The Boomer Flu

[bush_cheney2004]

Mandatory vaccine/passport protest in Vancouver...there are many others...easy to find in Canada.   "BEWARE of the BULLSHIT VARIANT"

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vaccine-passport-protest-1.6161817

 

[Aristides]

On 9/6/2021 at 10:41 AM, WestCanMan said:

The Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964. They are from 57 to 75 yrs old now. 

That generation has had a greater effect on the economy than any other generation based on their huge numbers. When they were kids there was a toy boom. Then there was a vehicle boom when they were young adults. As that group reaches every new stage in life there's a new economic trend coming with them. 

Now they're getting into the 'dangerous flu season' age.

The lobbyists at Big Pharma have always tried to get vaccinations mandatory for certain groups but they never got traction, and mandatory vaxxes were defeated in court. Here's an example: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-headlines/b-c-nurses-union-continues-fight-over-mandatory-flu-shots-1.1039192

Was Big Pharma waiting patiently for the Boomers, and poised to spread hysteria when the boomers started to become the elderly generation? 

This pandemic started off with hokey pictures of old Chinese men laying down in the street, and at no point has C19 ever shown that it poses a risk to healthy individuals - just like the flu.

It's just a simple fact that when the Boomers get into their 60s and 70s, flu seasons are going to start to look roided out. 

Is covid just 'The Boomer Flu"?

Having been exposed to all the diseases we now vaccinate for, Boomers were smart enough to have their kids vaccinated. Some of the kids didn't inherit their parents smarts.

Edited September 7, 2021 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Having been exposed to all the diseases we now vaccinate for, Boomers were smart enough to have their kids vaccinated. Some of the kids didn't inherit their parents smarts.

In Canada, we vaccinate our children against things like: 

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diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib), rotavirus, hepatitis B, measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, pneumococcal and meningococcal diseases, and human papillomavirus virus (HPV)

If you had to choose, would you take your chances with C19 at 30, or with polio, rubella, meningitis, or whooping cough as a child? (This is like a really easy IQ test.)   

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Mandatory vaccine/passport protest in Vancouver...there are many others...easy to find in Canada.   "BEWARE of the BULLSHIT VARIANT"

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vaccine-passport-protest-1.6161817

 

‘Variants” are the main excuse to maintain restrictions.  “Waning immunity” is another one.  Don’t worry though, we can maintain restrictions and throw countless billions at pharmaceuticals for mandatory boosters.  Personal choice doesn’t matter, nor do the particulars of one’s health.  It can all be directed and enforced by the threat of unemployment and poverty.  That’s what’s happening in Canada right now.  

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, myata said:

That may very well be true, I saw a published story with 159 overdose cases (July 2021) in just one month in one province (BC).

It was arguable that the cure, restrictions, was worse than the disease before vaccines became available, but now that almost 80% of eligible people are vaccinated, there’s absolutely no justification for mandatory restrictions.  

Edited September 8, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, myata said:

So the questions should be addressed not to me but to the authorities,

They were addressed to the authorities but you don’t agree with their answer so I’m asking you.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Here are the Top 10 annual causes of death in Canada before 2020...so just add COVID-19 to the list.  This is Canadian data...not USA or Americans...easy to find.

https://www.finder.com/ca/what-are-the-top-10-causes-of-death-in-canada

 

Rank	Cause of death	Total number of deaths
1	Cancer	80,152
2	Heart disease	52,541
3	Accidents	13,746
4	Cerebrovascular diseases	13,660
5	Chronic lower respiratory diseases	12,823
6	Diabetes	6,912
7	Flu and pneumonia	6,893
8	Alzheimer’s disease	6,166
9	Suicide	4,012
10	Kidney diseases	3,767

Officially, if you tally up every death announced by every province and territory, there were 15,606 people killed by the novel coronavirus in this country in 2020 – equivalent to nearly twice the population of Banff, Alta.

That number would have represented Canada's third-leading cause of death in any year since the turn of the century, according to Statistics Canada data.
 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/1/5/1_5254420.html

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, Shady said:

Young healthy people die more from the flu.  Get vaccinated.  

Prove that claim please. Got a link?

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Summarized for simpler take in and added Covid:

Major disease             169,855

Covid-19                     15,500 (2020)

Accidents                    13,746

Flu and pneumonia     8,511 (2018)

Overdose                     6214 (2020)

Alzheimer's                  6,166

Suicide                         4,012

Everybody can do the math. None of the above, except one, warranted extraordinary population-wide restrictions with no clear end in sight. This is not to diminish the seriousness of the problem, but clearly the sky is not falling and the correct approach would be not taking marches in random directions but an intelligent balance of risks and mitigation measures to protect vulnerable, offer and provide the best and quickest help to those who need it and normal, as much as possible, functioning of the society.

Cancer and heart disease and accidents are not contagious.   The only items on your list that are contagious are Covid-19 and the flu, with COVID being far more contagious and killing nearly twice as many people. 
 

Again look the shithole red states where the infected have totally filled up overwhelmed hospitals and ICU wards and are dying in droves, entire schools are repeatedly shutdown due to large outbreaks among students and staff….all this even now more than a year and half into the pandemic when we should already have this under control. But those states are in their worst crisis since the pandemic started.   Is that what we should do, fill up our hospitals and constantly shut down entire schools due to constant outbreaks?

[myata]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That number would have represented Canada's third-leading cause of death in any year since the turn of the century, according to Statistics Canada data.

Alzheimer, overdose and suicide combined killed more people in Canada than Covid in 2020, the numbers were posted earlier. Covid toll includes people with serious chronic conditions.

Again this is not to say that it's not a serious problem or it should be neglected. But on the background of other known causes it makes approximately 7%. And so again, should severity of mandated measures be proportional to the risk to the general population (and it's direct responsibility of those who are paid for it to ensure that vulnerable and those needing help are protected with the best methods possible). Can we continue to replace direct responsibility with wild chases in random directions?

Edited September 8, 2021 by myata

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There were far more 'young and healthy people' who died of the vaxxes. Do you have their anecdotes as well? 

There were “far more”?  Got a link for that or just making shit up again?

[myata]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Is that what we should do, fill up our hospitals and constantly shut down entire schools due to constant outbreaks?

I'm not going to keep repeating it to everyone who comes up with the same great idea but just this once, two bads don't make one right, and a glaring failure to prepare for an epidemics that was in the making for two decades is not a valid excuse for continuing indiscriminate population-wide restrictions, without even clear evidence that they are doing much. The correct answer is not "because we screwed up you have to", but here's what was done for your money and here you can see how it works. And if does not work, or wouldn't work as expected, what were the money taken for?

Edited September 8, 2021 by myata

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Car crashes kill a thousand times more healthy people than covid. Do you want to set the speed limit on the highway to 50MPH, set the city limit to 15MPH, and give out tickets of $200 to anyone who goes 1MPH over the speed limit? Do you want to send people to jail for going 10MPH over the limit? Do you want to instantly send people to jail for a year if they blow .071? 

Sounds crazy, but so does lockdowns and mandatory vaxxes for C19. 

OMG. Are you serious?  Just please reflect on the fact that government imposes speed limits, traffic laws, licensing and insurance reqemts, seatbelt laws, stop signs, traffic lights, vehicle safety standards, etc. THOSE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY RESTRICTIONS  IN RESPONSE TO DEATHS- NO DIFFERENT THAN COVID RESTRICTIONS 

 

Luckily we didn’t have populist nutjobs back then on the verge of terrorist attacks over having to wear seatbelts like we have now over having to wear masks. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

25 minutes ago, myata said:

The correct answer is not "because we screwed up you have to", but here's what was done for your money and here you can see how it works. And if does not work, or wouldn't work as expected, what were the money taken for?

The money was taken for what you got.  If you haven’t noticed, we’ve been living with under  a regime of austerity for 40 years where they barely fund what’s needed for todays needs much less maintaining empty surplus ICU wards and school houses decade after decade in case of some hypothetical disease outbreak in the distant future. 
 

Also don’t forget that in the US most hospitals are private so what do think they should have been doing and who is to blame?

[BeaverFever]

58 minutes ago, myata said:

Alzheimer, overdose and suicide combined killed more people in Canada than Covid in 2020, the numbers were posted earlier. Covid toll includes people with serious chronic conditions.

Again this is not to say that it's not a serious problem or it should be neglected. But on the background of other known causes it makes approximately 7%. And so again, should severity of mandated measures be proportional to the risk to the general population (and it's direct responsibility of those who are paid for it to ensure that vulnerable and those needing help are protected with the best methods possible). Can we continue to replace direct responsibility with wild chases in random directions?

So now we’re combining causes of death to make covids death toll seem less important?  It’s the 3rd largest cause. 7% is a big number.

Mandated measures aren’t really that severe, despite what the anti-vax crowd says. Only in our spoiled and overindulged times do these minor inconveniences get compared to the holocaust and crimes against humanity.  If only the Greatest Generation that actually was born before most mass vaccinations were available, lived through the Great Depression, and fought against the ACTUAL holocaust and crimes against humanity could see how their descendants are now they would hang their heads in shame over how we react to our supposed “sacrifices”.   The few that are still alive today are the most vulnerable to COVID and are the first to be written off as expendable by those who can’t bear to briefly wear a mask in a store or postpone a beach vacation.  Shameful. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

Now would you please post some of the many horror stories out there about the many hundreds if not thousands of people that have suffered serious harm to their bodies or have even died from and after taking those experimental gene therapy vaccines? Believe me, from what I have been reading and hearing lately, there are plenty of those horror stories going around. One woman lost both her arms and legs after taking a covid vaccine jab. Holy shit, cowboy. ?

So, come on, eh. Post and give us the other side of the story for a change instead of just the one that you want to push.

You now have the floor. Use it wisely. ?

This report was last updated on September 3, 2021 with data up to and including August 27, 2021.

52,902,389 Doses administered

3,768 Serious Adverse Events (0.007% of all doses administered)

 

An event is considered serious if it:

• results in death
• is life-threatening (an event/reaction in which the patient was at real, rather than hypothetical, risk of death at the time of the event/reaction)
• requires in-patient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization
• results in persistent or significant disability/incapacity, or
• results in a congenital anomaly/birth defect

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/#a2

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

...Again look the shithole red states where the infected have totally filled up overwhelmed hospitals and ICU wards and are dying in droves, entire schools are repeatedly shutdown due to large outbreaks among students and staff….

 

Whatever happens in another country (United States) will not have any impact on the healthcare shortfalls that exist in Canada's "red" or "blue" provinces, where hospital/ICU capacities were already running low because of chronic issues.  Alienating skilled nursing staff and other health care professionals with COVID segregation is not helping matters.

The people of "red state" Alabama worry far more about their Crimsom Tide football team...not what is happening in Canada for COVID-19, where there isn't even an approved domestic vaccine yet.

Edited September 8, 2021 by bush_cheney2004

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Whatever happens in another country (United States) will not have any impact on the healthcare shortfalls that exist in Canada's "red" or "blue" provinces, where hospital/ICY capacities were already running low because of chronic issues.  Alienating skilled nursing staff and other health care professionals with COVID segregation is not helping matters.

The people of "red state" Alabama worry far more about their Crimsom Tide football team...not what is happening in Canada for COVID-19, where there isn't even an approved domestic vaccine yet.

Or very good football, for that matter.  

 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Prove that claim please. Got a link?

It’s backed up by actual science, not a list of anecdotal cherry picked cases.

Study suggests COVID-19 in children is milder than the flu

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210614/Study-suggests-COVID-19-in-children-is-milder-than-the-flu.aspx

Covid is dangerous to older and sick people.  To pretend that everyone is at similar risk is anti science.  Covid is more harmful to adults, much less to children.  The flu tends to be the opposite.  The mortality rate of covid in children is something like less than one in every million.   The flu has a higher mortality rate in children than covid.  Enough with your fear mongering nonsense already.

[BeaverFever]

15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Whatever happens in another country (United States) will not have any impact on the healthcare shortfalls that exist in Canada's "red" or "blue" provinces, where hospital/ICU capacities were already running low because of chronic issues.  Alienating skilled nursing staff and other health care professionals with COVID segregation is not helping matters.

The people of "red state" Alabama worry far more about their Crimsom Tide football team...not what is happening in Canada for COVID-19, where there isn't even an approved domestic vaccine yet.

On any day in any year COVID or no COVID, its far better to be sick in Canada than sick in the USA ….unless you’re a millionaire of course.   Of course Canadians know more about what goes on in Alabama than vice versa. Humans know more about shellfish than shellfish  do about humans.  Doesn’t mean the shellfish  are superior. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s backed up by actual science, not a list of anecdotal cherry picked cases.

Study suggests COVID-19 in children is milder than the flu

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210614/Study-suggests-COVID-19-in-children-is-milder-than-the-flu.aspx

Covid is dangerous to older and sick people.  To pretend that everyone is at similar risk is anti science.  Covid is more harmful to adults, much less to children.  The flu tends to be the opposite.  The mortality rate of covid in children is something like less than one in every million.   The flu has a higher mortality rate in children than covid.  Enough with your fear mongering nonsense already.

What children. Who’s talking about children?  Nobody in this thread has been talking about children. Enough with your bait-and-switch strawman nonsense already. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by BeaverFever

[bush_cheney2004]

52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

On any day in any year COVID or no COVID, its far better to be sick in Canada than sick in the USA ….unless you’re a millionaire of course.   Of course Canadians know more about what goes on in Alabama than vice versa. Humans know more about shellfish than shellfish  do about humans.  Doesn’t mean the shellfish  are superior. 

 

The people of Alabama...or any other U.S. state...do not need to constantly reassure themselves with such comparisons.  

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The people of Alabama...or any other U.S. state...do not need to constantly reassure themselves with such comparisons.  

Sure they do. “American Exceptionalism” is the belief that all aspects of American life are infinitely superior to anywhere else and it is one of the America’s core values that’s been drilled into every school child’s head for generations .  
 

America’s current societal collapse is partially a reaction to Americans’ growing realization over the past 10-20 years of just how false that idea is.  

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There were “far more”?  Got a link for that or just making shit up again?

Dude, you had about 6 anecdotes out of probably 500M people who got covid. Over 7,000 people died within 3 days of taking the vaccine. 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/ 13 yr-old died in his sleep within 3 days of getting the shot. 

[BeaverFever]

If vaccines are so bad and so dangerous, why does every public official in every country from just about every political party - from local public health staffers to heads of state  - promote getting vaccinated?  Why did your deity Trump launch “operation warp speed “ to develop and roll out vaccines?

 

You don’t honestly believe that drug companies have bribed the whole world including Trump, do you?  While US politicians and especially Trump are easily bribed and manipulated by lobbyists and corporations, there’s not enough money in existence to bribe everyone in the world from all political parties and get them all to cooperate in some obscure and the far-fetched conspiracy to wipe out the human race……or whatever nefarious plot you think they have going .