Should we all be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada before voting?

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I can say that my mental faculties were not suspended while serving in the army

I grew up in the shadow of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers

I was not in anyway naive about the Military Industrial Congressional Complex

but that is a civilian thing, it is the civilians who run the racket

the point of being an infantryman was simply the male dominance hierarchy

to be a hunter killer, to go and see the Elephant as the British used to say

I went in eyes wide open, knowing full well what the context was

but as Army Guy says, it's not about the politics, it's only about the men to the left & right of you

we few, we happy few, we band of brothers who face the crucible together

there was no politics therein, the politics was for the civilians, we were simply the instruments of their policies

once they turned it into a Woke feminist vagina monologue however, it lost all meaning to we alpha males

The Canadian military of today appears to becoming more of a mish-mash of soldiers of all sizes and shapes and colors and genders and sexual orientations. We see short and fat soldiers standing next to tall skinny soldiers. Some soldiers are seen wearing standard issued military hats while others wear turbans. When we look at the old military uniforms and the men who wore them in the past they looked great and looked like real soldiers. All looked the same and in uniform. Today, they look like a bunch of misfit and weird and funny looking soldiers standing at attention. LOL. 

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

The Canadian military of today appears to becoming more of a mish-mash of soldiers of all sizes and shapes and colors and genders and sexual orientations. We see short and fat soldiers standing next to tall skinny soldiers. Some soldiers are seen wearing standard issued military hats while others wear turbans. When we look at the old military uniforms and the men who wore them in the past they looked great and looked like real soldiers. All looked the same and in uniform. Today, they look like a bunch of misfit and weird and funny looking soldiers standing at attention. LOL. 

well, there's actually two armies now

they strip away the best troops and put them in Canadian Special Operations Forces Command

CANSOFCOM get the best troops, they have the budget, and they can bypass the procurement process to buy equipment

the result is that the rest of the army is undermanned, poorly equipped, scraping the bottom of the barrel

but the politicians want secrecy, they don't want to be held accountable

and CANSOFCOM operates under the cloak of secrecy, so they get all the love from Ottawa

it's like an elite army in of itself,  within the larger army of vagina monologue feminist troops

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

wtf does any of that matter now ?

literally every institution in Canada has fallen to an American pseudo Nazi cult called the Woke

literally every government policy of the government of Canada is about Wokeness now

why bother to post that wall of text, when that Canada is gone ?

  it was gone overnight, the moment the American Woke showed up

lift up your head and look around, who are you even trying to convince ?

there are those of us who remember Canada, we're called the old people

the young in Canada know nothing other than this witches brew of Wokeness, Green & Modern Monetary Theory

Canada is selling everything you believe in down the river to the highest bidder

the Woke Americans, or the Red Chinese, those are Canada's masters now

if you are not in revolt against this Canada now, you are not even Canadian at all

You're right.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You're right.

 I'm still a Loyalist standing upon the Heights of Queenston

I didn't leave the Canada party, the Canada party left me

the counterculture is where it's at, the Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale

a Scots German Empire, seeking a Northwest Passage, to race the roaring Fraser to the sea

 

[Moonlight Graham]

17 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Americans simply rejected the will of the British Parliament

the Crown was trying to prevent them from going West, which was Ohio at the time

The Americans told King George to shove it.   Being a republic isn't british at all.  The US didn't makes themselves their own monarchy, they told the dictators to shove it and Washington despite being extremely popular and people urging him to run again said i'm not going to run for a 3rd POTUS term, I won't be like a king for life because monarchs suck.

17 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but the American system of governance is British

the Bill of Rights didn't come from Kentucky, it came over on the boat from Scotland

the first Americans to rebel against the Crown, were Scots, the Regulators of South Carolina, in 1771

we're talking about the arc of the Enlightenment itself, with the British has the torch bearers for the world

Yes the US founders were expanding mainly on english philosophical foundations, like John Locke, and expanded on many of the rights the Brits had secured for themselves in Britain against the monarchy since the Magna Carta.  It's an evolution.

Canada might have a british system of governance but that doesn't mean we're british subjects because we're not.  Canada was automatically entered into WWI because Britain had been thrown into it.  Canada had no choice, and after the war Canadians said eff that, thus the Statute of Westminster.  Canada waited a week to enter WWII after Britain declared war, to show their independence.

Quebecers don't want to be British and we shouldn't force them, thus we are Canadians with our own flag, and Canadian citizens instead of British subjects, and we patriated our Queen as the Queen of Canada, not the Queen of Britain.

I'm loyal to the Queen of Canada because she is the head of state and is the symbolic physical embodiment of the nation, not because I lick the Queen's boots.  At this point she's nothing more than a rubber stamp that signs the bills we stick in front of her, except in cases of emergency like a PM/Parliament overstepping their bounds.

[Moonlight Graham]

17 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Fenians annihilated the Queen's Own Rifles at Ridgeway, they were poised to march on York

the Americans were too war weary to invade, having just fought the Civil War, but Canada didn't know that

Canada was looking at a million man American army, and the British were refusing to defend Canada from it

And thus a country was born, to defend itself.

17 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

so it's not that Canadians are docile per se

it is simply deeply ingrained in the Canadian culture, the fear & loathing of America as a mortal peril

so Canadians are indoctrinated to rally around the Confederation in the face of America

but Confederation is not some metaphysical thing, it's just an agreement, a legal construct

Canada has no soul, it's just a massive overreaction to America born in the fires of 1812

You're saying Canada is a country, but not a nation.  Maybe you're right, at least some of the time for some people.  You build a soul by having your own flag, your own citizenship, own national anthem, your own army, navy, your own constitution etc.

A nation is a family united by common bond.  If you want to build a nation, you need to build a sense of common bond.  Family members frequently bicker but at the end of the day are united.  Let the Quebecois have some control over their own destiny in their province, but also give them a reason to be proud to be Canadian.

Defense against the US may have been the main reason for formation but it doesn't have to be the main reason for its continued existence.  The US purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867 a few months before Confederation was signed.   The remaining British colonies in North America had reason to be fearful.  It doesn't so much anymore, as allies.  Canadians have other enemies to worry about now.  If there's anything that will make a country unite it's a common enemy.

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

It does not take a tough SOB to be in the military, the Military and life in general will teach you all of that, our military is made up from people all across the country, not all of them have risen to the standard you think we may have.

Well when you spend years dodging bullets from Nazis, the jerk who cuts in line in front of you at the grocery store doesn't seem so intimidating.

My country is my home and i'll defend it from foreign or internal actors trying to undermine it or take advantage of it for their own interests. I can't shoot a rifle but I can shoot my mouth off lol.

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

well, you're seeing the results now of trying to fabricate that fake country

the Liberals erased the history, and raised multiple generations without a history

now you've got a Potemkin Village, and it fell to the Woke literally overnight

the kids don't believe in the bullshit Liberal Party of Canada village, because it's all bullshit

so they are tearing it down in favour of American culture which they adopted on the internet

you can't fabricate a fake thing and then expect it will survive the coming of a storm

the immigrants are not adopting this fake culture,  neither are the young people, nor are the French

this fool's errand of trying to force everybody to get along will be the doom of Canada

the everybody getting along Canada is a lie,  trying to live a lie always backfires

Canada is basically having a nervous breakdown incited by pathological lying

Well you have some good points in here.

You don't deny your history you embrace it.  Canada is and always has been a gradual evolution, it's the british way lol.  Canadians are british, french, and small parts of everyone else who makes up the nation.

[Nefarious Banana]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

My country is my home and I'll defend it from foreign or internal actors trying to undermine it or take advantage of it for their own interests. I can't shoot a rifle but I can shoot my mouth off.

Noble sentiments . . . . 

Question is: What is the defense tactic against a wave of "wokefull-ness?  

[Dougie93]

32 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're saying Canada is a country, but not a nation.

I simply say what Canada is

the only Confederation of the British Empire,  not like any other of the British colonies

you've got the French in the Confederation, like prisoners in a gilded cage

then the Confederation was a shotgun marriage between British colonies which did not actually get along

then you've got the proximity to the menacing Americans, which makes Canadians do crazy & stupid things

so its a singular jurisdiction, like no other on earth

so trying to apply templates and tropes from other countries, like America for example, simply doesn't work

"Canadians" are not that patriotic, because "Canada" is not really a unitary state

Canada is more like NATO or the European Union, it's an agreement to be a bulwark against America

Canada is more about what it's not than what it is

which is why all these attempts to impose a unitary state centrally planned from Ottawa just end up being fake

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I mean, I was raised in downtown Toronto, to be a cosmopolitan globalist

not that it wasn't a cushy gig, Toronto was exciting and the party never stopped

but I didn't start to understand my own history, the story of my people, until I got to the RCR Battleschool

the RCR battleschool cured me of being a fake Canadian, made me into a real Canadian

but that's all gone now, the Canadian Forces have fallen to the Woke, it's not my army anymore, it's not my country anymore

Our governments have disgraced our military.  They turned their backs on you guys.  It's all about money, these politicians are careerist sociopaths with no honour or allegiance to Canada.  They want to spend on their vanity projects and throw money around buying votes, and giving favours to their corporate lobbyist friends and foreign agents that scratch their back.

But i'll tell you what, they've turned their backs on a lot of Canadians just to further their careers and their own power.  The regular workers, the young people trying to buy a home.  The provinces that throw money around on garbage while our health care systems rot.  You've been betrayed but most of us have too.  Don't take it personally, narcissistic sociopaths only care about themselves

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Noble sentiments . . . . 

Question is: What is the defense tactic against a wave of "wokefull-ness?  

A big mouth and the courage to use it.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

The Canadian military of today appears to becoming more of a mish-mash of soldiers of all sizes and shapes and colors and genders and sexual orientations. We see short and fat soldiers standing next to tall skinny soldiers. Some soldiers are seen wearing standard issued military hats while others wear turbans. When we look at the old military uniforms and the men who wore them in the past they looked great and looked like real soldiers. All looked the same and in uniform. Today, they look like a bunch of misfit and weird and funny looking soldiers standing at attention. LOL. 

Kinda like a bunch of kids in Portland, Oregon getting ready to set a business on fire?

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Noble sentiments . . . . 

Question is: What is the defense tactic against a wave of "wokefull-ness?  

50 cal HMG, Belt feed baby... 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well when you spend years dodging bullets from Nazis, the jerk who cuts in line in front of you at the grocery store doesn't seem so intimidating.

My country is my home and i'll defend it from foreign or internal actors trying to undermine it or take advantage of it for their own interests. I can't shoot a rifle but I can shoot my mouth off lol.

I'm sure he made his peace with dying, does not take long in an active war zone, where you see death and destruction 24 hours a day.. where you could die just taking a shit, or brushing your teeth... once you can over come the fear of dying the rest is easy, well it puts the little stuff into perspective like the dude in the grocery store "not worth the effort" besides you then you have the cops asking all kinds of questions "they don't understand" they see you as just another criminal with PTSD" charging you with assault, getting a criminal record, going to court ya not worth the effort. 

You can't fight city hall, or the will of the majority in this case the way the electoral system is set up... I've come to terms with it some what,  we do have a voice but nobody is willing to hear anything from the right, and the right is not strong enough to take back this country... I hope and pray that one day someone with charisma, knowledge, common sense, takes the reigns and gathers the best minds this country has to offer and puts together a team that can bring us back from the brink...and does what is best for the country, not special interest groups, or people with power and money, or the power over the media.   

I wish you the best, my days of defending are over i have no time or effort to give this country any more.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

The Canadian military of today appears to becoming more of a mish-mash of soldiers of all sizes and shapes and colors and genders and sexual orientations. We see short and fat soldiers standing next to tall skinny soldiers. Some soldiers are seen wearing standard issued military hats while others wear turbans. When we look at the old military uniforms and the men who wore them in the past they looked great and looked like real soldiers. All looked the same and in uniform. Today, they look like a bunch of misfit and weird and funny looking soldiers standing at attention. LOL. 

While the face of our military is changing they all have one thing in common, they all joined the military knowing full well what shape it is in, they think our nations citizens stand behind them, they think our government will support them in their time of need. they are not jaded yet... they still believe in their country, they see hope, and maybe a chance to change all of that. More than i can say about most in this country, who as long as the checks keep coming and they get their slice of pie everything is peachy... 

[cougar]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I don't think you understand completely, most of my comrades in arms have been in combat with me, multiply times, over the years, we did not just share a meal or a movie, we experience life, their ups and downs, death, extreme violence, losses of brothers and sisters,  i don't like them, I love them,.........

OK, OK,OK and what did you accomplish with that combat?

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Our governments have disgraced our military.  They turned their backs on you guys.

not me personally, I was treated very well by the army

the training was best in the world

it was tough, but fair

the rations, the quarters, everything was top notch

I even had a beautiful girlfriend in Petawawa

 I was not personally hard done by, it was the best of times

  the Canadian taxpayer owes me nothing personally, I have no complaints about how I was treated

it's the institution which they have disgraced, it's the institution that matters

[Dougie93]

it's the same with Canada itself

in the grand scheme of things, nothing really bad has ever happened to me

I got everything I ever wanted in life, I got it all, I have no complaints about my personal life

but the institution of Canada is failing

to the threshold of totalitarianism now,  thought crime, which is an abomination

[Dougie93]

turns out, we couldn't stop Communism after all

all that training to fight the Soviets, what a big waste of time

Canada has gone Communist of its own free will

Canada the lick spittle cronies of the Chicoms in Beijing

Hockey Night in Canada brought to you by disgusting cowardly sycophants working for the Stalinists in Beijing

Canada, the place where the people are afraid to speak their minds, lest they be attacked by a mob of filthy Communists

[cougar]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

all that training to fight the Soviets, what a big waste of time

 

Why would you even consider fighting the Soviets or any other nation for that matter??

If they are not waging war to you and not threatening to cross the border; why?

Because socialism is bad?  Where did that voice for democracy went?  If Soviets want to be a socialist country leave them be.

 

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, cougar said:

Why would you even consider fighting the Soviets or any other nation for that matter??

If they are not waging war to you and not threatening to cross the border; why?

Because socialism is bad?  Where did that voice for democracy went?  If Soviets want to be a socialist country leave them be.

 

I was a state sanctioned mass murderer, I didn't make policy, I was merely an instrument of policy

the fact that I despise socialists and would like to kill them, was just a side benefit

[cougar]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I was a state sanctioned mass murderer, I didn't make policy, I was merely an instrument of policy

the fact that I despise socialists and would like to kill them, was just a side benefit

If you like to see yourself  in the role of a mass murderer and are looking to legitimize your killing whoever, in whatever country you are sent to, without even giving it a fleeting thought as to why, then the military is the right place for you.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, cougar said:

If you like to see yourself  in the role of a mass murderer and are looking to legitimize your killing whoever, in whatever country you are sent to, without even giving it a fleeting thought as to why, then the military is the right place for you.

the military in of itself was not enough, I'm an alpha male apex predator, so it had to be the infantry for me

I would never be satisfied killing a socialist by pushing a button on a console

I want to close with them, destroy them at bayonet range

[cougar]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I would never be satisfied killing a socialist by pushing a button on a console

 

How do you tell they are socialist when you're killing them?  Is it not possible you killed good capitalists by mistake?

How do you deal with socialists in Canada now, swarming your place?   Without a license to kill, must be tough.