Returning to normal

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/25/2021 at 10:25 PM, Goddess said:

Not true.  This is part of why the PCR tests are crap - They pick up coronavirus antibodies from previous coronavirus infections, including H1N1 and the common cold.

H1N1 is not a coronavirus. 

[OftenWrong]

53 minutes ago, cougar said:

Leaving kids aside, the question is what do we do when

Become criminals. Or else roll over and die quietly. You see there is a choice. No one’s forcing you.

 

[myata]

In the meanwhile, a number of countries including UK, Denmark, Sweden, Austria among others have managed to maintain normal way of life through the year to date, after lifting all or most restrictions in spring or early summer. Cases moved up and down, systems stood their ground and the societies had normal life with facilities and businesses open to citizens. That is already an important experience with many valuable lessons learned and the critical test remains in the winter months. If it can be maintained year long, it would be lightyears ahead of the aiiii / oiiiii lets have a lockdown again! exzperts. For all the billions spent, no memory and few lessons learned. Now, what do you think of the next pandemics?

[Aristides]

On 10/25/2021 at 5:55 PM, Goddess said:

Not true.  This is part of why the PCR tests are crap - They pick up coronavirus antibodies from previous coronavirus infections, including H1N1 and the common cold.

So why are two negative tests used as the criteria for being recovered?

[myata]

Suppose after vaccination of children begins (FDA recently approved Phizer vaccine in the USA for children 5 - 12) there's an increase of cases in the winter months. This can happen for example due waning protection effect, as for some age groups it's been six months and longer. What would be the response of case-driven management as in most provinces? Would it be a return to lockdown-style measures, defeating the claims of effectiveness of vaccines in the eyes of the population? Or would it be mandating vaccinations to attend schools under the banners "don't be selfish" and "let's defeat it forever"? I think it would make sense to request a clear statement that child vaccinations will remain voluntary in any event, would it be reasonable in your view?

Edited October 27, 2021 by myata

[cougar]

38 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Become criminals. Or else roll over and die quietly. You see there is a choice. No one’s forcing you.

 

Becoming thieves is fine.  But they will take your house away too.  Then we have to cozy up with the bears in their dens.

[myata]

For a few weeks now, way more frequent reports of break-ins and theft from cars in the community. Wonder if it's isolated, or another sigh of a great new Canadian dawn?

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

H1N1 is not a coronavirus. 

Yes, thank you. My post wasn't clear on that.  The test picks up anything you've had in the flu family.

[OftenWrong]

On 10/25/2021 at 8:55 PM, Goddess said:

Not true.  This is part of why the PCR tests are crap - They pick up coronavirus antibodies from previous coronavirus infections, including H1N1 and the common cold.

Exactly.

But hey, let's not forget "there was no influenza" in 2020.  

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Exactly.

But hey, let's not forget "there was no influenza" in 2020.  

So why are two negative tests the criteria for being recovered?

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

So why are two negative tests the criteria for being recovered?

Because it is so deadly, even one single virus can shut down the whole world.

[Aristides]

18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Because it is so deadly, even one single virus can shut down the whole world.

That doesn't answer the question I put to Goddess.

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Goddess said:

Yes, thank you. My post wasn't clear on that.  The test picks up anything you've had in the flu family.

Do you have any cite for this? 

[Boges]

In this column, Ontario's top doc notes an exponential increase in case load amongst Nordic countries once all public health measures have been removed. I believe that was mentioned in this thread. 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/dr-kieran-moore-the-cautious-approach-to-lifting-covid-measures-is-paying-off-for-ontario

Exponentially higher cases in a day from countries that are a third of the size Ontario population wise. 

[myata]

Thanks for illustrating the point. You can notice in the graphs up there that the numbers have been fluctuating within stable margins since late January without causing panic, aiiiis! and oiiis! lockdowns, quarantines etc. Mark the difference. One critical test remains for these countries to make it through the winter. If they manage that they'll be across the chasm, being able to achieve coexistence with Covid while maintaining normal life for a great majority of the society.

While someone somewhere else will live days, weeks and months etc to watch the Scary Number. For as long as necessary. Maybe till March or maybe forever. Like who defined ends and limits here, intelligence, effective and efficient work of a top-notch healthcare system - or the virus?

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

While someone somewhere else will live days, weeks and months etc to watch the Scary Number. For as long as necessary. Maybe till March or maybe forever. Like who defined ends and limits here, intelligence, effective and efficient work of a top-notch healthcare system - or the virus?

Again, I don't know what province you're living in. For the vast majority, life is pretty normal. Except for the masks. 

The Doc notes that, going into winter, it's not prudent to remove that measure as we expect people will gather indoors. AND without many of the additional measures we have grown accustomed in the last 18 months. 

[myata]

They miss the point entirely, and why wouldn't they with $400K salaries, unlimited entitlements and near-complete detachment from the reality? The point is not to watch The Number, beg it, cry to it, go to holy war with it. The point is to learn living normal lives, to the maximum extent possible, whatever is the number of the day. How hard can it be to get the difference? In an all-inclusive virtual c-word tower with a single narrow and tainted window on the world?

Edited October 28, 2021 by myata

[myata]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

For the vast majority, life is pretty normal.

No, no you can't say that because your "normal" is probably way off what normal normal is (and it's not going to get better). Ask The Doctor - he was scared to his nuts going to a restaurant in UK and Denmark. While for people there it's a normal experience.

[Boges]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

They miss the point entirely, and why wouldn't they with $400K salaries, unlimited entitlements and near-complete detachment from the reality? The point is not to watch The Number, beg it, cry to it, go to holy war with it. The point is to learn leaving normal lives, to the maximum extent possible, whatever is the number of the day. How hard can it be to get the difference? In an all-inclusive virtual c-word tower with a single narrow and tainted window on the world?

You're obsessed with $400k salaries. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Do you have any cite for this? 

Go find it yourself.  There's lots of information out there on the PCR tests.  I'm done taking homework assignments for you, providing cites that you simply ignore and then continue to regurgitate the same old arguments.

[Boges]

24 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Go find it yourself.  There's lots of information out there on the PCR tests.  I'm done taking homework assignments for you, providing cites that you simply ignore and then continue to regurgitate the same old arguments.

So that's a no. 

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

So that's a no. 

Yup.

You want  unvaxxed people to lose their jobs, be stripped of freedoms, be denied healthcare, be sent to camps and to die.

Don't give a rat's patootie about you.

And you dare call anyone else a "scourge on society".

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yup.

You want  unvaxxed people to lose their jobs, be stripped of freedoms, be denied healthcare, be sent to camps and to die.

Don't give a rat's patootie about you.

And you dare call anyone else a "scourge on society".

Awww muffin. 

I think you overestimate the vaxxed restrictions on anyone who's not a front-line worker that deals with public health. 

Where are the camps? 

[DogOnPorch]

[DogOnPorch]

The future camp guards hate calling them camps.

It's Arbeitslager for Christ sake...get it right.