West Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Some ridiculous arguments I hear from leftists on here: 1. I have a right to deny you basic human rights because the majority agrees with me 2. Government mandates such as making it illegal for someone to treat an unvaccinated person with dignity by allowing them to sit at a table in a restaurant or firing someone over a jab aren't actually an infringement on bodily autonomy. 3. Governments intruding into your personal finances for giving to a protest that they disagree with aren't actually a violation of your privacy or human rights. 4. You can protest but only as long as the government allows you to. Failure to accept that makes you a radical and a treasonous individual. 5. God is okay with human rights violation because he supports all governments no matter their actions. 6. Coercing someone to do something against their will is totally fine and not a violation of human rights. 7. You are selfish for wanting autonomy over your body free from government coercion and manipulation. 8. A healthy person not staying home or wearing a mask is akin to killing a grandmother. Are we being gaslight by the left? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Quote “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” Carl Sagan I feel like these ones who bought into this particular "bamboozle", no longer have any morals left. In their own minds, they are able to justify anything they do to others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, West said: Some ridiculous arguments I hear from leftists on here: 1. I have a right to deny you basic human rights because the majority agrees with me 2. Government mandates such as making it illegal for someone to treat an unvaccinated person with dignity by allowing them to sit at a table in a restaurant or firing someone over a jab aren't actually an infringement on bodily autonomy. 3. Governments intruding into your personal finances for giving to a protest that they disagree with aren't actually a violation of your privacy or human rights. 4. You can protest but only as long as the government allows you to. Failure to accept that makes you a radical and a treasonous individual. 5. God is okay with human rights violation because he supports all governments no matter their actions. 6. Coercing someone to do something against their will is totally fine and not a violation of human rights. 7. You are selfish for wanting autonomy over your body free from government coercion and manipulation. 8. A healthy person not staying home or wearing a mask is akin to killing a grandmother. 9. Are we being gaslight by the left? Ridiculous arguments on the other side: 1. I get to define something as a right and demand the law be changed to suit me 2. Going to Arby's is now a human right 3. Funding illegal activities should be OK if I like the activity. 4. There should be no limit to the damage people can do if I agree with them. 5. I can put God in an argument and people should take it seriously 6. Laws don't apply to me 7. Me me me me me... also ME 8. I want to cough on your grandmother because I want to. 9. I am ridiculous. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Ridiculous arguments on the other side: 1. I get to define something as a right and demand the law be changed to suit me 2. Going to Arby's is now a human right 3. Funding illegal activities should be OK if I like the activity. 4. There should be no limit to the damage people can do if I agree with them. 5. I can put God in an argument and people should take it seriously 6. Laws don't apply to me 7. Me me me me me... also ME 8. I want to cough on your grandmother because I want to. 9. I am ridiculous. ? Sounds like you there tough guy. All about you and your irrational fear of those without the poke. I forgot: -Those who disagree with me on vaccines are by definition disease carriers and should not be allowed equal access to goods and services. Edited February 17, 2022 by West 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. I get to define something as a right and demand the law be changed to suit me Very disingenuous. The Charter defines our rights. It is the government that is changing the Charter to suit themselves. The rest of your post is just.....silliness. Try to add some adult thoughts next time. Edited February 17, 2022 by Goddess 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Ridiculous arguments on the other side: 1. I get to define something as a right and demand the law be changed to suit me 2. Going to Arby's is now a human right 3. Funding illegal activities should be OK if I like the activity. 4. There should be no limit to the damage people can do if I agree with them. 5. I can put God in an argument and people should take it seriously 6. Laws don't apply to me 7. Me me me me me... also ME 8. I want to cough on your grandmother because I want to. 9. I am ridiculous. everything you said is 100% correct and to respond to this stupid topic no you guys are not being gaslighted by leftists . Edited February 17, 2022 by Jack9000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: everything you said is 100% correct and to respond to this stupid topic no you guys are not being gaslighted by leftists . We most certainly are being gaslighted by the leftists. They can't come to grips with the fact that people can disagree with them and still not want their grandmothers dead. They have legitimate deeply personal concerns about the vaccine and should not be punished for wrongthink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Bet every single one of you anti-vax are ok with laws dictating what people of faith can wear. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Goddess said: Very disingenuous. The Charter defines our rights. It is the government that is changing the Charter to suit themselves. The rest of your post is just.....silliness. Try to add some adult thoughts next time. They most certainly are gaslighting us here. You are a bad person for assessing the risks of the vaccine and making a choice that's right for you. You must be punished for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, West said: We most certainly are being gaslighted by the leftists. They can't come to grips with the fact that people can disagree with them and still not want their grandmothers dead. They have legitimate deeply personal concerns about the vaccine and should not be punished for wrongthink you are not being punished if you don't take the vaccine lol. You can't fly or go on a train big deal its not the end of the world. You can't eat out also not a big deal its called consequences for your decision. Eventually those things will be lifted also. to think you guys on here are comparing that to hitler or martial law is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, dialamah said: Bet every single one of you anti-vax are ok with laws dictating what people of faith can wear. Because it's not CANADIAN to wear a religious costume - unless you're a nun. And every Canadian remember the first time they coughed on a grandmother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexii Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 The thing is the right hasn't really been that much better. They don't want people to be able to decide themselves on things like abortion, hormone medications for transgenders, marijuana, etc. Only lately has the left become more authoritarian and terrifying. I can't back the Libs or NDP as they have gone off the woke deep end. However, can I really back the CPC when god knows what the religious whacko wing of the party will try to pass to make my life harder? Right now the PPC is probably the best choice which is a bit scary too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: you are not being punished if you don't take the vaccine lol. You can't fly or go on a train big deal its not the end of the world. You can't eat out also not a big deal its called consequences for your decision. Eventually those things will be lifted also. to think you guys on here are comparing that to hitler or martial law is laughable. You aren't serious.. I've got family in the United States. If I travel down there and have to isolate for 14 days when I return, how am I not being punished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nexii said: 1. Right now the PPC is probably the best choice which is a bit scary too 1. Oh God no. Just wait for a sensible Conservative leader to come in and you'll be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, West said: You aren't serious.. I've got family in the United States. If I travel down there and have to isolate for 14 days when I return, how am I not being punished? you considering isolatiing a punishment? damn lol.. find something to do for 2 weeks watch some movie series its not a life punishment lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Nexii said: The thing is the right hasn't really been that much better. They don't want people to be able to decide themselves on things like abortion, hormone medications for transgenders, marijuana, etc. Only lately has the left become more authoritarian and terrifying. I can't back the Libs or NDP as they have gone off the woke deep end. However, can I really back the CPC when god knows what the religious whacko wing of the party will try to pass to make my life harder? Right now the PPC is probably the best choice which is a bit scary too i dunno about that if the ppc ever got into power they would even be stricter then the cons are on religion etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Oh God no. Just wait for a sensible Conservative leader to come in and you'll be fine. Ya but the kooks in the party don't like the sensible ones, they want a hardcore kook like them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jack9000 said: you considering isolatiing a punishment? damn lol.. find something to do for 2 weeks watch some movie series its not a life punishment lol. You do realize we all work and that two weeks basically makes any sort of travel non-feasible right? Covid is all over the place. How is mandatory isolation doing anything at this point? Edited February 17, 2022 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Ridiculous arguments on the other side: 1. I get to define something as a right and demand the law be changed to suit me 2. Going to Arby's is now a human right 3. Funding illegal activities should be OK if I like the activity. 4. There should be no limit to the damage people can do if I agree with them. 5. I can put God in an argument and people should take it seriously 6. Laws don't apply to me 7. Me me me me me... also ME 8. I want to cough on your grandmother because I want to. 9. I am ridiculous. Here's the difference between the OP's list and yours. His actually happens. Yours is more what you'd like to believe. Something I call, Prog Reality - where it doesn't matter if it's actually real as long as the prog would like it to be real to make his imaginary point. Edited February 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said: Here's the difference between the OP's list and yours. His actually happens. Yours is more what you'd like to believe. Something I call, Prog Reality - where it doesn't matter if it's actually real. The difference between me and them is I'm not coercing or forcing them to do anything. If they genuinely believe the masks and vaccines work, wear three and take 12. I don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 But maybe you should thank Mike for answering your question - Are we being gaslighted by the leftists - by trying to gaslight you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) It's gaslighting 100%. The nearby shops in Ottawa aren't closed, people in them aren't being harassed, there's no vandalism, monuments aren't being desecrated, the horn-honking ends at 6pm sharp, there's no racism, there's no misogyny, there's a lot of partying.... and basically everything that you hear from Trudeau, Singh and the MSM is 100% bullshit. It's exactly like the last 7 years, but instead of news that's coming in from different parts of the country and the globe, where the MSM can control a lot of the narrative, this is all in one local place and FBers, bloggers and youtubers can all be there to show the true version of what's happening. The media's credibility gap is exploding right now because more and more people are unable to correlate the limited clips that they're seeing on the MSM with what they see in far greater detail on social media. It's like completely different events. Trudeau can't put an end to this fast enough. That's why they're going after people's money, their businesses, their vehicles, their licenses and everything else. With all the damage that's now being done to individuals and their businesses, it seems like this is turning out to be the kind of protest that leftists enjoy after all. Edited February 17, 2022 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: Are we being gaslight by the left? You guys are gaslighting yourselves. Honestly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You guys are gaslighting yourselves. Honestly. He gaslit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Is this Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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