Another Mass Shooting

[ironstone]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Hey genius everywhere in the world has dollar limit where petty theft is a misdemeanour instead of a felony. Or do you think a kid who steals a chocolate bar normally gets charged with felony?

A misdemeanour does not mean it’s legal either which is what you said the first time  You can still go to jail for misdemeanour theft under this law  

In Canada the threshold for indictable aka “felony” theft is $5,000.   Theft under $5,000 can be a summary offence aka misdemeanour. 
 

It’s also known that criminals don’t alter their behaviour in response to changes to in penalties such as this. As usual you’re suckered again by fox news propaganda and their endless fear-mongering over criminals and black people. There has always been shoplifting and always will be. 
 
By the way the citizens of California votes for proposition 47 as a ballot initiative and it became law 8 years ago sit it’s already a fact of history that it hasn’t lead to an increase in shoplifting. 
 

Yet data from the California Department of Justice shows property crime steadily decreased in the years after voters approved Proposition 47 in 2014, but not in the immediate aftermath:
 

In 2015, incidents of property crime rose 8.15% compared to 2014, state data show. In the following years, it dropped, first by 2.19% in 2016, then 1.46% in 2017; 4.64% in 2018; 2.74% in 2019; and 8.09% in 2020. 

Shoplifting incidents increased by 11.67% in 2015, but fell the following years, down 9.27% in 2016; 7.14% in 2017; and 2.38% in 2018. It rose slightly, by 1.04% in 2019, but fell by 29.02% in 2020…,“California’s crime rates remain comparable to the low rates observed in the 1960s – even with the dramatic reductions in incarceration ushered in by recent criminal justice reforms,” the authors wrote in 2018.

 

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article256384112.html
 

You’re welcome 

I wonder what it's like to live in the Disney-like world you inhabit. Lot's of crimes are going unreported because there is little that store owners can do in the face of such stupidity from the Democrats in those states.

Walgreens and CVS stores in San Francisco forced to close (lawenforcementtoday.com)

Why would these stores be closing if theft rates weren't rising?

California Stores Closing Early As Unpunished Theft Explodes (thefederalist.com)

Chain Stores Are Closing En Masse In San Francisco, Why? - San Diego News Desk

The repetitive losses of $950 thefts take their toll on store owners and franchisees. $950 is not equivalent to the theft of a chocolate bar.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

See my last post. 

And? The USA has more gun murders because they have a much more dense population and of course...defunding the police plus all the idiot DAs doesn't help much.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And? The USA has more gun murders because they have a much more dense population and of course...defunding the police plus all the idiot DAs doesn't help much.

There are plenty of countries with far denser populations than the US which have very few gun murders. Like Japan and every Western European country.

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There are plenty of countries with far denser populations than the US which have very few gun murders. Like Japan and every Western European country.

That's a myth started around 2015 and based on one bad study. John Stossel explains:

Now things may have changed since 2015. You'd have to ask why if that's your new claim. Bet ya the Biden years have moved stats more than a bit.

[Aristides]

13 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

That's a myth started around 2015 and based on one bad study. John Stossel explains:

Now things may have changed since 2015. You'd have to ask why if that's your new claim. Bet ya the Biden years have moved stats more than a bit.

What the hell are you talking about? Any idiot can look up firearms death rates an population densities. Biden has nothing to do with either.

[Aristides]

The US is the only country in the world with more guns than people, per capita, twice as many as the next two highest, Serbia and Yemen.

[Infidel Dog]

54 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The US is the only country in the world with more guns than people, per capita, twice as many as the next two highest, Serbia and Yemen.

Which makes it even more amazing that America is not even close to having the most mass shootings per capita world wide, but does make it pretty much impossible that you could grab all the guns without going full-on totalitarian. 

Whether you know that or have just bought into the nonsense narrative that supporting more government control somehow makes you morally superior that's what it's really about. Scooping up control on the way to total political control. That's all control over guns, health care, the environment or whatever's next is ever really about.

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Which makes it even more amazing that America is not even close to having the most mass shootings per capita world wide, but does make it pretty much impossible that you could grab all the guns without going full-on totalitarian. 

Whether you know that or have just bought into the nonsense narrative that supporting more government control somehow makes you morally superior that's what it's really about. Scooping up control on the way to total political control. That's all control over guns, health care, the environment or whatever's next is ever really about.

Who has more that isn’t one of the world’s armpits?

Who is talking about grabbing all the guns but you? 

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Who has more that isn’t one of the world’s armpits?

Who is talking about grabbing all the guns but you? 

Well if you don't want to grab the guns what do you want?

Be sure to be as cryptic or diversionary as possible if you finally dare to answer that one. Because, of course, that's going to impress us. 

Now as to which countries lead the US (or at least did by records up 2015) in mass shootings there's tons of links to that but try this one from the New York Post:

America doesn’t actually lead the world in mass shootings

or this one from Crime Prevention Research Center:

How a Botched Study Fooled the World About the U.S. Share of Mass Public Shootings: U.S. Rate is Lower than Global Average

where you'll find comment like:

"Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States."

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Well if you don't want to grab the guns what do you want?

 

You just had three major mass shootings where two of the perps bought their weapons two days before and the third two hours before. What the hell do you think? 

 

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For example, Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/do-mass-shootings-occur-more-often-in-france-switzerland-and-finland-than-in-the-united-states/

Edited June 8, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

There are plenty of countries with far denser populations than the US which have very few gun murders. Like Japan and every Western European country.

Cool. What's ur point?

Look mate, we're talking about the USA here. A nation born from war. And a young nation.

A nation who's government has to take the public seriously...because they're armed.

[Aristides]

38 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Cool. What's ur point?

Look mate, we're talking about the USA here. A nation born from war. And a young nation.

A nation who's government has to take the public seriously...because they're armed.

Many, if not most nations were born from war, including all of Europe. We fought you lot, twice. 
 

The US is almost 250 years old. Time to grow up and start acting like adults. 
 

“Democracy” at the point of a gun. The biggest gun rules. Elections be dammed.

Civilized nations use rule of law, not rule of gun.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Many, if not most nations were born from war, including all of Europe. We fought you lot, twice. 
 

The US is almost 250 years old. Time to grow up and start acting like adults. 
 

“Democracy” at the point of a gun. The biggest gun rules. Elections be dammed.

Civilized nations use rule of law, not rule of gun.

Errr...little secret...

The right to own guns IS the law in the USA.

Time to grow up and learn to read.

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Errr...little secret...

The right to own guns IS the law in the USA.

Time to grow up and learn to read.

I know it is. It's a reason that country is so screwed up, yet somehow you are proud of it.

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

I know it is. It's a reason that country is so screwed up, yet somehow you are proud of it.

 

Well...you know "sepoes" Aristites.

[marcus]

On 5/25/2022 at 8:34 AM, Nationalist said:

Removing the 2nd amendment is a non-starter in the USA. It just is. And when these slaughters happen, its a direct result of the 2nd amendment. People can get guns and the sick-os will use them in horrific ways. That is something the American public will either have to accept in order to hang onto the 2nd amendment, or address the amendment directly. HOWEVER...

The vast majority of gun violence in the USA is NOT a result of these news-making slaughters, but the daily slaughter that goes UNREPORTED by anyone (excepting FOX NEWS). This endless daily slaughter is destroying cities and making a mockery of the law with the current coddling these criminals get from the Libbie mayors and DAs in these cities.

If the USofA really wants to maintain the 2nd amendment as is, yet also want to reduce gun violence, they will have to undo this war on cops and the legal system. Turn the cops loose to do their jobs, and make Gawd Damn sure offenders go to jail for a long long time.

There is a war going on in Chicago, in NYC, Baltimore, LA, and all sorts of other cities. The gangs have no fear of the law anymore. They brazenly open fire in residential neighbourhoods. The police and the entire legal system must respond by joining the war and crushing it mercilessly.

The crazed slaughters will continue, but with some good police work and good convictions, with an end to this paralyzing partisan bickering and a return to a safe neighbourhood, the USofA could drastically reduce "gun crime". But that would mean ignoring the loud and destructive voices of the "Progressives"...people who IMO, should be the ones the DOJ investigate for...terrorism.

The constitution is designed to be a living and evolving document. This is the same document that did not give women the right to vote and did not provide equal rights to black people. This century requires a different approach to guns than the 1700’s…the guns are not even the same guns. Gun violence is a human rights issue and it’s time to revisit the 2nd amendment as other aspects of the constitution were visited. This is not a partisan issue, it’s a matter of public safety.

[Aristides]

Everything has been made a partisan issue. That's why the world is going to hell in a hand basket, we fight with each other and nothing gets solved because we have to "win". Whatever that means.

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, marcus said:

The constitution is designed to be a living and evolving document. This is the same document that did not give women the right to vote and did not provide equal rights to black people. This century requires a different approach to guns than the 1700’s…the guns are not even the same guns. Gun violence is a human rights issue and it’s time to revisit the 2nd amendment as other aspects of the constitution were visited. This is not a partisan issue, it’s a matter of public safety.

And how will you be safe if you're disarmed and the criminals are armed?

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And how will you be safe if you're disarmed and the criminals are armed?

You aren't safe if everyone is armed. You would think that should have sunk in by now but you just keep doubling down on the same insanity with the same results.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Aristides

[CRABGRABBER]

I call false flag. They're staging these in order to justify taking our guns.

[eyeball]

On 6/11/2022 at 9:49 AM, Aristides said:

Everything has been made a partisan issue. That's why the world is going to hell in a hand basket, we fight with each other and nothing gets solved because we have to "win". Whatever that means.

It simply means never ceding the possibility the other side may be correct on occasion. That also gets you off the hook for when you're wrong.

[Yzermandius19]

On 6/8/2022 at 10:44 AM, Aristides said:

I know it is. It's a reason that country is so screwed up, yet somehow you are proud of it.

America problems have nothing to do with the second amendment

their problems are in spite of it, not because of it

they have plenty of reasons to be proud of it

Edited June 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

America problems have nothing to do with the second amendment

their problems are in spite of it, not because of it

they have plenty of reasons to be proud of it

There is no reason to be proud of it. 

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

There is no reason to be proud of it. 

there is plenty of reason to be proud of it

[Aristides]

18 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

there is plenty of reason to be proud of it

Like what, the highest firearm homicide rate in the developed world?