Majority of Canadians support firing of unvaccinated.

[blackbird]

48 minutes ago, cougar said:

This ain't no Norton Antivirus Plus 2022 where you simply upgrade to the latest version.

 

An expert on the news said it only takes a few months to upgrade to the new variant.  It is feasible.  Getting it out to billions of people is the problem.  Of course we have the keyboard warriors who are superior experts.

Edited November 27, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

Covid is not going anywhere anytime soon. Authoritarian, prescribing and mandating health fascism is a dead end. Vaccination race against the nature cannot be won.

Intelligent combination of strategies is the answer. But it requires intelligence, responsibility, ingenuity and courage.

- Selective protection for the vulnerable, freely available whenever needed

- Best quality and efficient diagnostics and early intervention in top notch public health facilites

- Intelligent, precise and current monitoring of the situation

- Clear, honest and effective communications with the population

- Personal responsibility

This way you don't defeat the virus in a glorious but dumb and hopeless war. No. You preserve life while letting the society live normal life to the extent possible. That was the job description and the oath all along and you got it all wrong, again. Does it make you an exspert?

[cougar]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

An expert on the news said it only takes a few months to upgrade to the new variant.  It is feasible. 

Sure.  Just needs a bit of work on the new label.

[WestCanMan]

I hate that there can be so much common sense and understanding from all of the different POVs here but our politicians and MSM are so extremely polarized and unwilling to talk about basic facts which are critical to understanding this topic. 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

This ain't no Norton Antivirus Plus 2022 where you simply upgrade to the latest version.

 

And so…?  The only other viable option than eliminating restrictions is having two distinct societies, one for the restricted fearful and another for those who accept the risks and choose personal liberty.  Endless restrictions are unhealthy and unsustainable.  There are no measures that will make you perfectly safe apart from hiding at home.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[cougar]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

.The only other viable option that eliminating restrictions is having two distinct societies

Really?   The two societies you talk about are the same society.  Both kinds continue to contract and transmit the virus.

But creating tensions between people and discriminating against a large group is not going to bring nothing good.

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, cougar said:

Really?   The two societies you talk about are the same society.  Both kinds continue to contract and transmit the virus.

But creating tensions between people and discriminating against a large group is not going to bring nothing good.

Most of society is being held back by paranoid authoritarians right now.  So let that segment of control freaks restrict each other to death in their own churches, hospitals, grocery stores, etc. They won’t need much because many of these people will stay home and receive deliveries from Amazon and Grocery Gateway.  Of course they’ll always be welcome to join the land of the free, but enslaving everyone to keep this segment happy is dysfunctional and unnecessary.  

[myata]

And in the meanwhile:

"Certain persons are exempt from the mandatory quarantine requirement when entering Canada for the purposes of performing an essential job or function as identified in the Order under the Quarantine Act. Exemption will be validated for each entry into Canada."

Who knows the number of exceptions? Who cared to ask and did they get any answer? How many exceptions were there from South Africa in the recent weeks?

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, myata said:

And in the meanwhile:

"Certain persons are exempt from the mandatory quarantine requirement when entering Canada for the purposes of performing an essential job or function as identified in the Order under the Quarantine Act. Exemption will be validated for each entry into Canada."

Who knows the number of exceptions? Who cared to ask and did they get any answer? How many exceptions were there from South Africa in the recent weeks?

Yes the red and green light systems for determining a country’s access to international freedoms is the new international fascist stick used to ensure compliance to public health standards.  Technocratic fascism.  More to come. 

[myata]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

More to come. 

Think of it, over the last decades we wrote and made so many techno-apocalypse stories that it's hardly possible to navigate the public psyche-media landscape without stepping into one within minutes. Maybe we already knew something in the back of our collective mind, dreamed of it, rolled it there over, and round and round. And here it comes. Hello, stranger.

Edited November 28, 2021 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Think of it, over the last decades we wrote and made so many techno-apocalypse stories that it's hardly possible to navigate the public psyche-media landscape without stepping into one within minutes. Maybe we already knew something in the back of our collective mind, dreamed of it, rolled it there over, and round and round. And here it comes. Hello, stranger.

Yup the prisoners built their own prisons and asked to be incarcerated.  The “mark of the beast” is a metaphor, I think, of humanity’s enslavement to an inhuman system.  “Apocalypse” doesn’t feel like a stretch.  

[OftenWrong]

Yep. "Bye bye, Miss America Pie"

[-TSS-]

Here in Finland there is some legal technicality which stops making vaccination compulsory. Therefore they have resorted to propaganda of painting the unvaccinated people as either morons or villains. You don't want to be a moron or a villain, do you?

However, a classical diveda et impera-situation. People pitted against each other. 

[myata]

"Everybody is looking for something". Some of us want simple and easy solutions to complex problems, mask in a restaurant, sure, q-vaccination with outbreaks in totally vaccinated offices, but of course.

And others of us liked the simplicity and effectiveness of fear and confusion in extending the rule without questions and responsibility way beyond lines and limits that were thought obvious and impregnable only a short time ago.

Yes, that simple and yes, looks like it's working again. "Moving on..."

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Here in Finland there is some legal technicality which stops making vaccination compulsory.

Finland is a lot closer to Germany than we are, the Nazi situation was much more real over there so they probably enacted stronger laws based on that epic shit-show.

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Therefore they have resorted to propaganda of painting the unvaccinated people as either morons or villains.

Propaganda works like a charm here in Canada. 

The MSM narrative on every story eventually unravels into a series of lies but their faithful never become suspicious of them. 

Eventually they will just start saying "This is a lie but you have to repeat it, dog!" and they will.

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However, a classical diveda et impera-situation. People pitted against each other. 

And the end goal of 'more government control' is happily endorsed by the propaganda victims, because they believe that all socialist/communist authoritarians are cuddly like Bernie Sanders.

Leftists are clearly not students of history. Or current events. Or reality/common sense.

[myata]

It may be a general phenomena in the Western societies. As most citizens work for corporations, private or public, a key foundation of a democracy - independence of thought is eroded, as physical dependence almost inevitably engenders and accelerates behavioral one. And no, not only a theory as we just have seen it played out like a symphony. Everyone needs a job and government services. So what if we make access to them conditional on certain behavior?

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, myata said:

It may be a general phenomena in the Western societies. As most citizens work for corporations, private or public, a key foundation of a democracy - independence of thought is eroded, as physical dependence almost inevitably engenders and accelerates behavioral one. And no, not only a theory as we just have seen it played out like a symphony. Everyone needs a job and government services. So what if we make access to them conditional on certain behavior?

That’s right.  Long before the pandemic it was clear that the future class struggle would be over access — access to resources, goods and services, freedom of movement, and so on.  I stated before the pandemic that a series of crises — real, exaggerated, or manufactured — would be the justification for limiting access and bringing in systems to enforce these rules, limits, restrictions, whatever you want to call them.  At the time I thought it would be Green Fascism, but the first push against democracy actually came from public health and the technocrats.  The populists have fought it and are often portrayed as too passionate and irrational to lead responsibly (e.g. Trumpism).  However, we risk becoming slaves to the “scientific” systems we’ve created.  Hariri warned us about this.  Our vaccine passports and proof of testing tracking systems have made it possible and proven that our governments can and will require citizens to comply with rules that include the sharing of personal health information, the identification of people deemed hazardous to society based on health data, and the imposition of added restrictions on basic freedoms for those who don’t comply.  The data collection surveillance system has its roots in the IBM concentration camp personal identification systems of Nazi Germany, otherwise known as the Holocaust.

Though I consider myself Christian, I do believe that the Divine comes in many forms and has appeared in various religions.  The Holocaust was an event of Biblical proportions that tested our humanity, our emotional human capacity to see people as more than just just slave inputs with greater and lesser values of efficiency from greater and lesser races.  I think it’s very clear at this point that if we don’t resist and overturn the systems currently implemented to control humans’ access to basic freedoms, we have accepted mass slavery.  We have handed human individuality and freedom over to systems that don’t care about your family, job, or freedom.  They only care about your compliance.

What’s it all for?   How much more can we demand of people in the name of reaching the impossible goal of zero Covid?   86% of Ontarians aged 12 and up are fully vaccinated, yet mandatory masking, vaccination mandates, and vaccine passports continue.  We were assured that last summer restrictions would be lifted. Now it’s March, 2022.  Oh, but that was before Omicron. We’re conditioned to expect the next threat and extended restrictions.  Freedom will be withheld because, as we’re told, not enough of us are making enough sacrifices for the greater good.  How much longer can people actually believe that?   Perhaps forever.  

Edited November 29, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

OK let's take an example. Someone here mentioned that drug, ivermectin. Question: what do you know about it? If you are like me, you haven't heard about it before Covid and now you know that it is 1) a horse drug 2) a conspiracy theory and c) a big no-no boo! Is it that you know?

But here's what only a few clicks have uncovered me this morning. Just bear for a few short minutes

1. Inventors of ivermectine received a Nobel prize in medicine for its discovery in 1975 (so close to five decades of clinical practice now)
2. It's on the list of most commonly prescribed therapies in humans (not "horses", but the first letter is the same so possibly just a typo by an innocent "journalist") for antiparasitic treatments
3. It is cheap and available over the counter
4. Side effects are quoted as "very rare" and mostly mild

Before you read any further, I'm not a medical professional. Not advising or suggesting anything, only reading aloud. And no, I'm not going to post the link, but I absolutely invite you to not take me (or horseshit) on my word and do the exercise (hint: wikipedia, ivermectin)

If it wasn't enough in a few more clicks I found at least one peer reviewed article, late 2020, that found moderate statistically significant improvement in severe Covid cases when used alongside other treatments (outcomes in groups with and without ivermectin were compared).

And if that was not enough, reading a bit more on the mechanism it appears that ivermectin effectively suppresses replication of parasites. Is it an impossible stretch to conjecture that some of the agents used by parasites in replications may also figure in replication of the viruses?

And now, if you are still with me, I have a question for you: why do you know invermectin as a "horse medicine"? Where did you get this knowledge and/or idea from? Did it just happen by an accident or someone thought and worked to brand it as horse, for you?

And another question for you: if in some distant future some impartial and objective study showed that a cheap, safe, tested in decades of clinical practice was even moderately effective in preventing complications and deaths, how would you call the people who branded it "horse medicine"? Would you still call them "media professionals" and "public health managers", or something else?

And now, only objective facts: remdesivir; monoclonal therapy; protease suppressing treatments; possibly ivermectin, to confident clinical tests. What is common in these, have you guessed? Right, they are all effective, tested and approved therapeutic treatments for complications and severe cases of Covid. They do exist, a fact. But if it is a fact, why all you hear about is crisises, scary ICUs and ventilators? Why all solutions you hear about are about everybody mandated to do something mask today, lockdown yesterday, indefinite q-vaccination tomorrow? Is it something wrong with your hearing? Or maybe someone didn't like their job description (healing people and curing diseases) and happily switched it for another one (managing us)? Just so, thank you, no questions or objections are taken at this time. And no elections needed either, thank-you.

No, I'm not into conspiracy theory but there's another possibility: someone is, and possibly has been lying. For whatever reason and with whatever rationalizations I couldn't care, everything, every horse shit piece in this universe has some rationalization. And can it now, and going forward be discounted? Has "horse medicine" just happened by some freak coincidence?

A longread, I know. But on the good side, mask, lockdown, vaccination and everything one step out of the line a horse, pumping, drumming over and over morning, evening, whatever "news". Easy! Each new great new dawn comes so easy, perpetual human tragic irony.

[Goddess]

Omicron is an anagram of "moronic".

Just sayin ?

[myata]

This is nothing short of goebbelsian stuff and I insist the comparison is accurate and valid. Just look at the cliches and where they're coming from:

invermectin - "horse medicine"

good covid - mask and q-vaccination + cute snuggly doctors in the TV

bad covid - no mask or unvaccinated, ICU, horror, run!

children - q-vaccination, good!

vaccinated outbreak - "breakthrough infection"

non vaccinated outbreak - "epidemics of unvaccinated", ICU, ventilator, horror, run!

I wish we could have an independent and impartial inquiry here, that people could trust. And if, on evaluation of evidence, it would establish even a mild efficacy, if it could help even 5% of patients with a cheap readily available treatment (we have 30,000 in the country so far, do the math) then should the "horse people" face some sort of responsibility?

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by myata

[taxme]

On 11/26/2021 at 5:28 PM, myata said:

Should the new variant prove to be more resistant another eggs in one basket strategy would fail and it all would have been for pretty much, nothing. Masks did not work, waves two and three. Vaccines wouldn't have worked as promised but there could be some individual level protection against severe complications. Useful, yes. Panacea, obviously not.

Drumming and marching cannot replace reason and intelligence. In this century it's not productive and can be dangerous. Do we need more sad stories to figure that out?

The lying politicians, the lying media, and the full of chit lying globalists are at it again. These scariants, I mean variants, are just another excuse by those scum mentioned above to keep this scamdemic hoax alive and well. It will never end until we the peasants say enough already, and stop allowing themselves to be conned forever by those mentally ill buffoons mentioned above, and their constant efforts of trying to keep us all in a constant state of fear and panic over nothing. 

This new Omicron, or Omicon scariant, variant is according to the South African medical association nothing to be overly concerned about, and if one gets it, it will be very mild. The symptoms that one may get from this new scariant flu bug will mostly involve sore muscles and feeling very tired at times for a day or two and then gone. 

But if we leave it up to our lying politicians, the lying media, and those so called lying health experts and health ministers and paid off doctors here in Canada they will try and make it appear as though this variant will be worse than the other two and that we must all continue to get booster jabs and keep wearing masks and social distancing forever. Hello? 

Don't let those buffoons mentioned above scare the shit out of you any longer. They are only doing this to try and make more money off of this new scamdemic scariant and hang onto their communist power and control over us all. Wake the hell up folks. Tell those lying batards to go take their many booster jabs coming and shove them up their keisters. Works for me. LOL.  

[myata]

Ever heard of a Nobel prize for a "horse drug"? This can be a top contender for the Dr Goebbels prize for outrageous propaganda, even better, our very own. Can we know the author(s), please don't be shy!

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

 

This new Omicron, or Omicon scariant,

"Omicon," I like that. 

I'm going to steal it.

Except I will use Omicon Xi because I don't like the way WHO slipped Xi past us. Omicon should be called Xi or Nu by order of the Greek alphabet but WHO didn't want anybody making the connection between Omicon Xi and the Chinese Communist leader or losing their covid fear by branding it Nu (as in New.)

Edited November 29, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

It will never end until we the peasants say enough already, and stop allowing themselves to be conned forever by those mentally ill buffoons mentioned above

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4 hours ago, taxme said:

It will never end

Check

[myata]

Recall that "Johnny Mnemonic" movie with Keanu Reaves long while back? Now we have an interesting topic: is the art there to reflect the reality; or the reality strives to live up to the stories that we make? Don't haste with an answer.

As heard on TV last night, a very close quote: "Scientists and politicians strive to keep the populations safe". An accidental slip of the tongue? There you go. You thought they should be there to build and run top notch care system with best treatments for you when needed and paid by you? No, no wrong. Our keepers, and future lords, how else and why not? And you thought they were working for you, paid from your pocket with your taxes. So naive.

Edited November 30, 2021 by myata