no idea where to buy am illegal gun….do you

[BeaverFever]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

don't need government regulation to be well trained or educated

You nee government regulation to REQUIRE you to be well trained an educated, genius. 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

Bullshit.  Most mass shooters use legally owned guns. Most mass shooters are law-abiding citizens whose mental health deteriorates until they do something crazy  The recent mass shooters all used legally purchased firearms 

In Canada it’s almost impossible for anyone who’s not already a criminal with criminal connections to buy a gun illegally. I have no idea where to buy am illegal gun….do you

it's not hard to buy illegal guns in America or Canada

and just because many used legal guns doesn't mean they couldn't have used illegal ones

many mass shooters have, in fact, most of them do

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

You nee government regulation to REQUIRE you to be well trained an educated, genius. 

doesn't need to be a requirement

and again if anyone wants to avoid that requirement

they can do so

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Locking people up for a cough never happened. Thanks t just more of your made up nonsense. 
 

The rest of what you describe has been Republican standard operating procedure for decades, it’s hilarious that you would try to put  that on anyone else  

 

USA is the only country in the world with regular mass shootings. The only things that set them apart is their ridiculous gun laws and the high prevalence of right wing extremists. 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

The Rona...cough cough...sniff blow...and done.

You really should consider not posting. You embarrass yourself constantly.

[West]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1.  The US “instant background check” is heavily flawed and full of loopholes thanks to Republican interference. It only checks criminal convictions  and court orders and doesn’t apply to private sales or gun show sales. Multiple mass shooters have been able to purchase firearms despite having criminal concoctions that the Instant background check didn’t detect: including right wing extremist Dylan Roof and the Sutherland Springs  shooter.  In Switzerland the local police actually come out and conduct interviews with the applicant and people who know them, its not just an automated check of convictions. Given that this week’s mass shooter legally purchased his guns despite having a history of posting disturbing content online and was a known weirdo loner it’s likely he wouldn’t have been allowed to do so in Switzerland. 
 

Funny none of America’s many many mass shooters and school shooters had anything to do with cartels or illegal immigration. Stop inventing distractions  and stop pretending Democrats are somehow to blame for the weather. If anything it was Republicans Iran-Contra cocaine smuggling enterprise that turned Central and South American drug smuggling from a tiny cottage industry for local small-time criminals into a major worldwide criminal operation. And then Reagan’s “war on drugs”  to try and offset a problem they created which was carried forward by every Republican and Democrat since only poured gasoline on the fire. 
 

2.  False, True but so what, and False  

 

3.  So what. Like I said the Swiss are trained and educated and guns are throughly regulated. Exactly the opposite of USA. 

1. The US system is made up of both state law and federal law. There's no such thing as the "gun show loophole".. thats a sad democrat talking point. As is the false claim you can legally own an ak47 in the US. 

 You would need an insane amount of administration to make your system work which ultimately would collapse because of it. 

2. Not False at all. The long form gun registry was a colossal failure. Just a cash grab. You leftists just parrot whatever you hear on CNN, driven by a savior complex but end up just screwing everything you touch up. 

3. So what? ?. 

The Swiss have open carry on trains therefore this nonsense about guns being the issue is clearly false. Perhaps if you nummies would stop grave dancing for a second and stop with the culture war bs to scare people into voting for you some actual solutions could be developed. 

And before you blame the nra your proposals are simply NOT rooted in practicality or common sense. They are stupid

[Aristides]

Supposedly there was an instant background check on the last three mass shooters in the US.  Obviously they are next to useless.

Edited July 6, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Supposedly there was an instant background check on the last three mass shooters in the US.  Obviously they are next to useless.

that's because background checks don't stop mass shooters

and they never will

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's not hard to buy illegal guns in America or Canada

and just because many used legal guns doesn't mean they couldn't have used illegal ones

many mass shooters have, in fact, most of them do

Right, we'll just give wackos guns because they might be able to get them illegally. Of course they will if you have saturated your country with the things and have no record of who owns what. But hey, let's make it even easier for them.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that's because background checks don't stop mass shooters

and they never will

How would you know?

But keep running up the body count, it doesn't seem to concern you.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Right, we'll just give wackos guns because they might be able to get them illegally. Of course they will if you have saturated your country with the things and have no record of who owns what. But hey, let's make it even easier for them.

there is no way to stop mass shooting whackos from getting guns

taking guns away from the non-whackos who can stop them

makes it easier on them

and that's the only thing the gun control measures you support do

Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19