Time to Declare Endemic

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Whatever...we seem to agree on a path forward. Take the win and move on. We have a TON of catching up to do now.

Victory from my perspective as a vulnerable person who had to navigate this pandemic (then I found out I had cancer) is that we managed to hold off the attempts of the let-er-rip crowd to get our governments to let-er-rip - omicron must seem like a Xmas gift.  

Take the win?  You should be thrilled knowing how much the tail was able to wag the dog.  The world is clearly the right-wing's cherry these days so pick it for all you're worth.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Do we as a society tell the Healthcare Industry to STFU and do their jobs. Stop complaining and trying to engineer a society void of risk. The ones that have bore the brunt of this pandemic, more than most?

Interestingly, Lt. Col. David Redman (former head of Emergency Management in Alberta) talked about this in his interview with Danielle Smith of the Western Standard.

Canada's pandemic plan (actually, the world's pandemic plan) called for decisions made during a pandemic to be mutually decided on by NOT just the Health Officers of each individual province. Decisions were to be made in conjunction with industry specialists, financial planners, politicians and other pertinent authorities so that all perspectives were taken into account.

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

Not that I fear an Omicron infection will kill me, but that an infection is likely regardless. 

I don't like the idea of being infected with a bioweapon either, but everyone is getting it. Vaxed, unvaxed, vaxed and boosted along with natural immunity from a previous infection... it doesn't matter. Everyone is testing positive now. You'll eventually get it no matter what. 

I saw reports of places where "VAXED PEOPLE ACCOUNT FOR 90+ % OF COVID INFECTIONS!!!!" It was just an instance where vaxed people were getting tested so that they could board airplanes and unavxed had no reason to test. 90+ percent of the tests = 90+ percent of the cases. 

Take your vitamins C & D, some zinc, and don't exert yourself at all if you feel slightly ill. Hopefully your Trump vaccine will protect you ? 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Victory from my perspective as a vulnerable person who had to navigate this pandemic (then I found out I had cancer) is that we managed to hold off the attempts of the let-er-rip crowd to get our governments to let-er-rip - omicron must seem like a Xmas gift.  

Take the win?  You should be thrilled knowing how much the tail was able to wag the dog.  The world is clearly the right-wing's cherry these days so pick it for all you're worth.

Sorry to hear that. I'll most likely get cancer too.

Both of my grandfathers died of cancer at 65 and my dad died at 65 from alcohol poisoning. If I get to 66 I'll be breaking new ground. 

Tick tock...

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

See this is happening all at the same time. This is the concern more than the severity of Omicron. 

One of the guys at work who got it over the holidays just got back to work after quarantining, yesterday.

He said he knows he got it from an after-Xmas party on the 28th.  15 people were there - all vaxxed.  13 of them got the 'Rona.  Before he knew he had it, he attended a family function (I don't know how many were there) but he said all his family are vaxxed.  They all got it - except one Uncle, very fit, unvaxxed.

He said it was like a bad cold - congested for a couple days.  But says he was very tired, slept 12-14 hours for days.

He is mid-30's, vaxxed, heavy smoker.  Unvaxxed girlfriend also did not get it.  He commented how weird it was that out of all those people, only the unvaxxed did not get it.

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

See this is happening all at the same time. This is the concern more than the severity of Omicron. 

Huh...concerned enough to shut everything down eh?

For a very manageable bug. The cost has always been way too high.

[dialamah]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well...being an old hippie type, I still harbour this unreasonable hatred of haircuts. I know its silly but...

Ya I got Omicron over the holidays. Most of family did. I think my wife brought it in from the bar but...who really knows. She was first. Before her second day, I and Twin A got it. I woke up the next day feeling good. Wifey-baby was ok after 2 days. Twin A had it for 2 days and Twin B never did get it. Our elder daughter was at our place a lot over the holidays so her and her boyfriend got it too. 2 or 3 days each.

I do know a guy who got the original strain. It floored him for over a week. He's a very healthy man of about 65. I golf with him regularly. I didn't know this before but, it turns out he has diabetes. Diabetics don't seem to do well with The Rona.

Were you and your family tested?  'Cause if not, you don't know for sure what it was - OW just posted on here that he was sick for a while, but the test for Covid was negative.

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Victory from my perspective as a vulnerable person who had to navigate this pandemic (then I found out I had cancer) is that we managed to hold off the attempts of the let-er-rip crowd to get our governments to let-er-rip - omicron must seem like a Xmas gift.  

Take the win?  You should be thrilled knowing how much the tail was able to wag the dog.  The world is clearly the right-wing's cherry these days so pick it for all you're worth.

My wife had cancer. She's better now. I hope the same for you.

[Nationalist]

Just now, dialamah said:

Were you and your family tested?  'Cause if not, you don't know for sure what it was - OW just posted on here that he was sick for a while, but the test for Covid was negative.

I can't believe anyone actually trusts those tests anymore.

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I can't believe anyone actually trusts those tests anymore.

So, no.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

My wife had cancer. She's better now. I hope the same for you.

Thanks. ? so far.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

So, no.

No. But I don't get sick. I don't remember the last time I was really ill. So when the wife came down and I felt...shitty right way, I figured it was this highly contagious bug.

Edited January 13, 2022 by Nationalist

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. But I don't get sick. I don't remember the last time I was really ill. So when the wife came down and I felt...shitty right way, I figured it was this highly contagious bug.

I didn't ever get sick till I got H1N1 in 2009.  I was really sick, in bed for 4 days and coughed for months after.  That's when I decided to get flu vaccine, never want to be that sick again.  Haven't been seriously ill since other than colds. 

You could have had flu, it's the right time frame.  Could've been Omicron too.  Personally, I'd want to know - could breathe a little easier in public. 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I didn't ever get sick till I got H1N1 in 2009.  I was really sick, in bed for 4 days and coughed for months after.  That's when I decided to get flu vaccine, never want to be that sick again.  Haven't been seriously ill since other than colds. 

You could have had flu, it's the right time frame.  Could've been Omicron too.  Personally, I'd want to know - could breathe a little easier in public. 

Meh...

I had sniffles and chills for 1 night...

[Zeitgeist]

It’s time for Canada to change course:

https://apple.news/Ah66GUqVUR5SYx1vp_0intQ

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s time for Canada to change course:

Hopefully more cautiously than Florida though.  Florida pop = 21.5 million...covid deaths = 63000.  We're 38 million with half the number of deaths.

I get the sense some people think all that extra death is worth it and that somehow we'd be in a better place if we'd followed a parallel course.

[Moonbox]

Doctors now are telling people that if they have an upper-respiratory infection, you might as well assume it's COVID.  It's spreading everywhere so it's most likely that's what you have (though not certain) but you're better off assuming that than not. 

For vaccinated people the symptoms are mostly mild.  My double-vaxxed 35 year old sister had it in December and it was like an unpleasant cold for her and her baby.  Her husband didn't get sick at all.  I looked after her baby last week and was sick afterwards for a couple of days and that was probably COVID too but I'm triple-vaxxed and it was like nothing.  

I've not read or posted on this forum in over a year but it's stunning to me how poorly understood vaccines are and how there are still so many conspiracy larpers running around talking nonsense about them.  

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I've not read or posted on this forum in over a year but it's stunning to me how poorly understood vaccines are and how there are still so many conspiracy larpers running around talking nonsense about them.  

I've only been back on for just a few weeks now myself - it's Loonvile, and it's probably pretty tame compared to some. 

It's good to see you've survived the year as well.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Hopefully more cautiously than Florida though.  Florida pop = 21.5 million...covid deaths = 63000.  We're 38 million with half the number of deaths.

I get the sense some people think all that extra death is worth it and that somehow we'd be in a better place if we'd followed a parallel course.

Nice try Bud, but you should have noticed I follow Florida stats. You're not so much outright lying as misleading but when it's all added up it's a lie.

Those are total deaths for the duration of covid. The Delta Variant hit Florida hard in the first stages. Some say it's because of Biden's open border policies. Texas got it too.

But with Florida the Republican Governor introduced a new policy at the peak of the Delta scourge. He opened centers that made monoclonal antibodies available to all Floridians. Deaths plummeted immediately. Even before they decreased anywhere else.

Even today with the nationwide spike in cases from Omicron deaths remain low. The fatality rate was 2nd lowest in America behind Alaska a week or so ago. This is in spite of the Biden administration doing everything it can to control Florida's access to MCAs.

Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Edited January 14, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hopefully more cautiously than Florida though.  Florida pop = 21.5 million...covid deaths = 63000.  We're 38 million with half the number of deaths.

I get the sense some people think all that extra death is worth it and that somehow we'd be in a better place if we'd followed a parallel course.

I think it’s more that there are a lot of elderly retirees in Florida and the people have decided that restrictions are only acceptable to a point beyond which the quality of our lives is too compromised.  We’ve already lost so much these last two years.  Life is short.  Take as many precautions as you think you should and live your life.  

[Moonbox]

What is your actual argument here?  Florida's COVID response was world-class awful.  Omicron deaths are low because it's apparently milder and because a huge portion of the population is already vaccinated.  Florida deaths are low by comparison at this point because:

1)  75% of people there have at least one vaccine

2)  Lots of people already had COVID there and therefore have antibodies.   

3) They have treatments now that they previously didn't. 

There's more to it than that of course, but come on man.  

 

[Infidel Dog]

 

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

What is your actual argument here?  Florida's COVID response was world-class awful.  Omicron deaths are low because it's apparently milder and because a huge portion of the population is already vaccinated.  Florida deaths are low by comparison at this point because:

But it's not just Omicron. Florida began having record low deaths during the height of Delta. That's when DeSantis put up the monoclonal antibody centers.

Nice of you notice natural immunity when you think it helps your case though. Although...why didn't California show the same results Florida did?

And hey, if you're on board with the natural immunity thing now I guess you understand why the millions of natural immune reject being mandated into segregation. Aren't you worried that makes you what you and Eyeball are calling "a loon" though?

[Infidel Dog]

It's going to take more than lies and insults to convince people they didn't notice all the expert pronouncements that turned out to be BS - flatten the curve, wear a mask and you're safe, we'll lockdown and save you all, we have a vaccine, Did we say one shot? We meant two. Did we say 2? We meant 2 and a booster. No, we meant boosters forever.

And then there's the lies we couldn't show were lies, at first. I remember when the ilk of you two were dancing in the streets so to speak because when Delta first hit in Ontario and Alberta the data was radically pointing towards a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 

And we of the uncompliant told you those stats don't match up with other places around the globe where they've been dealing with Delta longer. There's something wrong with those provincial stats.

Now we know what that was. Would you like to know? A New York Times writer will tell you if you're interested? Which I doubt. The truth rarely interests you guys.

Covid infections and deaths SOAR after the first vaccine dose

So what you and Eyeball are calling 'the loons" keep being right. You and your "experts" keep being wrong.

And I say if being right is the new crazy I don't want to be this new definition of sane. It's as accurate as your new definition of Vaccine. Which means it's not. There is no Covid "vaccine." It's just another therapeutic.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[myata]

45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I've not read or posted on this forum in over a year but it's stunning to me how poorly understood vaccines are and how there are still so many conspiracy larpers running around talking nonsense about them.  

So if you see or hear something that wouldn't agree with your views or understanding, you immediately assume that it's nonsense? And if the reality itself wouldn't agree, should it be declared "nonsense" too? We have among the highest vaccinated population in the world, mostly voluntarily. And we still have (according to information at least) full hospitals, more restrictions and lockdowns. How much sense would it make to an impartial honest observer?

[Infidel Dog]

I was just checking the states to see which one is getting all the new deaths.

The Democrat Blue states of California, New York, Connecticut, Illinois, and the purple state of Pennsylvania are the new champions. 

Did they not have any natural immunity, Moonbox?