War In Ukraine

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I declaim it as totalitarian Communist lunacy

and as such, I just don't identify with the Confederation which made them

I still feel like an Upper Canadian Loyalist

but the rest of Canada is alien to me now

now I know what the Quebec Nationalists want and why they want that

and now I want what they want too,

I just want to hold on to my British heritage & governance like they want to theirs

I want what French Canada wants for British Canada

which is autonomy from the Confederation, a much weaker Confederation without all this centralized power

 

I have to say...that's sad but understandable.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I have to say...that's sad but understandable.

t's no different than falling out of love with Toronto

I grew up in Toronto the Good

I was Mr. Torontonian

I didn't want to live anywhere except downtown Toronto

 but it's not Toronto the Good anymore, it's not my city anymore

so I can't stand Toronto now, I almost never go there,

Toronto was the ultimate Upper Canadian city when I arrived there

but it is just no that anymore, Toronto is alien to me now

[athos]

The new offensive of the Ukrainian army has just begun

[athos]

 

One-sided generosity in action

 

 

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

t's no different than falling out of love with Toronto

I grew up in Toronto the Good

I was Mr. Torontonian

I didn't want to live anywhere except downtown Toronto

 but it's not Toronto the Good anymore, it's not my city anymore

so I can't stand Toronto now, I almost never go there,

Toronto was the ultimate Upper Canadian city when I arrived there

but it is just no that anymore, Toronto is alien to me now

That I can agree with. As soon as I retire, I'm outta here.

[Moonbox]

On 4/20/2023 at 2:52 AM, athos said:

America financed Hitler.

No, they financed the USSR:

Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/#:~:text=Totaling %2411.3 billion%2C or %24180,common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

 

[Moonbox]

Doesn't matter.  This paid Russian toady isn't actually here to debate anything.  

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That I can agree with. As soon as I retire, I'm outta here.

the GTA is one third of the Canadian population

Quebec is another third

if you are not loyal to Toronto nor Quebec ?

that is two thirds of Canada that you are not loyal to

hence why Nationalism for Confederation makes no logical sense

the component parts of Canada all being in conflict with each other

Canada only works as a monarchy, each part of Canada having its own relationship with the Crown

Quebec not even signatory to the Canada Act 1982, Quebec still governed by the BNA act 1867 by default

thus why I am a Monarchist, the House of Windsor being the only unified Canadian nation

God, King, Country

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

Victoria Regina Imperatrix : Pro Patria

Vive la Canadienne : Je me souviens

[Aristides]

Russian Bombs Own City

[Moonbox]

Powerful, smart, brave Russian soldiers, doing the needful.    ?

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Russian Bombs Own City

Russia's dysfunctional lack of an effective air force being Ukraine's salvation in the end

you cannot win a land war without combined arms air land battle

Slava Ukraini

[Dougie93]

if only America would provide the true Cossack nation with the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon "Viper"

the Russians would stand no chance

[Moonbox]

It's okay man.  The Russians bomb themselves with their own jets already.  

[Dougie93]

at this juncture, Article V is irrelevant

as no people have fought harder, sacrificed more for NATO : than the Ukrainians

thus, I am prepared to pull out all the stops for them

I am prepared to go to war for them

Article V has been breached in spirit

and that human spirit is all that matters

NATO Secretary Jens Stoletenburg has said as much :

NATO chief: Ukraine's 'rightful place' is in the alliance

[athos]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

at this juncture, Article V is irrelevant

as no people have fought harder, sacrificed more for NATO : than the Ukrainians

thus, I am prepared to pull out all the stops for them

I am prepared to go to war for them

Article V has been breached in spirit

and that human spirit is all that matters

NATO Secretary Jens Stoletenburg has said as much :

NATO chief: Ukraine's 'rightful place' is in the alliance

It won't change anything. Russia will also remove the Nazi cancer from its body named Ukraine as well as the evil Anglo-Khazarian NATO.

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It's okay man.  The Russians bomb themselves with their own jets already.  

It's called Fog of War stuff, my dear, war-cheering i d i o t s. But while you people chuckle and guffaw about the Ukraine in your comfortable dens, in between playing rounds of Call of Duty, a more important question is: What will the Rus' next mistake be?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

But while you people chuckle and guffaw about the Ukraine in your comfortable dens, in between playing rounds of Call of Duty, a more important question is: What will the Rus' next mistake be?

I'm going with 'pulls pin on grenade - throws pin and keeps grenade by mistake" .

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm going with 'pulls pin on grenade - throws pin and keeps grenade by mistake" .

Sure. Hey what version are you playing?

[Nationalist]

There's a lot of people who will say anything, in order to perpetuate war. Hell, it's gotten so ridiculous that now some claim if and when Ukraine loses the Eastern regions, which they already have, it'll be a "win"...for NATO and the USA.

This line of thinking completely dismisses the sheer carnage of the war. Such an attitude is sick and openy displays the primary reason so many are now turning away from NATO, the EU, the USA, and the US Dollar.

BRICKS is now outperforming the USD. At some point, people need to admit that suicide is a bad idea.

Edited April 22, 2023 by Nationalist

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It's called Fog of War stuff, my dear, war-cheering i d i o t s. But while you people chuckle and guffaw about the Ukraine in your comfortable dens, in between playing rounds of Call of Duty, a more important question is: What will the Rus' next mistake be?

well to be clear, I am not cheering on the war

particularly as we are at the brink of World War Three

the sooner this ends, the better

I simply subscribe to the conops of Curtis E. LeMay

which is that more you engage in half measures;  the more you extend the war

and thus the most humanitarian thing to do

is win the war, decisively, pull out all the stops and get it done, ASAP

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

well to be clear, I am not cheering on the war

particularly as we are at the brink of World War Three

the sooner this ends, the better

I simply subscribe to the conops of Curtis E. LeMay

which is that more you engage in half measures;  the more you extend the war

and thus the most humanitarian thing to do

is win the war, decisively, pull out all the stops and get it done, ASAP

Or, the few sane people left in the world could demand a ceasefire.   ?

There's a word that is hardly in the dialogue.

Going to total war is like rolling dice with complete catastrophe being a number that could come up. I wouldn't place any bets. But too late now, the switch is tripped and there are few realistic options. 

But I would guess Russia won't back down, any more than USA or China would.

They are instead hunkering down for a long war. Now that China will supply them with ammo and other equipment, the clock ticks closer to nuclear midnight. If it's WW3, there will be a-bombs. Sure why not. Been there done that.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Or, the few sane people left in the world could demand a ceasefire.   ?

just another half measure

that wouldn't even last a day

this is a war of annihaltion

simply telling them to stop is hand waving

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

But I would guess Russia won't back down, any more than USA or China would.

I would guess that Russia would back down, when they were facing imminent defeat

that's the only anyone ever backs down in a war

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

There's a word that is hardly in the dialogue.

simply demanding "ceasefire" from two opponents locked in a total war of annihilation is not a dialogue

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

They are instead hunkering down for a long war. Now that China will supply them with ammo and other equipment, the clock ticks closer to nuclear midnight. If it's WW3, there will be a-bombs. Sure why not. Been there done that.

if it was just A-bombs, that wouldn't be so bad

but since it is H-bombs

that is a much more existential problem

Edited April 22, 2023 by Dougie93