Make it Known, Canadians Will Start Boycotting Vaccines

[Nexii]

Somewhere around 25% of ICU cases are the unvaccinated. With 10% of the population being unvaccinated, that means they are occupying beds at 2.5x the rate of the vaccinated. It's certainly not the 10-20x the rate of previous variants.

So at most if every single unvaccinated got the shot it'd be 25% less cases total. But nope, it's less than that because the vax is only about 60-70% effective. So that reduces vaccinating the last 10% of the population down to around 16% less ICU cases total.

The real problem is hospital and ICU beds per capita has gone down over time. Canada used to have 7 per 1000 capita in the 1980s now we're at like 2.5 per 1000. There just isn't capacity I guess we're spending on everything but places for sick people to recover.

[West]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

I find it hilarious (in a very sad way) that you guys want to go back over a year to when we had no vaccines. Just what do you think would happen if we did?

Who said that? Offer the vaccines to the most at risk and let everyone else decide on what they want to put in their own body. 

Pretty simple concept

[West]

2 hours ago, Nexii said:

Somewhere around 25% of ICU cases are the unvaccinated. With 10% of the population being unvaccinated, that means they are occupying beds at 2.5x the rate of the vaccinated. It's certainly not the 10-20x the rate of previous variants.

So at most if every single unvaccinated got the shot it'd be 25% less cases total. But nope, it's less than that because the vax is only about 60-70% effective. So that reduces vaccinating the last 10% of the population down to around 16% less ICU cases total.

The real problem is hospital and ICU beds per capita has gone down over time. Canada used to have 7 per 1000 capita in the 1980s now we're at like 2.5 per 1000. There just isn't capacity I guess we're spending on everything but places for sick people to recover.

Agree with you the issue is population growth and under funding, not because some 20 year old university student didn't take a jab

[Aristides]

34 minutes ago, West said:

Who said that? Offer the vaccines to the most at risk and let everyone else decide on what they want to put in their own body. 

Pretty simple concept

That's what is happening. No one is being forced to be vaccinated but there are always consequences to choices no matter what they are. 

[West]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

That's what is happening. No one is being forced to be vaccinated but there are always consequences to choices no matter what they are. 

So it's not really a choice. Just a bunch of white guys trying to tell you what to do to your body in order to work. 

Only sick people are okay with that 

[myata]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

are holding a whole country ransom.

Maybe not ransom, but rather from going back to its blissful trance-sleep? All is going to the plan... for as long as necessary... yes, we need another lockdown.. sure, it's falling again... at 25 now... no was it thirty seven? Do I really want to wake up?

[Aristides]

9 hours ago, myata said:

Maybe not ransom, but rather from going back to its blissful trance-sleep? All is going to the plan... for as long as necessary... yes, we need another lockdown.. sure, it's falling again... at 25 now... no was it thirty seven? Do I really want to wake up?

What is going to plan, destroying the economy and making things worse? It won’t be this bunch that has to clean up the mess they are making. There is no plan other than jumping up and down and breaking windows. I have never heard a constructive argument from you, just complaints about others.

[myata]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What is going to plan, destroying the economy and making things worse?

You nailed it.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You nailed it.

Like I said, you have never made a single constructive suggestion on this forum. You are all about tearing things down with no plan. You are just mad at the world and want to break stuff.

[OftenWrong]

Truckers demands:

1) Terminate vaccine passports

2) Terminate vaccine mandates

3) End divisive rhetoric

Nothing there about "overthrowing the government", although it's not a bad idea in principle.

I would add:

4) Dismiss Trudeua

Edited February 12, 2022 by OftenWrong
confirmed all spelling

[Aristides]

This is all you want for Canada and you might get it.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/braid-governments-finally-waking-up-to-convoy-menace-to-canadas-economy/wcm/ae122030-0e5a-4bdc-9ed0-62e0c2dadeb2

Trudeau is a spineless schmuk who continues to throw gas on the fire but the Conservatives are no better when it comes to using this for political purposes. However, this is a democracy, mobs don't decide who governs it. 

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

This is all you want for Canada and you might get it.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/braid-governments-finally-waking-up-to-convoy-menace-to-canadas-economy/wcm/ae122030-0e5a-4bdc-9ed0-62e0c2dadeb2

Trudeau is a spineless schmuk who continues to throw gas on the fire but the Conservatives are no better when it comes to using this for political purposes. However, this is a democracy, mobs don't decide who governs it. 

I like what you said about Trudeau there. However it's not a mob when you have from 45 - 61% support across various age groups.

Sounds like the will of the poeple

Edited February 12, 2022 by OftenWrong

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I like what you said about Trudeau there. However it's not a mob when you have from 45 - 61% support across various age groups.

Sounds like the will of the poeple

No it doesn't. A lot people support some of the things the are protesting but a majority of Canadians want them to go home. 

You have had a taste of power and it has made you drunk, with no care to how much it damages your country.

Did you even bother to read the article and think of the consequences?

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

No it doesn't. A lot people support some of the things the are protesting but a majority of Canadians want them to go home. 

You have had a taste of power and it has made you drunk, with no care to how much it damages your country.

Did you even bother to read the article and think of the consequences?

There has to be some consequences, or else you get no attention. Wholy peaceful protest is useless. It has to cause some discomfort.

The government needs to be told to stand down, and it has to hurt them if they don't. Short term economic pain for long-term gain.

I think they want to the government to do their thing, move in with the forces and take this all down. Get it all on video. The point is not to cause physical injury but political.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

There has to be some consequences, or else you get no attention. Wholy peaceful protest is useless. It has to cause some discomfort.

The government needs to be told to stand down, and it has to hurt them if they don't. Short term economic pain for long-term gain.

I think they want to the government to do their thing, move in with the forces and take this all down. Get it all on video. The point is not to cause physical injury but political.

It won't be short term. The result could be a country where young people are trying to earn a living where thousands of companies have either gone broke or moved south because Canada is no longer seen as a reliable source by our largest trading partner. Other countries will also be paying attention and making decisions accordingly. 

Long term, you are shooting yourself in the foot just to get rid of a PM you don't like. I don't like him either but I'm not an idiot.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yeah right Canadians will start boycotting vaccines!!!!!!!!.

88% received one jab so far already and 60000 more just last week.

82% received 2 shots already.

50% received third jab so far and fast increasing.

What a boycott!!!!!!!!

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I like what you said about Trudeau there. However it's not a mob when you have from 45 - 61% support across various age groups.

Sounds like the will of the poeple

Which people though and the will for what?

Quote

 

Leger surveyed 1,546 people between Feb. 4 and Feb. 6 and found that, while 62 per cent of all respondents strongly or somewhat oppose the anti-mandate message of the Freedom Convoy protest, 44 per cent of those who are fully vaccinated said they could sympathize with “the concerns and frustrations being voiced by people involved in the trucker protest in Ottawa.” One third (32 per cent) of Canadians support the message conveyed by the protesters, who are calling for no vaccine mandates and fewer public health measures, while seven per cent are undecided.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/almost-half-of-canadians-sympathetic-to-concerns-and-frustrations-of-ottawa-trucker-protest

 

I'm actually surprised at the 32% who support the message given how much of that message contains references to the commie fascist Nazi's who've taken over Canada.  Of course if you're supportive of that sort of messaging and hang out in an echo chamber where support for that is probably closer 75 - 85% it must be easier to convince yourself you're winning.  

[myata]

15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The government needs to be told to stand down, and it has to hurt them if they don't. Short term economic pain for long-term gain.

The quasi-democracy "everybody is happy here" beavertale is about to have run it's course. Back to the unadorned reality now: entitled elites without slightest working checks and controls by the society are running away with treating themselves in any way imaginable at public expense while producing hectic; poor quality; unreasonable, ineffective; inefficient and at times plain disastrous management of public matters. Conceptually, this is the third already, there's no principal difference nor clear separating line. If not checked, arrested, understood and corrected right here, it will be only a matter of time before it trickles to everyday life and it'll be the third world on the ground. First bells already ringing: stagnating incomes, rising costs, astronomical housing and now, indefinite restrictions, inflation and suffering small business economy.

[DogOnPorch]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

The quasi-democracy "everybody is happy here" beavertale is about to have run it's course. Back to the unadorned reality now: entitled elites without slightest working checks and controls by the society are running away with treating themselves in any way imaginable at public expense while producing hectic; poor quality; unreasonable, ineffective; inefficient and at times plain disastrous management of public matters. Conceptually, this is the third already, there's no principal difference nor clear separating line. If not checked, arrested, understood and corrected right here, it will be only a matter of time before it trickles to everyday life and it'll be the third world on the ground. First bells already ringing: stagnating incomes, rising costs, astronomical housing and now, indefinite restrictions, inflation and suffering small business economy.

 

Well the CBC actually SAID that Russia of all things was behind it due to Canada's support for the Ukraine. I smell a small woman with a big chip.

[DogOnPorch]

....yeah, smell.

[blackbird]

On 2/11/2022 at 7:43 AM, TrudeauSucks said:

To stand in solidarity with those who are being forced to get vaccinated against their will, it's time for the rest of Canadians to boycott the Booster, and all future vaccines until the government respects individual rights.

We as protesters, must make it known, that we're boycotting vaccines until the government get rid of these mandates.

If people promote a widesprad boycott of Vaccines, prehaps Pfizer and Moderna will convince governments to end these mandates, since they don't want to scare away future customers.

If the Majority of Canadians refuse to take vaccines, until individual rights are protected, the power established will see their policies as contradictive.

Speak up and tell your friends to start protests that supports boycotting vaccines. We need boycotts against vaccine mandates.

This is a very unwise thing to say or promote because vaccination is the only way out of the pandemic.  By promoting the idea people should not get vaccinated you may be costing other people to lose their lives unnecessarily or harm their health if they have not been vaccinated and catch Covid.  Everyone can hold their own opinion, but if you oppose vaccination, it is better to keep it to yourself.

Another fact is that families have been greatly harmed and divided over differences on the issues related to the pandemic such as vaccination.  People have lost friends.  We all need to rethink this whole thing and find a way to get through it without causing division and harming relationships.

Since vaccination is the only way health authorities say we can get through this pandemic, the idea of promoting vaccination should be held as sacred.  But we should go easy on anti-vaxxers in our personal relationships and families and those who oppose vaccination should restraint themselves in their comments and allow the world to get vaccinated.

How disagreements about COVID-19 have driven families, friends apart (msn.com)

 

[blackbird]

On 2/11/2022 at 4:37 PM, West said:

Who said that? Offer the vaccines to the most at risk and let everyone else decide on what they want to put in their own body. 

Pretty simple concept

Have you spread Covid to your family, parents, grandparents yet?  Are they still alive?  Grow up and think of others for a change.  Pretty simple concept isn't it.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Have you spread Covid to your family, parents, grandparents yet?  Are they still alive?  Grow up and think of others for a change.  Pretty simple concept isn't it.

 

You're just tripping over corpses, aren't 'cha?

[TrudeauSucks]

So listening to the treasonous lies and deception of Justin Trudeau, he's made Canadians think that vaccines are the only way to get through a pandemic. Well guess what, there were no vaccines durring the spanish flu in 1918, and the pandemic lasted less than 3 years.

The only way to get through a pandemic, is through herd immunity, and when you do lockdowns you severly supress herd immunity. When you don't have herd immunity, it allows new varients to be even more powerful and the pandemic prolongs itself. A better idea is to let the healthy people get infected first, then once they're immune they can go back to work, while we provide a buffer for the immune compromised. 

Allowing the immune compromise the choice to get vaccinated, while letting the younger people build natural immunity is the answer. Forcing people to get vaccated only amplifies vaccines hesitancy, and it can cause a civil war. I think more people will be terrified of taking vaccines in the future, thanks to justin trudeaus creepy policies.

Edited February 14, 2022 by TrudeauSucks

[Michael Hardner]

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/1918-spanish-flu-in-canada

50,000 dead from the Spanish Flu.

So do we start boycotting now ?  With about 89% of 5 years old+ vaccinated ?