Political Discourse Thread

[Nexii]

Re: #1 it is kind of crazy we are pushing for mandatory vaccination for COVID. Far worse viruses have never had mandatory vaccination in Canada. A list would include: smallpox, polio, MMR, diptheria, tetanus, Hep B, meningitus, varicella, HPV. Unless I was over 75 I don't think there's a single one of these I'd choose to get over COVID. Even then it'd be a toss up.

[West]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

You kind of just illustrated the point of this thread.

This man was clearly speaking his true thoughts and feelings from his heart. He makes some valid points that need discussion.

Instead of addressing what he says and contributing to the discussion, you mock him and me, and make zero other points.

I've noticed it's mostly ad hominems 

[myata]

6 hours ago, West said:

it's mostly ad hominems 

It only means that there's no further arguments. Point made.

[Michael Hardner]

Really need to start ignoring conspiracy people, that's all.

Discourse will return once the signal jammers go back to being silent.

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah, if a political discussion starts offline with people I don't know I like to start with 'what is this discussion for ?'

Tsk tsk...so transparent.

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, Goddess said:

You kind of just illustrated the point of this thread.

This man was clearly speaking his true thoughts and feelings from his heart. He makes some valid points that need discussion.

Instead of addressing what he says and contributing to the discussion, you mock him and me, and make zero other points.

Don't take it badly Goddess. MH is a Conservative...remember?

@Libbies: You folks have a truck bearing down on you and you don't even realize it. Instead, you mock patriots who will protect your own rights as free Canucks. None of you have a real rebuttal. You just mockingly reply with the same old stale insults that frankly, we've come to know as your subconscious admission that...you got nothin'.

What I find personally disturbing is this MH character. IMO...there's few things in the world as distasteful as a traitor or false allegiance.

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, dialamah said:

You call other people fascists and mock them for watching MSM.  Should you be treated with more respect than you show others?

To the topic:

I don't find any of what you claim to be true.

I'm following somebody else who's stuff I enjoy reading; you just happen to be there posting your usual ....

Usual...what...Dear? Facts? Do you not like facts? Is that why you follow this faux conservative around? Faux facts do it for ya?

Now...I do listen to and watch CBC, CTV and Global daily. I DID see a CTV reporter being fair and balanced at the beginning of the protest. But alas...he's no longer reporting in Ottawa about this anymore. You might call that simple "re-assignment". But common sense says otherwise...don' it.

Please understand...I don't think you're a bad person or even malicious. I just think you're in that majority bucket that follows along wherever the shiny thing is. So...in hopes of jarring your personal fortitude a bit...

I met a guy sitting at the bar of a local pub several years ago. We began chatting and even shot a game of darts. During our conversation, it became clear this man was fairly wealthy from playing the stock markets. So I asked him, 'How do you know what to buy and what not to buy?' His reply was genus.

'I watch what the masses are doing, and I don't do that.'

Think for yourself Mah. And always remember...

If it swims like a fish and stinks like a fish...don't let the MSM or common dolts convince you its a horse.

[dialamah]

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. Now...I do listen to and watch CBC, CTV and Global daily. I DID see a CTV reporter being fair and balanced at the beginning of the protest.

2.  But alas...he's no longer reporting in Ottawa about this anymore. You might call that simple "re-assignment". But common sense says otherwise...don' it.

3.  Please understand...I don't think you're a bad person or even malicious. I just think you're in that majority bucket that follows along wherever the shiny thing is. So...in hopes of jarring your personal fortitude a bit...

4. I met a guy sitting at the bar of a local pub several years ago. We began chatting and even shot a game of darts. During our conversation, it became clear this man was fairly wealthy from playing the stock markets. So I asked him, 'How do you know what to buy and what not to buy?' His reply was genus.

'I watch what the masses are doing, and I don't do that.'

5.  Think for yourself Mah. And always remember...

If it swims like a fish and stinks like a fish...don't let the MSM or common dolts convince you its a horse.

1.  I don't watch any of those on a daily basis.  I actually get about 80% of my current events info, here from this forum.  I click on about 50% of the links I see, except for those who've often posted sources that are very easily debunked.

2.  Maybe, maybe not.  Could be he asked to be reassigned.  Common sense doesn't assume the worst based on what could also be a coincidence.  It's also not auto rejecting every fact-checking source as a Liberal mouthpiece.  

3.  Thanks I guess. 

4.  I've seen similar claims here and there.  Naturally, he's going to think his method is the best, just like people who live to be 90 will claim whiskey and cigars are why they've lived so long.  Both scenarios could be also attributed in large part to luck.  

5.  Auto-rejecting MSM is no more "thinking for oneself" than auto-rejecting everything not MSM.  

My philosophy is basically don't attribute to malice that would could just be stupidity or coincidental.  

Thanks for the respectful tone of your reply.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

1.  I don't watch any of those on a daily basis.  I actually get about 80% of my current events info, here from this forum.  I click on about 50% of the links I see, except for those who've often posted sources that are very easily debunked.

2.  Maybe, maybe not.  Could be he asked to be reassigned.  Common sense doesn't assume the worst based on what could also be a coincidence.  It's also not auto rejecting every fact-checking source as a Liberal mouthpiece.  

3.  Thanks I guess. 

4.  I've seen similar claims here and there.  Naturally, he's going to think his method is the best, just like people who live to be 90 will claim whiskey and cigars are why they've lived so long.  Both scenarios could be also attributed in large part to luck.  

5.  Auto-rejecting MSM is no more "thinking for oneself" than auto-rejecting everything not MSM.  

My philosophy is basically don't attribute to malice that would could just be stupidity or coincidental.  

Thanks for the respectful tone of your reply.

You're quite welcome.

For the record...I don't disbelieve "everything" the MSM bleeps forth. Nor do I choke down some of the more...colourful crap the independent press posts. Fish/Horse. Or perhaps more relevant today...

Racist/Opposition To Mandates

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You're quite welcome.

For the record...I don't disbelieve "everything" the MSM bleeps forth. Nor do I choke down some of the more...colourful crap the independent press posts. Fish/Horse. Or perhaps more relevant today...

Racist/Opposition To Mandates

FWIW, I don't think those who oppose mandates are racist or Nazis, etc - that's just a few bad apples.  I don't think they're really looking to overthrow the government, either; that seems to be a biased claim.

I support their right to protest.  I don't support the interruption of others' livelihood; in that way, they are hypocritical imo.  

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

FWIW, I don't think those who oppose mandates are racist or Nazis, etc - that's just a few bad apples.  I don't think they're really looking to overthrow the government, either; that seems to be a biased claim. 

I actually didn't think you did. Our PM seems to though. Or at least, he uses the sound-byte as a club. Its sick.

I never thought overthrowing the government was attainable. I think it was put in the list of demands...as it is sort of...as an over-reach so that the final settlement will have something less.

Like...a vote of non-confidence.

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I support their right to protest.  I don't support the interruption of others' livelihood; in that way, they are hypocritical imo.

Hypocritical? Perhaps a bit.

Necessary to make the point loud and clear? Probably.

Yet...they haven't even bloodied anyone's nose in the process. For all intents and purposes...they've been quite well behaved.

I think in the end, the truckers will get their mandates dropped for themselves. We may have to wait a month or two for the masses to be done with them. I think...if their smart...the truckers might also get a clear and DOCUMENTED plan to open up to normal life again.

Real Democracy can be messy...as it has gotten now. But this protest will or should, re-instill something I've noted is sadly lacking of late in Mr. and Mrs Canuck. The sense that this is OUR government. That they work for US. Not for themselves or their doners. A renewed sense of Canadiana. National pride.

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Necessary to make the point loud and clear? Probably.

Yet...they haven't even bloodied anyone's nose in the process. For all intents and purposes...they've been quite well behaved.

hundreds of millions of dollars per day lost to the border crossing blockade is not well-behaved, not by any stretch of the imagination.  

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I think in the end, the truckers will get their mandates dropped for themselves. We may have to wait a month or two for the masses to be done with them. I think...if their smart...the truckers might also get a clear and DOCUMENTED plan to open up to normal life again.

The mandates for truckers will not get dropped.  They'll be dropped when they're dropped for everyone else.  Public support for that is very low and most of us see the protest for what it is - loud, angry and ignorant noises.  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

hundreds of millions of dollars per day lost to the border crossing blockade is not well-behaved, not by any stretch of the imagination.  

The mandates for truckers will not get dropped.  They'll be dropped when they're dropped for everyone else.  Public support for that is very low and most of us see the protest for what it is - loud, angry and ignorant noises.  

Watch.

[Moonbox]

Yeah I'm watching.  They did an episode on South Park about this sort of thing.  Weeks of protest amount to nothing but the protest leaders end up claiming victory when they're offered restaurant coupons and bubble-gum - just something to save face after they've failed to achieve their unreasonable demands.  

[DogOnPorch]

The unreasonable demand of returning Canada to the condition you found it before going all Adolf over the Charter.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

...the protest leaders end up claiming victory when they're offered restaurant coupons and bubble-gum...

They're not even organized.  Evidenced by last night's statement indicating they would withdraw from residential areas, followed up by a statement that their previous promise was 'fake news'.

There's no rational irrationality, nor is there irrational rationality there.  There is only irrationality.

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The unreasonable demand of returning Canada to the condition you found it before going all Adolf over the Charter.

For a casual observer, the Adolf references would really undermine anything you say that they might mistake for intelligent discourse.  Of course most of us here already know better and skim past 95% of what you write, but you keep doing you I guess.  

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

For a casual observer, the Adolf references would really undermine anything you say that they might mistake for intelligent discourse.  Of course most of us here already know better and skim past 95% of what you write, but you keep doing you I guess.  

 

Fellows like yourself only have to really deal with fellows like me after you've made your attempt at power and lost. Until then, have a nice day, mate.

[Moonbox]

My attempt at power?  Wow this is next-level LARPing.  

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Moonbox said:

My attempt at power?  Wow this is next-level LARPing.  

 

You can pretend that you and your ilk calling out the Emergencies Act on your fellow citizens won't be the start of a bigger conflict if you wish. I imagine you think you'll be safe behind those tanks? Good for you.

[Moonbox]

So are we talking about armed rebellion now?  Is that what's next? 

With this sort of hyperbole you just make yourselves look stupid and make the Emergencies Act look all the more reasonable.  

[DogOnPorch]

Heh...nice try. I'm not the one evoking martial law against peaceful protesters just trying to get their Charter Rights back. That would be Justin. Your dear leader.

He's sure not mine as demonstrated. It would seem I'm his enemy and I need to be crushed.

 

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

So are we talking about armed rebellion now?  Is that what's next? 

The problem with these people is you have to keep explaining to them how things work over and over again.

Example: "You can't occupy a city and close a major crossing forever and expect it to remain because of 'Free Speech'.  That doesn't happen"

Their response, inevitably: "My God, we live in Nazi Germany" 

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

The problem with these people is you have to keep explaining to them how things work over and over again.

Example: "You can't occupy a city and close a major crossing forever and expect it to remain because of 'Free Speech'.  That doesn't happen"

Their response, inevitably: "My God, we live in Nazi Germany" 

Well apparently Bill Maher compared the Canadian government to nazis himself. Or is he not liberal enough anymore? He is also Jewish.

[Goddess]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

The problem with these people is you have to keep explaining to them how things work over and over again.

Example: "You can't occupy a city and close a major crossing forever and expect it to remain because of 'Free Speech'.  That doesn't happen"

Their response, inevitably: "My God, we live in Nazi Germany" 

The more you talk, the more I see you have absolutely no clue what any of this is about.

Free speech? White supremacy?  Anti-semitism? Anti-Vaxxing?

NONE of those things are what this protest is about.