Returning to normal

[myata]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

You're obsessed with $400k salaries. 

Like you answered any questions. Like it's great to have those on a public dime, while folks laid off because of their policies get 12 minus taxes, and our frontline heroes, very lucky to have a tenth of that. In "it" together, right.

Edited October 28, 2021 by myata

[cougar]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Awww muffin. 

I think you overestimate the vaxxed restrictions on anyone who's not a front-line worker that deals with public health. 

Where are the camps? 

They start with the front line workers, then the next group and then the next, till everyone gets the shot.  But they have a major issue now with firefighters and police officers who refuse to vaccinate.

And why would they?  Why would anyone want to be screwed just because of the type of job they do?

The world has become a big camp.  If you can't see it, I can't help you.

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, cougar said:

They start with the front line workers, then the next group and then the next, till everyone gets the shot.  But they have a major issue now with firefighters and police officers who refuse to vaccinate.

And why would they?  Why would anyone want to be screwed just because of the type of job they do?

Who's they? 

It's the employer's right to ensure a safe workplace. 

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The world has become a big camp.  If you can't see it, I can't help you.

I think you're the one who needs help, being so enraged by some limited restrictions during a global pandemic. 

[Boges]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

Like you answered any questions. Like it's great to have those on a public dime, while folks laid off because of their policies get 12 minus taxes, and our frontline heroes, very lucky to have a tenth of that. In "it" together, right.

Who gets 12? People on the dole? 

If you can't get a job in this job climate you have major problems. 

[myata]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Who gets 12? People on the dole? 

If you can't get a job in this job climate you have major problems. 

You mean, McDonalds and Amazon job "recovery"? While clueless bureaucrats "travel from Wuhan no problem" third hit in a row, rake hundreds of thousands from your taxes, and those of future generations? Sounds like in it together, no?

And now what? Having slept through two decades of warnings, a holy fight with a shadow Scary Number forever? While obscene salaries and benefits keep rolling in regardless of the reality? Well maybe worse IS better in this case. What if it's the only way we still have to wake up to the reality, if still can that is.

Edited October 28, 2021 by myata

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

You mean, McDonalds and Amazon job "recovery"?

I'm sure you haven't paid much attention, but there's a labour shortage. Most businesses are hiring. 

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While clueless bureaucrats "travel from Wuhan no problem" third hit in a row, rake hundreds of thousands from your taxes, and those of future generations? Sounds like in it together, no?

You mean there's a disconnect between rich and poor? NOWAI. Better not visit the United States anytime soon. 

[Aristides]

The US is about the only country in the western world that doesn't have required annual vacation or paid statutory holidays for workers. 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Aristides

[myata]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm sure you haven't paid much attention, but there's a labour shortage. Most businesses are hiring.

Labor shortage where though? Is there a shortage in $400K annual, result-independent government jobs? Are all "jobs" the same? If all "jobs" are the same, can we switch a gal flipping burgers at McDonalds with a bureaucrat flipping coins "problem or not a problem" and where is that button?

No it wasn't just "rich" it was on the public dime, outrageously, over 10 times median income rich, and at that, without any relation to the result. Is three shutdowns in a year, same as Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe an achievement or failure? We have grown so accustomed to mediocre performance in public management that don't even notice anymore and even expect it.

And who said anything about US here? What does entitled Canadian bureaucracy have to do with the US? Again, a distraction? Look there, booga-booga-boo!

Edited October 28, 2021 by myata

[Goddess]

There's a rumour that Trudeau is a major shareholder in the Canadian company that invented the lipid nanoparticles in the vaccine. Which would be a huge conflict of interest.  He would be making money off every vax administered in the world.

I'm trying to find out if this is true.

Would it make any difference to some of you, if it was true?  Would you care?

[cougar]

8 hours ago, Boges said:

Who's they? 

It's the employer's right to ensure a safe workplace. 

I think you're the one who needs help, being so enraged by some limited restrictions during a global pandemic. 

Boges, have it all your way.

[myata]

The country is turning into a scary health-authoritarian state already in reality, not just warnings. According to the news today soon proof of vaccination will be required for all long-distance transport, air, trains and buses. Negative test would be accepted only for a limited time.

Is right to travel a life necessity and a citizen's right? Does perception and interpretation of public safety by anonymous bureaucrats, without any checks and recourse automatically tramp essential rights of citizens?

In Europe, in  environments of presumed higher risk the rule of 3 is applied: proof of recovery, negative test, vaccination. No such nuances appear to exist (why? how was it explained and justified?) in this country. Someone somewhere just decided it, no explanations or reasons. Scary.

Will the courts be called at some points to decide on the limits of bureaucratic authority vs. essential citizen rights like freedom of movement? Or would they silently condone an emergence of a de-facto authoritarian state, indefinitely, under the pretext of safety? I cannot be sure, can you?

And as another interesting coincidence today, the guidelines for so called mRNA booster have been released, in recommended phases. How long was it from "recommendation" to "mandatory" last time? It's no longer speculation, it's here, arrived.

A country of mandated, every so many months RNA boosters, for observable perpetuity, or third rate status in a virtual ghetto with loss of employment and most citizen's rights - is it still only a scary story in the TV?

Edited October 29, 2021 by myata

[Aristides]

There is a right to mobility within the country but there have always been conditions attached to travel on public systems. 

[myata]

Not arbitrary, voluntaristic rules imposed without due process, rational justification, accountability, checks and recourse limiting or violating essential citizen's rights. This is authoritarianism as it is and it has finally arrived (little surprise though) under the "public safety" umbrella. In Germany courts reviewed and threw out overreaching public health regulations that infringed on the rights of citizens. Maybe the lessons are still remembered there.

Public systems do not belong to bureaucrats, they belong to the citizens. Bureaucrats in public democratic systems have to follow due process, explain, justify and defend their decisions, with checks, oversight and recourse when they infringe on the rights of citizens. Not so in paternalistic-authoritarian systems. Sure it's here, can't argue with the eyes.

Edited October 29, 2021 by myata

[myata]

Yes I know, conspiracy theories and such, the problem is, it's just keep happening. Either theories in the ear, or the reality in the eyes, choose one. First, it was entirely voluntary (though strongly suggested), only temporarily and for "non essential" services. Got it? Done.

Then the federal government helps to harmonize it between the provinces, our of sheer generosity and on its own (sorry, whose?) dime. Done.

Now, it, the government makes it the condition to access not so "non essential" services like employment, EI and travel. Passport, in a few cycles, and why not? Need to see the family in another province, have to get it sorry, not accepted. Point 3, done.

Where are we? We are now at p. 3, out of 4, done. And the four being, "meep your vaccination status has expired - please proceed to the nearest boosting location". For as long as necessary. As defined by someone wise somewhere. What, "Twilight zone", a scary future but only a show, thankfully?

The country is becoming a dim and hope-less place. And scary too, like we the wise and entitled ones always know best, no questions asked scary. Like Dr expert Charlie Smith scary. And if wrong (again) then belated decades on oops and apology. That should do it, as always did.

I really wouldn't mind being proven wrong on this, the people are friendly and nice. Just don't see where it could come from, sorry.

[cougar]

44 minutes ago, myata said:

The country is becoming a dim and hope-less place. And scary too, like we the wise and entitled ones always know best, no questions asked scary.

I wanted to formally ask the minister what their intentions were for those who refuse to vaccinate.  I wrote to him, this leaves the unvaccinated with the only alternative of losing their homes and dying of starvation.  I asked him to confirm that this is what he wants to do.  

While going back and forth on that and filling out disclosure requests, our minister Horgan, went into surgery and appointed an interim replacement.  In his announcement to the public he suggests that everyone with medical concerns should get checked right away.

Now even before these stooges dismiss 4,090 unvaccinated medical staff, our system is in a state where people with a lump on their necks like Horgan's will wait for months to see a doctor and unclear how many more months to actually get into surgery; not like him jumping in the very next day.

They all seem to be so disinformed and plain stupid that the situation is getting completely ridiculous.  How come we are managed by this type of dim wits??

Edited October 29, 2021 by cougar

[myata]

Maybe because in 160 years and counting has anybody cared who's managing them and how?

And by now it's way out in denial and its confidence in knowing everything no matter what and no questions asked (while entitled to obscene entitlements, how else). And only a meaningful citizen action could bring such cases of severe detachment from reality back to their senses. But do you see many citizens around? No can't see where change and hope could come from here. Sorry.

Edited October 29, 2021 by myata

[Army Guy]

On 10/29/2021 at 2:39 PM, Aristides said:

There is a right to mobility within the country but there have always been conditions attached to travel on public systems. 

That has not always been the case, during the lock down in NB , All land borders were locked down , nobody in except if you lived here, everyone else was turned around, NO body from NB was allowed to leave NB by land except on very specific reasons. Travel by air was permitted but with some restrictions until it was locked down with essential travel only...

Thats is like telling people yes you can fly any where you want , there is a pail of feathers and a bucket of glue good luck...

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

That has not always been the case, during the lock down in NB , All land borders were locked down , nobody in except if you lived here, everyone else was turned around, NO body from NB was allowed to leave NB by land except on very specific reasons. Travel by air was permitted but with some restrictions until it was locked down with essential travel only...

Thats is like telling people yes you can fly any where you want , there is a pail of feathers and a bucket of glue good luck...

Not the same thing but I get your point about NB. I don't know how they made that stick. Essential air travel wasn't a rule, there was no one vetting travellers and arbitrarily deciding whether their trip was essential.

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by Aristides

[myata]

The size of Covid-19 virus is approximately 100 nanometers. That's 1 / 10,000 of an average flea. Having mentioned that, yet another scary Covid case story hit airwaves this morning on CBC's national morning news report. Say some day there are 300 ICU patients with Covid yes it happened and in just one province. Say you describe, in every scary detail, every single one of them in the "news" reports. That would be enough for a year! with good salaries and benefits, not to mention the feeling of satisfaction for a job well done (OK that's relative). Yes, but there must be, has to be some newsworthy element there, for a national news service? You are not mistaken, there was: upon recovery, the patient is thinking of starting a support group. Bingo, get it in the news!

In the meanwhile, over 150,000 people were diagnosed annually with heart disease in Canada. Imagine the potential! if only we could find as many news reports... is it a shortage of a vital resource already?

Media is a mirror of the society and judging by this country's media we exist to fight Covid and talk about climate (what was the progress toward the previous goal in the third mandate of this government, and four or five before it, in close to three decades?). Pump, pump, pump Covid, boom boom boom climate till part of the population is scared out of their wits and the other, wouldn't trust or care about anything. Does it look smart to you, in the mirror? Intelligent, willing and resourceful?

In decades we didn't know or care to notices that is coming out so clear in just under two years. And how would we know, or even notice if it wasn't for a tiny virus?

[Aristides]

Heart disease isn't highly contagious. I can't count how many times that has been said.

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Heart disease isn't highly contagious. I can't count how many times that has been said.

that doesn't mean that heart disease is a much bigger problem than covid

and yet isn't used as an excuse to justify authoritarian crackdowns

nor should it be

and neither should covid

Edited November 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

Heart disease isn't highly contagious. I can't count how many times that has been said.

You have missed the point entirely and I'm too bored to repeat the obvious on the umpteenth iteration.

[Aristides]

Worldwide Covid deaths just topped five million. It is the third largest cause of death after heart disease and stroke. And it is highly CONTAGIOUS.

[Boges]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that doesn't mean that heart disease is a much bigger problem than covid

and yet isn't used as an excuse to justify authoritarian crackdowns

nor should it be

and neither should covid

When people point this out, I always wonder what practical solutions they would propose. 

A Soda Tax? Scrapping subsidies for Corn? Implementing Subsidies for Fresh fruits and vegetables? 

Or just free Gym memberships? 

One excellent way to tackle obesity is to make the food supply scarce again. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Boges

[myata]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Worldwide Covid deaths just topped five million. It is the third largest cause of death after heart disease and stroke. And it is highly CONTAGIOUS.

In Dr Goebbels playbook, repetition makes up for explanation and argumentation, and fear and coercion - for intelligent communications, smart plan and effective action. Looks like he has good students.