CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Posted August 3, 2021 51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Sounds great so what are we waiting for, lets get the show on the road open up get rid of the fuckin useless mask mandate. Everything back to normal. We will be in the fourth wave soon because of you and those like you who refused to take the vaccine. Some not only spreading the virus but false rumors and misinformation as well and considering that many thousands may be hundreds of thousands in this country cannot take the vaccine for health reasons or the vaccine don't work on them because there are immune compromised then you are committing a crime. If I was the government I would have had balls to make it mandatory or those who refuse vaccine would not be allowed to leave their homes till pandemic is over. Those unvaccinated who caught leaving home would have dealt with as criminals. Our governments need to find the balls to do the right thing. Quote
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Shady said: You’re a traitor, and a fascist. Get fully vaccinated so that you have nothing to worry about. And then please, for everyone’s sake, STFU. Once fully vaccinated you have a greater chance of being killed in a car accident than dying from covid. Your whole traitor shtick is so disgusting and anti-Canadian. STFU you tin pot dictator fascist wannabe POS. Not in the habit of taking instructions from conspiracy tards. Go to Florida, tard, and beg Trump to lick his toilet for him. It's about all the use you are in life. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 6 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I have no skin in this to lie. You're a conspiracy loony. You aren't capable of telling lies from truth. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: If the vaccines work, they provide herd immunity. That means even if there are transmissions after mass vaccination, there’s not going to be an outbreak. They're already seeing outbreaks even in areas of high vaccination because of the unvaccinated catching it and passing it on to others. Yes, the vaccinated are rarely suffering much damage from these, but as the disease continues to churn through the population we are threatened with further mutations which could penetrate the protection from vaccines. And the people who are not terribly healthy, even if they have been vaccinated, CAN suffer greatly if they catch this. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
OftenWrong Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: We will be in the fourth wave soon because of you and those like you who refused to take the vaccine. Some not only spreading the virus but false rumors and misinformation as well and considering that many thousands may be hundreds of thousands in this country cannot take the vaccine for health reasons or the vaccine don't work on them because there are immune compromised then you are committing a crime. If I was the government I would have had balls to make it mandatory or those who refuse vaccine would not be allowed to leave their homes till pandemic is over. Those unvaccinated who caught leaving home would have dealt with as criminals. Our governments need to find the balls to do the right thing. I just thank god this is Canada, where people like me are free to choose what we believe is the right thing. It has no effect on you. I don’t have covid. My immune system is in great shape, I without the vaccine could easily handle the virus, in some case better than people who are vaccinated. I could even be exposed and not get infected. You have no right to assume I am sick. Quote
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: They all had nice hair though. Argus has nothing in common with that. I've actually grown quite an impressive beard lately. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Shady said: I hope Argus has stopped driving now, since there’s a higher chance of being killed in a car accident than dying from covid fully vaccinated. I know this is hard for a loser like you to contemplate, but not all of us are solely concerned with ourselves. Some of us worry about other people too. I guess being an incel with no friends that's not a concern of yours, though. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
OftenWrong Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Argus said: I've actually grown quite an impressive beard lately. It figures Quote
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) No good arguments against vaccine passports, says ethicist. And I agree. Keep the looneys away and let ordinary people go about their business. Our most famous defence of individual liberty comes from 19th-century British philosopher J. S. Mill, who argued that individuals should be free to live their lives as they see fit, without coercive interference. However, when your autonomous choice poses a risk of harm to others then it may be legitimate for society to limit your liberty. Every liberty limitation requires justification: Is there a proven risk of serious harm to others? Is the least coercive means being used? Will the coercion actually achieve the desired end? Is it likely to produce proportionately more good than harm? The case for vaccine passports seems to pass all of Mill's tests: Public health is a supreme value; restoring liberty to as many people as possible as quickly and safely as possible is a pressing social need. There will be a reduction of liberty for the unvaccinated but the harm done will be proportional. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/opinion-national-covid-19-vaccine-passports-arthur-schafer-1.6122386 Edited August 3, 2021 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
QuebecOverCanada Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It figures Probably a neckbeard, with lots of crusty old cheddar chips. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Argus said: I know this is hard for a loser like you to contemplate, but not all of us are solely concerned with ourselves. Some of us worry about other people too. I guess being an incel with no friends that's not a concern of yours, though. Dude you look like a keyboard warrior having an anxiety attack. Take a breather man. Are you ok? Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Argus said: They have the right to prevent the unvaccinated from participating in their world, in their life, to exclude them utterly and prevent them from partaking in the normal social aspects of society. They can't go to any public events, shows, can't join any group ,club or sporting activity, and their kids can't go to school. nope they have the right to stay out of their world, not the right to keep them out the world the vaccinated do not have any more right to society than the unvaccinated, if they are upset about that, too bad Edited August 3, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Posted August 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I just thank god this is Canada, where people like me are free to choose what we believe is the right thing. It has no effect on you. I don’t have covid. My immune system is in great shape, I without the vaccine could easily handle the virus, in some case better than people who are vaccinated. I could even be exposed and not get infected. You have no right to assume I am sick. I hope you are right about your immune system but even if true you may not get sick yourself but you can still transmit the virus to others and many of those others may be unvaccinated or immune compromised Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nope they have the right to stay out of their world, not the right to keep them out the world the vaccinated do not have any more right to society than the unvaccinated, if they are upset about that, too bad No unvaccinated people have less rights when it comes to travelling, visiting sensitive places like hospitals or long term care or schools or even most common places because they are the main source of transmission. It is like smokers. They do not have the right to smoke in public places because they make other people sick Quote
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Probably a neckbeard, with lots of crusty old cheddar chips. Can you even grow hair on your tiny balls, boy? 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the vaccinated do not have any more right to society than the unvaccinated, if they are upset about that, too bad You're clearly wrong. They're already starting to do this in the US. And Canada has been doing it with schools for decades. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: No unvaccinated people have less rights when it comes to travelling, visiting sensitive places like hospitals or long term care or schools or even most common places because they are the main source of transmission. It is like smokers. They do not have the right to smoke in public places because they make other people sick another thing that is dumb smokers should be allowed to smoke in public Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: You're clearly wrong. They're already starting to do this in the US. And Canada has been doing it with schools for decades. what is being done and what should be done according to actual rights are two different things freedom haters abounding doesn't change that Edited August 3, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Argus said: Can you even grow hair on your tiny balls, boy? Not yet, and I'm not at the stage where I'm in my basement in my mid life crisis calling to segregate those I deem intellectually inferior to me on a forum. And it has nothing to do with age, but mental health. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Posted August 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: smokers should be allowed to smoke in public This comment goes to the heart of your credibility, if any. I guess in your view drunk drivers should be allowed to drive too. Why not they only endanger the life of innocent bystanders like smokers. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Probably a neckbeard, with lots of crusty old cheddar chips. Sure. All of the great soviets were bearded men. Quote
Winston Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 57 minutes ago, Argus said: Every liberty limitation requires justification: Is there a proven risk of serious harm to others? Is the least coercive means being used? Will the coercion actually achieve the desired end? Is it likely to produce proportionately more good than harm? If this is the argument, where is the scientific evidence that answers each one of these questions? I asked CITIZEN_2015 but nothing was produced. There is potential to this argument. Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 The traditional vaccines are well tested and have been used for 30 or 40 years, maybe even more. I dont look shit up, you clowns go do that. Point is by now we know how they work and how safe they are. I object to bypassing the safety standards. Ok if it has to be done in emergency, fine but then I object to making it mandatory. Let each person make an informed choice, based on understanding the risk. Or else why do we still need to sign a permission form and waiver? If I have to take the shot, am I still forced to sign? Quote
Zeitgeist Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) If you're vaccinated and healthy you're safe to live an unrestricted life. If the unvaccinated want to roll the dice with their lives, that's their prerogative. Why dictate when 80% of the population has had at least one vaccine and two thirds of the population is fully vaccinated? More people are getting the jab each day. Yes over the years there will be mutations just as there are with the flu. New boosters will be developed. It's time to for people to decide how much they want to mask up and protect themselves and their children. Are we going to check every unmasked person's passport to make sure that they have the vaccine? I can understand it for certain health care. If countries want to require proof of vaccination for entry, they can do that. I think we need to leave it at that. Continued mandatory restrictions are a bit compulsive at this point. If people want to stay home, shrink wrap themselves, or cover their faces with packing tape, they can do that. There are healthy fully vaccinated people who will do that. Businesses can try to require passports if they think the public will go for that. People will patronize the businesses that they like. It's time for government-mandated restrictions to end and personal responsibility to begin. The public should demand this of government or we'll likely live under restrictions for a very long time. Not everyone will be eligible to get the vaccine. Time to move on. Edited August 3, 2021 by Zeitgeist Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted August 3, 2021 Report Posted August 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: This comment goes to the heart of your credibility, if any. I guess in your view drunk drivers should be allowed to drive too. Why not they only endanger the life of innocent bystanders like smokers. the life of bystanders is protected by other laws manslaughter is illegal, in case you were unaware Quote
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