Should the West Separate?

[Nationalist]

NO!

[cougar]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm not an Albertan, they sent their staches to Ottawa.

Whoever has no money, they will be volunteering their time  - free cleanups by hand.

[myata]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Spicer Commission, the Citizen's Forum on Canada's Future, was a pretty good attempt.

I didn't mean another talk show, Canada style. Citizens discuss, agree and do, execute what is necessary. Not another chat show.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, myata said:

I didn't mean another talk show, Canada style. Citizens discuss, agree and do, execute what is necessary. Not another chat show.

What the heck are you talking about? A talk show?

Edited February 2, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[myata]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

A talk show?

Sure, a talk show commission.

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Sure, a talk show commission.

Tens of thousands of Canadians took part, giving input on how to improve the system. The commission's report was used to form the Charlottetown Accord. The accord was presented to the public in a national referendum and defeated.

What more do you want? The Government asked us what we wanted. The government listened and presented what we, the people  asked for and then we said, nah, don't bother. 

How would you do better? How should the governments change the system into one that is more viable and achievable?

[myata]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What more do you want? The Government asked us what we wanted. The government listened and presented what we, the people  asked for and then we said, nah, don't bother. 

It's easy to find out: just look for a difference, change. Has anything changed, at all? So, a talk show. Easy.

When a democracy is from the government for the little ones, what would you like in our democracy talk shows (not binding of course) then how is it different from a show? Where is the essential difference? How would we know?

[Yzermandius19]

every province should leave Canada

it's a useless shotgun marriage

the sooner the abusive relationship is ended, the better

everything the federal government provides

is better handled by the provinces

the federal government just gets in the way

Edited February 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

every province should leave Canada

it's a useless shotgun marriage

the sooner the abusive relationship is ended, the better

everything the federal government provides

is better handled by the provinces

the federal government just gets in the way

One of the reasons for conferderation was to keep the Americans out. How long would we last as separate entities before we became the victims of manifest destiny?

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

One of the reasons for conferderation was to keep the Americans out. How long would we last as separate entities before we became the victims of manifest destiny?

Let the Americans in

Let Quebec out

Let the Indians up

die in a greasefire, Canada

bring on that American freedom, yeehaw

Edited February 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

It's easy to find out: just look for a difference, change. Has anything changed, at all? So, a talk show. Easy.

When a democracy is from the government for the little ones, what would you like in our democracy talk shows (not binding of course) then how is it different from a show? Where is the essential difference? How would we know?

That is incoherent. Again, explain as though I'm not too bright.

You didn't answer the question. In plain English, how would you change the way government works? What changes would you make and what process would you use to implement them?

Edited February 2, 2022 by Queenmandy85
Spelling and punctuation

[Queenmandy85]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Let the Americans in

Let Quebec out

Let the Indians up

die in a greasefire, Canada

bring on that American freedom, yeehaw

 If I wasn't familiar with your posts, I could be forgiven to think this is trolling. ?  Usually, people who are so much in love with the idea of being an American, move there. There are some really good deals on real estate in northern Washington state in the Cerlew area.

Cheers. ?

Edited February 2, 2022 by Queenmandy85
Coffee hasn't kicked in.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 If I wasn't familiar with your posts, I could be forgiven to think this is trolling. ?  Usually, people who are so much in love with the idea of being an American, move there. There are some really good deals on real estate in northern Washington state in the Cerlew area.

Cheers. ?

I'd rather move to Tennessee, Nevada, Florida or Texas

moving to Washington would be like never leaving Canada

what would be the point in that?

[myata]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

In plain English, how would you change the way government works?

In plain English, there's no point to tell a crab that hasn't evolved in 500 million years how it should change. It wouldn't even grasp the topic (sounds familiar)? I'm not investing my time, even a minute of it into let's talk about it spectacles if there's no effective or even theoretically possible mechanisms of real change. Not my kind of entertainment.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by myata

[Queenmandy85]

 

29 minutes ago, myata said:

In plain English, there's no point to tell a crab that hasn't evolved in 500 million years how it should change. It wouldn't even grasp the topic (sounds familiar)? I'm not investing my time, even a minute of it into let's talk about it spectacles if there's no effective or even theoretically possible mechanisms of real change. Not my kind of entertainment.

 

Then why do you keep bringing it up? You are the one who keeps wanting some kind of change, but you never say what. I was just responding to you.

[myata]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Then why do you keep bringing it up?

Because it exists. And I have eyes to see it. And a brain to understand that it exist. Sufficient, for me.

[Nexii]

No. The problem is FPTP, since the west is guaranteed to vote conservative it's a lost cause to try to move the needle.

PR or something like it would solve a lot of the over-focus on swing ridings at the expense of the rest of the country.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Tens of thousands of Canadians took part, giving input on how to improve the system. The commission's report was used to form the Charlottetown Accord. The accord was presented to the public in a national referendum and defeated.

What more do you want? The Government asked us what we wanted. The government listened and presented what we, the people  asked for and then we said, nah, don't bother. 

How would you do better? How should the governments change the system into one that is more viable and achievable?

I start with education, educate everyone on how our current government system works and runs, can't fix something unless you know it is broken...and know how to fix it. 

Currently it seems that there is so much red tape put in place it is almost impossible to get anything done, military procurement , infra structure improvements, natural resources, how those resources are managed. it seems that all the red tape is there to ensure nothing gets done. there is no way it should take decades to buy trucks, or simple wpns systems, no way it should take decades to put a pipe line through, we talk about the convoy and how disruptive it has been , but how long have protests held up progress in the rest of the country...and thats the tip of the iceberg.. 

I'm not sure what changes can be made to make it better, but most Canadians can tell you if it smells like shit then something is wrong with it, and our system stinks, and while not the worst it is by far not the best.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Nexii said:

No. The problem is FPTP, since the west is guaranteed to vote conservative it's a lost cause to try to move the needle.

PR or something like it would solve a lot of the over-focus on swing ridings at the expense of the rest of the country.

then people would have less representation in parliament

as the party would choose their representatives instead of first past the post

the voice of even more ridings would be ignored under that system

PR is garbage

Edited February 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nexii]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

then people would have less representation in parliament

as the party would choose their representatives instead of first past the post

the voice of even more ridings would be ignored under that system

PR is garbage

You can have systems such that parties have to distribute their candidate list regionally. 

STV would be better than PR. FPTP is the worst though

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Nexii said:

You can have systems such that parties have to distribute their candidate list regionally. 

STV would be better than PR. FPTP is the worst though

nah FPTP is the least worst option

especially in a large country that is geographically and demographically diverse as Canada

different parts of the country want very different things

and the party choosing the representation of the ridings are not up to the task

the locals are far better equipped to choose who will best represent them than the federal political parties

FPTP is not the problem with the system

doesn't even make the top 100

Edited February 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Faramir]

16 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You want to bet?  You don't think there are people loyal to this country who would fight to protect it? Yes, the tactics are demented, but so is someone who would try to wreck this country.

Not a chance.  Canadians are not people of action.

[Faramir]

16 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

In my earlier post, I am surprised no one was concerned with the prospect of replacing successive Liberal governments with the NDP. Also, the likelihood of greater US domination or even annexation. (No offence Ms. Bush Cheney) The US is a wonderful country but we sure as heck don't want to be them. They would suck us dry over night. Then you have no oil, no uranium and no country.

It just is never going to happen.  There is a greater chance of the US splitting apart and that won't likely ever happen even though Americans are people of action.  It would be a mess but I don't think average Ontarians would go to war for the country.  

[Faramir]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Doesn’t the oil in Alberta belong to Canadians?  

Do the northern portions of Norway horde their resources and deny its benefits from the other citizens of Norway?

By that logic PQ and BC should share their hydro electricity revenues with the rest of the country and Newfoundland its oil resources.  The resources are managed in all provinces primarily to the benefit of those provincial government,

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Tens of thousands of Canadians took part, giving input on how to improve the system. The commission's report was used to form the Charlottetown Accord. The accord was presented to the public in a national referendum and defeated.

What more do you want? The Government asked us what we wanted. The government listened and presented what we, the people  asked for and then we said, nah, don't bother. 

How would you do better? How should the governments change the system into one that is more viable and achievable?

Speaking for myself I'd abolish in-camera lobbying.  No need for a constitutional crisis, or reforming how we elect representatives, dumping the monarchy, separating or waging a civil war - just a few simple changes to the Lobbying Act. Something so slight it should have no more effect than a butterfly's wing compared to the grandiose suggestions people usually make.  

Edited February 2, 2022 by eyeball