As Canadians we need to promote unity, peace and law and order, not civil unrest and division.

[blackbird]

What we have been witnessing the last few weeks is chaos, illegal acts, and attempted subversion of our democratically-elected government.  People may not agree with everything the government does, but we all have an obligation to support law and order, civility, and a united country.  Without that we descend into chaos, division, and harm to countless fellow Canadians.  Surely that is not something we want to happen.  We should have learned that lesson from studying the history of Europe over the past 500 years.  It has been a period of unprecedented wars, division, chaos, and death.  Lets find ways to work together and heal our divisions.  We can disagree on certain things, but there should be a limit to how far we push those disagreements.  Law-breaking under the guise of peaceful protesting is not the answer.  That drags us down the road of harm and anarchy.  We have seen enough of that lately to know that.  Our leaders have not set the best example either.  By their poor choice of words and thoughts, they have generated more hostility and division.  This is not the answer.

[Jack9000]

I agree but I really don't think that will ever fully happen the far right crowd in this country is slower getting bigger and bigger and is now big enough to cause damage

[West]

Coming from the guy who promotes segregation and job loss over a vaccine...

[Zeitgeist]

You’re living under totalitarianism.  The governing party claims to be liberal-democrat but they are the de facto opposite.  I’d love for us all to hold hands and talk, but the Trudeau government has expressed extreme contempt for the opposition and won’t even discuss concerns.  In Trudeau’s Canada the opposition are “racists and misogynists”.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Jack9000]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re living under totalitarianism.  The governing party claims to be liberal-democrat but they are the de facto opposite.  I’d love for us all to hold hands and talk, but the Trudeau government has expressed extreme contempt for the opposition and won’t even discuss concerns.  In Trudeau’s Canada the opposition are “racists and misogynists”.

Some people in the convoy  were racist and misogynists  not the whole damn  opposition stop pushing your  false agenda dude.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Jack9000 said:

Some people in the convoy  were racist and misogynists  not the whole damn  opposition stop pushing your  false agenda dude.

Well they haven’t started putting handcuffs on the Parliamentary opposition yet.  I wonder if they would have if any of them were at the protest.  That’s when politicians really have skin in the game, like the King of Denmark wearing the Star of David in the Holocaust.  

Edited February 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

I agree but I really don't think that will ever fully happen the far right crowd in this country is slower getting bigger and bigger and is now big enough to cause damage

They succeed by denying that they're far right.

Anti Muslim, anti immigrant, telling Jagmeet Singh to go back to India... this is the leadership.

Then they blubber with indignant rage when people call it out.

It's a far worse and more evident hypocrisy than the hypocrisy of the government, so it's not sustainable.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re living under totalitarianism.  

From folks who tried to topple the government with a few hundred trucks.

I sympathize with discontent but organized movements need to be better than this.

[CITIZEN_2015]

All true and I agree. Canada is democracy as we elect our government, however governments should listen more to the people and reflect their views and concerns. In some areas there is little difference between the major political parties like immigration or Health care policies.

No party dares to publicly make it a platform to cut immigration and/or be more selective in immigrants so that what is happening in Europe where immigrants from North Africa and Middle East with totally different cultures causing cultural issues does not happen in Canada. 

Another example is having a Private Health Care system. Our health system is crumbling and tens of thousands of people (our parents and grandparents) dying needlessly by medical errors or overwhelmed doctors and nurses and none of the parties putting a two tiered health system on their platform.

In summary there is little difference when it comes to some major issues like it might as well be a one party system!!!!

Edited February 21, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Jack9000]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They succeed by denying that they're far right.

Anti Muslim, anti immigrant, telling Jagmeet Singh to go back to India... this is the leadership.

Then they blubber with indignant rage when people call it out.

It's a far worse and more evident hypocrisy than the hypocrisy of the government, so it's not sustainable.

Yes i know the majority will say they arn't far right and that you are a nazi or facist instead .

[West]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They succeed by denying that they're far right.

Anti Muslim, anti immigrant, telling Jagmeet Singh to go back to India... this is the leadership.

Then they blubber with indignant rage when people call it out.

It's a far worse and more evident hypocrisy than the hypocrisy of the government, so it's not sustainable.

 

[Zeitgeist]

43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

From folks who tried to topple the government with a few hundred trucks.

I sympathize with discontent but organized movements need to be better than this.

Of course racism is bad and must be called out.  Stop shouting that the sky is blue.  Where racism is evident it must always be called out.

Don’t cry racism every time people raise legitimate concerns about government policy.  For the vast majority of protesters the concerns are vaccine mandates and respecting Charter rights like medical discretion.  The Charter IS the guarantor of the rights and freedoms of minorities, including racialized people!   Of course!

Don’t play the cynical and false game of painting everyone with the same brush.  That’s how movements like Solidarity in Poland got discredited, as extremist threats to the state.  The Maoist Cultural Revolution labeled the opposition counter-revolutionary.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Jack9000 said:

Yes i know the majority will say they arn't far right and that you are a nazi or facist instead .

I dont know any of these "far right" you refer to. I do know a lot of Canadians who, like me, hear the media and politicians but have the brains to double-check the message, when it begins to sound questionable. 

I also know a lot of Canadians who dont think mandates and dictates are acceptable at all. Especially when said mandates and dictates make no sense. Are unsupportable tripe.

And then there's the Canadians who watch on in disgust as our PM cowers and hides from his own people. 

But "far right"? No...I just dont know any of them...whoever they are.

[Nationalist]

50 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Of course racism is bad and must be called out.  Stop shouting that the sky is blue.  Where racism is evident it must always be called out.

Don’t cry racism every time people raise legitimate concerns about government policy.  For the vast majority of protesters the concerns are vaccine mandates and respecting Charter rights like medical discretion.  The Charter IS the guarantor of the rights and freedoms of minorities, including racialized people!   Of course!

Don’t play the cynical and false game of painting everyone with the same brush.  That’s how movements like Solidarity in Poland got discredited, as extremist threats to the state.  The Maoist Cultural Revolution labeled the opposition counter-revolutionary.

But...but...but...

If you take the race card away...they'll be naked!

Do you really wanna see them fully naked? Not pretty...

?

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

What we have been witnessing the last few weeks is chaos, illegal acts, and attempted subversion of our democratically-elected government.  People may not agree with everything the government does, but we all have an obligation to support law and order, civility, and a united country.  Without that we descend into chaos, division, and harm to countless fellow Canadians.  Surely that is not something we want to happen.  We should have learned that lesson from studying the history of Europe over the past 500 years.  It has been a period of unprecedented wars, division, chaos, and death.  Lets find ways to work together and heal our divisions.  We can disagree on certain things, but there should be a limit to how far we push those disagreements.  Law-breaking under the guise of peaceful protesting is not the answer.  That drags us down the road of harm and anarchy.  We have seen enough of that lately to know that.  Our leaders have not set the best example either.  By their poor choice of words and thoughts, they have generated more hostility and division.  This is not the answer.

Nice soliloquy. Let's see here...

Chaos? What chaos? It was and will remain, a peaceful and orderly protest. Show me the chaos.

When a government over steps its bounds, it is the right and responsibility of the citizenry to protest and effect a correction. Or would you disagree? 

You claim to desire unity. Yet is it unity under your direction? Or it unity brought about by something we used to call...

COMPROMISE. 

For a democracy to function FOR THE CITIZENRY it must bring both liberal and conservative together to negotiate a direction that both sides can accept.

A democracy fails when one side refuses to negotiate and attempts to use force to impose dictates. That never works...just ask the Russians or the French or even the Yankees.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Nationalist

[suds]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

What we have been witnessing the last few weeks is chaos, illegal acts, and attempted subversion of our democratically-elected government.  People may not agree with everything the government does, but we all have an obligation to support law and order, civility, and a united country.  Without that we descend into chaos, division, and harm to countless fellow Canadians.  Surely that is not something we want to happen.  We should have learned that lesson from studying the history of Europe over the past 500 years.  It has been a period of unprecedented wars, division, chaos, and death.  Lets find ways to work together and heal our divisions.  We can disagree on certain things, but there should be a limit to how far we push those disagreements.  Law-breaking under the guise of peaceful protesting is not the answer.  That drags us down the road of harm and anarchy.  We have seen enough of that lately to know that.  Our leaders have not set the best example either.  By their poor choice of words and thoughts, they have generated more hostility and division.  This is not the answer.

There is a fundamental difference between 'rule of law' and 'rule by law'.  'Rule of law' demands that all laws apply equally to all persons and that no person is above the law (or  below the law).  On the other hand, 'Rule by law' can be used more arbitrarily allowing the law to be used as a tool against certain groups of protesters or political enemies. I hope we can all agree that 'rule of law' is what all Canadians (and politicians) should be striving for as advocated by the world's leading philosophers for the last 2000 years. Jagmeet Singh last week supported Trudeau's 'Emergencies Act' on the condition it never be used against indigenous land defenders, climate change activists, or workers fighting for fairness. Trudeau had long ago prejudged all the freedom convoy protesters as having views that were unacceptable to him which is not a crime in this country. This is basically my problem with the enactment of the legislation.

[West]

10 minutes ago, suds said:

or workers fighting for fairness. 

That should theoretically include the convoy. Of course Jagmeet only means the Unions who butter his bread

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

I agree but I really don't think that will ever fully happen the far right crowd in this country is slower getting bigger and bigger and is now big enough to cause damage

But don't forget about these guys:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rcmp-coastal-gaslink-bc-violence-investigating-1.6356257

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

From folks who tried to topple the government with a few hundred trucks.

I sympathize with discontent but organized movements need to be better than this.

How did they try to "topple the government"?  The Jan. 6 comparisons just don't work.

[Jack9000]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

But don't forget about these guys:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rcmp-coastal-gaslink-bc-violence-investigating-1.6356257

I already said the people who did that need to be arrested and charged  so not sure what point you getting at.. i ain't a big fan of pipeline projects but I  don't believe in violence against them and people working on it either.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How did they try to "topple the government"?  The Jan. 6 comparisons just don't work.

Going by their demands to meet with the Senate and Governor General to bypass parliament, to form coalitions with opposition parties...

Of course they're politically illiterate so I'm not saying that this was going to Succeed any more than Jan 6th did.

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Going by their demands to meet with the Senate and Governor General to bypass parliament, to form coalitions with opposition parties...

Of course they're politically illiterate so I'm not saying that this was going to Succeed any more than Jan 6th did.

Again, you’re saying something is something other than what it is and making sweeping generalizations.  It’s like saying all rich people are oppressors or all workers are revolutionaries.  Oversimplification can be very dangerous.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

What we have been witnessing the last few weeks is chaos, illegal acts, and attempted subversion of our democratically-elected government.  People may not agree with everything the government does, but we all have an obligation to support law and order, civility, and a united country.  Without that we descend into chaos, division, and harm to countless fellow Canadians.  Surely that is not something we want to happen.  We should have learned that lesson from studying the history of Europe over the past 500 years.  It has been a period of unprecedented wars, division, chaos, and death.  Lets find ways to work together and heal our divisions.  We can disagree on certain things, but there should be a limit to how far we push those disagreements.  Law-breaking under the guise of peaceful protesting is not the answer.  That drags us down the road of harm and anarchy.  We have seen enough of that lately to know that.  Our leaders have not set the best example either.  By their poor choice of words and thoughts, they have generated more hostility and division.  This is not the answer.

You openly support hate mongering for God's sake. Even 2 members of Trudeau's own party had to speak against him, along with Bill Maher, Elon Musk, and everyone else with any brains. Our own propagandist broadcast media completely ignored it.

There's no turning back now. 

This division will never end as long as Trudeau is in power.

That doesn't mean that he won't get re-elected by the people who were dumb enough to re-elect him in 2021, it just means that hatred, hostility and division is here to stay. 

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Again, you’re saying something is something other than what it is and making sweeping generalizations.

This is what they themselves said. How is it a generalization to repeat their words?  A generalization would take their words and put them into a general category that didn't represent their goals.

 

But they said these things.  Don't blame me.

[West]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You openly support hate mongering for God's sake. Even 2 members of Trudeau's own party had to speak against him, along with Bill Maher, Elon Musk, and everyone else with any brains. Our own propagandist broadcast media completely ignored it.

There's no turning back now. 

This division will never end as long as Trudeau is in power.

That doesn't mean that he won't get re-elected by the people who were dumb enough to re-elect him in 2021, it just means that hatred, hostility and division is here to stay. 

When a leftist "promotes unity" what they mean is think the same as them or they'll ruin you