Another Mass Shooting

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

In 96 minutes he could have killed 100 people with a single shot rifle.

it was only 96 minutes because had a scoped bolt action rifle which allowed him to engage as a sniper 

 

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I picked 2021 because it was the most recent. Pick any year, I dare ya.

Norway against America, you mean? Gun homicides, per capita? I believe that's what you were offering up with a planted reference to 2015.

Very well, but I don't understand why your asking. I already gave you the year to replace your attempted 2015 deception with.

2011. Go.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

it was only 96 minutes because had a scoped bolt action rifle which allowed him to engage as a sniper 

 

He had 96 minutes from the time he started shooting till the time he was shot. Just think how much damage he could have done with something like an AR 15.

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In 1968, The University of Texas System Police Academy graduated its first class of commissioned officers. Current UT police officers undergo a variety of training programs designed to help them prepare to combat threats on campus if the Austin Police Department or the SWAT team are unavailable.^[41]

There were no SWAT teams anywhere in the US in 1966.

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It was August 1, 1966, a tragic event occurred in Austin, Texas. A man named Charles Joseph Whitman, a honor student, used a high-powered rifle to randomly kill over a dozen people and wounded over thirty more from the University of Texas Clock Tower Building in Austin. This incident is best known as the Texas Tower Sniper and is credited as being the sparking event for "The Birth of SWAT."

 

Are you guys from Mars?

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 Just think how much damage he could have done with something like an AR 15.

 

he had something like an AR

he had the M1 carbine

how many people were killed by the M1 as opposed to the Remington 700 bolt action ?

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

he had something like an AR

he had the M1 carbine

how many people were killed by the M1 as opposed to the Remington 700 bolt action ?

Does it matter. 18 died and 31 were wounded. You guys are from Mars.

An AR 15 has an effective range of more than double a M1 carbine.

You are an army guy, you should know this shit.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Aristides

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Does it matter. 18 died and 31 were wounded. You guys are from Mars.

An AR 15 has an effective range of more than double a M1 carbine.

You are an army guy, you should know this shit.

 

the AR15 & M1 have the exact same effective range, accurate to 300 yards

according to the scene map, at least 6 of the victims were shot at beyond that range, at 500 yards

 

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are an army guy, you should know this shit.

I certainly know that the most effective way for me to kill the most people

would be with a scoped bolt action rifle, from a concealed elevated position

I could just sit back and pick people off at will

unlike Whitman I would remain concealed, deep in  a room

so it would take them a very long time to even figure out where I was shooting from

tho because I can engage from so far away, I can move around

I could have multiple positions of observation & fire, with concealed routes between

plus an escape & evasion plan & routes

so much for the bold action rifle being "safer"

with the AR15 I am precision accurate to 300m, rounds on target out beyond 400m

but with a bolt action sniper rifle I am precision accurate at 800m, rounds on target beyond a kilometre

the bolt action rifle is also a much larger heavier round than the AR15's, so much more lethal as well

the advantage of the sniper is the ability to hit at very long range from concealment

you can take your time and make every round count, slow is smooth, smooth is fast

tactically, the sniper can pin down large formations of troops this way

a whole rifle company could get shot to pieces, just trying to get at a single sniper

this is why I don't get wrapped around the axle about Canadian gun control

I don't even want an AR15, those are boring to me, no need for a handgun neither

I don't need more than a 12 gauge pump & a bolt action .308,  both non Restricted in Canada

that is what made Whitman so dangerous, he was a Marine Infantryman

in the infantry, rapid fire is used for suppression, to keep the enemies heads down

when it comes to killing, the single aimed shot is most effective

it's not about the gun, it's all about the shooter

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

39 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

the AR15 & M1 have the exact same effective range, accurate to 300 yards

according to the scene map, at least 6 of the victims were shot at beyond that range, at 500 yards

 

Nope

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Nope

the first two victims were shot a close range with a shotgun

the rest with a rifle from the tower

how many of the victims were killed by the bolt action rifle ?

were any killed by the M1 carbine?

I see no reports that the M1 was actually used at all

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the first two victims were shot a close range with a shotgun

the rest with a rifle from the tower

how many of the victims were killed by the bolt action rifle ?

were any killed by the M1 carbine?

I see no reports that the M1 was actually used at all

He had an M1 carbine, not a Garand. Surely you know he difference.

[Dougie93]

here we see how the leftist lunatic Aristides has the leftist obsession with the AR15

programmed into them by the Liberal media

it's the scariest gun in the world to leftists who know nothing about guns

but it's actually a pop gun in military terms

the previous Canadian Forces rifle, the FN FAL is far more powerful and longer ranged

the AR15 was chosen to be used by conscripts, so it's small & light and easy to shoot

and the 5.56x45mm cartridge is not chosen for its firepower, but rather its small size, so you can carry more ammo

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He had an M1 carbine, not a Garand. Surely you know he difference.

yes, the M1 carbine, which is a 7.62x33mm cartridge, with a 110 grain slug

which is a larger and heavier round than the 5.56x45mm AR15 cartridge, with only a 55-62 grain slug

they're both accurate for tactical purposes to about 300m

the bullets fly further, but the average soldier isn't accurate at beyond 300m

in the Canadian Army the PWT3 shooting test only requires you to group with your AR15 (C7) out to 300m

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

here's the two rounds side by side

on the left is the .30 Carbine ( 7.62x33mm )

on the right is the AR15's .223 Remington ( 5.56x45mm )

so the M1 Carbine round is a shorter casing, with a larger heavier slug, 110gr

the AR15 cartridge is longer, but the 62 grain slug that it shoots is smaller and lighter

the AR15 is more accurate, but the M1 Carbine does more damage

the AR15's smaller faster bullet actually has more energy, 1700 joules to the M1's 1300 joules

but the much larger heavier bullet of the M1 Carbine is going to make a bigger wound if it hits you

the main advantage of the AR15 is its precision accuracy

but that only works if you take single aimed shots, and take your time

if you just spray bullets around rapid fire, that defeats the main advantage of the AR15

if you're just going to spray bullets around rapid fire, you'd do more damage with the .30 Carbine

here's the M1 Carbine in Vietnam, where it was preferred over the AR15

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[West]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

here we see how the leftist lunatic Aristides has the leftist obsession with the AR15

programmed into them by the Liberal media

it's the scariest gun in the world to leftists who know nothing about guns

but it's actually a pop gun in military terms

the previous Canadian Forces rifle, the FN FAL is far more powerful and longer ranged

the AR15 was chosen to be used by conscripts, so it's small & light and easy to shoot

and the 5.56x45mm cartridge is not chosen for its firepower, but rather its small size, so you can carry more ammo

Assault rifle = "scary looking gun". 

Media hype and sensationalism is all. 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, West said:

Assault rifle = "scary looking gun". 

Media hype and sensationalism is all. 

I do think the left have reason to be intimidated by the AR15

but it's not about the mechanism of the AR15

it's about the universal popularity of the AR15

it's the most popular gun in America

it has become ubiquitous

and when the population all have the same rifle firing the same ammunition

you do have the makings of a vast citizen army

all war is logistics in the end

[Dougie93]

again, bear in mind why the AR15 was chosen by the US Army to replace 7.62x51mm Battle Rifles

it wasn't firepower, the AR15 has half the range, half the power of a Battle Rifle

but the AR15 is so much easier to use, so much easier to train

the US Army was a conscript army at the time

the smaller, lighter, lower recoil AR15 is the not the most powerful, it's the most versatile

anyone can be a rifleman with an AR15

and the smaller lighter cartridge allows them to carry twice as much ammunition

volume of fire is what wins the firefight

tho it's not about magazine capacity

it's about how many rounds you can carry in your rucksack

and the vast majority of engagements are well inside 300m

so range is not such an issue

I could train anyone to operate an AR15 competently, and shoot it accurately to 300m

and I could do that in one training day, 8 hours

the AR15 is the ultimate citizen soldier rifle

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I do think the left have reason to be intimidated by the AR15

but it's not about the mechanism of the AR15

it's about the universal popularity of the AR15

it's the most popular gun in America

it has become ubiquitous

and when the population all have the same rifle firing the same ammunition

you do have the makings of a vast citizen army

all war is logistics in the end

For sure it gets a big thumbs up from mass murderers.

[Dougie93]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

For sure it gets a big thumbs up from mass murderers.

war is nothing more than state sanctioned mass murder

the purpose of all military weapons is mass murder on an industrial scale

[Dougie93]

the difference between America & Canada however, is cultural

Americans are a martial people

war is the force that made America, war is the force that gives America meaning

the Civil War above all, the Second American Revolution

so Americans are mass murderers by nature

whereas Canadians are a wholly unmartial people

war is not Canada's business, Canada simply rendered unto the British Empire for that

so when it comes to gang shootings, or mass shootings,  in Canada

those persons have simply ceased to be Canadians, and have become Americans by cultural imperialism

so no amount of Canadian gun control is going to stop them

Canadian gun control simply provokes them, as it would provoke the Americans

so it is an invasion of sorts, it is revolutionary against the Crown of Canada

even if you could somehow limit them to bolt action rifles

like Charles Whitman, they would simply change tactics and become mass snipers

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

AR-15 gets a big thumbs up from your neighbourhood mass murderer.

Gun control is very popular in Canada, the only thing debatable is the degree of control.

[West]

34 minutes ago, Aristides said:

AR-15 gets a big thumbs up from your neighbourhood mass murderer.

Gun control is very popular in Canada, the only thing debatable is the degree of control.

Lol.. yes I'm sure that's why everyone buys an AR. To go shoot up a school. 

My goodness you folks are something

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. yes I'm sure that's why everyone buys an AR. To go shoot up a school. 

 

Of course not but it is the #1 choice of those who do shoot up schools, supermarkets, concerts, parades, neighbourhoods etc.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Aristides

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Gun control is very popular in Canada, the only thing debatable is the degree of control.

it's not about the gun, it's all about the shooter

a gun is simply an extension of my resolve to close with & destroy, unto bayonet range if necessary

there's really nothing that can stop me from mass murdering in a technical sense

it is my profession, the profession of arms 

I am simply an Orangeman of Upper Canada

United Empire Loyalist to the bone

bound by solemn oath before God himself,  to the British Crown in North America

thus I will only mass murderer upon lawful order of the Commander-in-Chief

God Queen Country

culture is destiny

the most formidable soldiers on earth, answering only to one woman at Buckingham Palace

Edited July 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Iceni warrior]

On 7/6/2022 at 3:24 PM, Dougie93 said:

Charles Whitman killed 14 & wounded 31 in 96 minutes

his primary weapon was a Remington Model 700 bolt action with a five round magazine

hence why he's called the "Texas Tower Sniper"

How does that compare with the Vegas shooter?

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, Iceni warrior said:

How does that compare with the Vegas shooter?

 

the Vegas shooter did a lot of spraying of bullets around

that's actually counterproductive

that gives them the window to just run for it

when you are a sniper, you employ psyops

you don't have to shoot that much

anybody who tries to run, just shoot them

don't shoot to kill, shoot to wound,  horribly

let them lie there screaming like a little girl

let everyone else think about it

then watch and shoot

go ahead and try to run, I dare you

slow is smooth, smooth is fast

you won't make it

then you can just take your time, they are pinned down, no worries