Liberals to greatly increase immigration in coming years.

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, cougar said:

1.Now with the 1.5 million immigrants every 3 years, you will soon be a minority and lucky to see a new Canadian movie for Canadian whites.

2. I would ask our minister of immigration if they are supposed to integrate to us or we to them.  Classes in Punjabi and Mandarin may be appropriate.

1. Nice.  You didn't answer my question though.
2. "Supposed to".  Do you enjoy the government telling either immigrants or homegrown Canadians how to live ?
 

[cougar]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do you enjoy the government telling either immigrants or homegrown Canadians how to live ?
 

It is not about telling anyone what to do, or that someone enjoying it or not.

If we make claims to be a "nation" and have a "culture" and live in a "society" then, one would expect certain conditions to be met:

Definitions:

Nation  - A nation is a stable community of people formed on the basis of a common language, territory, history, ethnicity, or psychological make-up manifested in a common culture. 

- in other words we are not a nation

Culture - the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.

- in other words we have no Canadian culture.  Putting 100 different cultures together does not make 1 new culture.

Society - an organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes.

- forget about the religious, cultural, scientific or patriotic reasons.  We qualify as a society only under "other purposes" namely economic reason, escaping war zones or making money.

[Army Guy]

On 11/5/2020 at 10:12 AM, dialamah said:

As has been pointed out to you time and again, immigrants take on the values of their host country, over time.  This has been shown in multiple studies around the world.

Not to mention, we've managed to push our "progressive" causes along, even in the last 50 years, despite the resistance of conservatives and Christians born and raised in Canada, fighting every step of the way.  Those people comprised more than 50% of the population 50 years ago, yet "progressive causes" prevailed.  Even now, Christians and conservatives are slow to accept "progressive causes" - witness abortion, transgender and indigenuous issues.

 If we can win our "progressive causes", despite the objections of 30% to 50% of the population, why do you assume that we'd regress because 3% of the population objects?

SO these terrorist's attacks in Europe, carried out by immigrants they would be French , German values , cutting the head of a teacher is a French thing, well it use to be only they did it with a guillotine and not a knife. Which shows that not all immigrants take on the host countries values.

Is it just Cons and Christians, there are no liberals or Leftist that think any of these issues do not mix well with our religion, customs, moral values..  By the way, How are these items excepted in say other countries, like Muslim denominated, Buddhists, how is their Transgender communities doing. and if the Cons had 30 to 50 percent of the population support Justin ass would not be in the PMO office...

[dialamah]

42 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Which shows that not all immigrants take on the host countries values.

And also people born in a country fail to take on their country's value and carry out horrific crimes.

 

44 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

and if the Cons had 30 to 50 percent of the population support Justin ass would not be in the PMO office...

Kinda makes my point that it takes a lot more than 1% or 2% of a population to change a culture.

Also, conservative voters do make up about 30% of Canada's electorate.  Muslims can help them, since they're more likely to agree with conservative social policy, if the Conservative party as a whole could rid themselves of their anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim tendencies.

But likely the Conservative leaders think they'd lose more than they'd gain if they tried to stamp out those elements within their party and supporters.  Demonstrating once again that the fear of Muslims taking over Canadian society is pretty far-fetched.

Also, regardless of which government is in power, immigration levels and sources don't change much.  Conservative politicians virtue signal about controlling immigration as much as JT virtue signals government concern over Indigenuous issues.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Kinda makes my point that it takes a lot more than 1% or 2% of a population to change a culture.

It's already over 21%. This new immigration level will raise it to 45% within 20 years.

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Also, conservative voters do make up about 30% of Canada's electorate.  Muslims can help them, since they're more likely to agree with conservative social policy,

Canadian conservatives are not even remotely as 'conservative' as Muslims on social policy issues.

 

 

[Argus]

Trudeau's plan to increase immigration approved by a whopping.... 17% of Canadians.

40% felt we should have the same numbers as last year, and 36% wanted immigration cut.

 

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/trudeau-s-plan-to-ramp-up-immigration-falls-flat-with-canadians-1.1518817

[Michael Hardner]

On 11/6/2020 at 7:49 PM, cougar said:

1. It is not about telling anyone what to do, or that someone enjoying it or not.

2. If we make claims to  be a "nation" and have a "culture" and live in a "society" then, one would expect certain conditions to be met 

 

1. You are asking a government minister who is 'supposed' to behave
2. Instead of saying what we're not, explain what you are telling people to do and what government has to do with it.  I for one don't think government should tell you how to dress or what metaphysical theories to believe.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

 explain what you are telling people to do and what government has to do with it.

I imagine you should have figured this one out by now. 

No more immigration from fucking anywhere!  Till this place starts feeling like a country with some sort of  a nation in it!

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by cougar

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

 No more immigration from fucking anywhere!  Till this place starts feeling like a country with some sort of  a nation in it!

There are reasons for immigration, primarily economic orthodoxical ones.  There may be something to that or not.  If we are going to re-examine economics then that's difficult but so be it.

But 'feeling like a country' is your personal thing.  I think most people feel like they live somewhere, even if that place looks different than it did fifty years ago.  

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

There are reasons for immigration, primarily economic orthodoxical ones.  There may be something to that or not.  If we are going to re-examine economics then that's difficult but so be it.

This country hasn't done a study of the impact, benefits, or drawbacks of immigration in forty years. Thus little is known about any of that. If it will improve the economy, by how much? What kind of immigrant would be best to achieve this goal? What numbers would be optimal? What is our goal and how can we judge whether we're meeting it? The government is not concerned with any of that because economic improvement is not the reason for immigration.

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

But 'feeling like a country' is your personal thing.  I think most people feel like they live somewhere, even if that place looks different than it did fifty years ago.  

A nation is made up of like-minded people who share a history, cultural views and values. There is a reason there are gay pride parades in Toronto but such a thing would result in bloody riots and mass-murder in Kabul or Islamabad or Jakarta. It is the difference in our cultural views and tolerance. There are, likewise, no gay pride parades in China or India, our largest source countries for immigrants. When you import over 1% of the country's population each year you are importing the views of those countries immigrants come from. That means (for example) that in less than 20 years a fifth of the population will be made up of people who have extreme homophobic and misogynistic cultural values and views backed up by religion.

[dialamah]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

A nation is made up of like-minded people who share a history, cultural views and values.

Yet, look at the difference between even the posters on this forum.  There's a lot of diversity of belief on even, though most of us claim to be Canadian.  

I know, you'll come up with claims about attitudes toward women and gays, using the most extreme examples you can find to support your claim.  You'll not consider thst born and raised Canadians from European backgrounds exhibit misogynistic attitudes toward women - even trying to control what they wear, beating and killing them if they are disobedient.  Many non-immigrant Canadians also disapprove of homosexuality, and until fairly recently (1970s) we would jail them; as recently as the 90s, beating and killing gays wasn't entirely unusual.  Just this year, we've introduced legislation to outlaw conversion therapy.  

Just as Canadians have a diversity of belief, so do immigrants.  To other them by using the most extreme examples of behavior to define them  as unacceptable in our country all is not a "Canadian" value, imo.

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, dialamah said:

And also people born in a country fail to take on their country's value and carry out horrific crimes.

 

Kinda makes my point that it takes a lot more than 1% or 2% of a population to change a culture.

Also, conservative voters do make up about 30% of Canada's electorate.  Muslims can help them, since they're more likely to agree with conservative social policy, if the Conservative party as a whole could rid themselves of their anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim tendencies.

But likely the Conservative leaders think they'd lose more than they'd gain if they tried to stamp out those elements within their party and supporters.  Demonstrating once again that the fear of Muslims taking over Canadian society is pretty far-fetched.

Also, regardless of which government is in power, immigration levels and sources don't change much.  Conservative politicians virtue signal about controlling immigration as much as JT virtue signals government concern over Indigenuous issues.

Yes they have committed horrific crimes, but very few in North America have committed crimes on the scale as followers of the Muslim religion in the last 100 years. 

No it does not prove anything, once again take a look at the countries that are mostly made up of Muslims, it is only 1 or 2 % of their population that are extremist of the terrorist nature, that take action for their beliefs, while a great deal more believe in the same ideology but are not willing to take action....  and yet for the most part the majority of the world sees the entire race as being terrorist... These actions of the few have changed our culture, and our perception of their culture...

You see this as Just a conservative view, but it is not, conservatives did not just wake up one day and decide to dislike all Muslims ... This perception has been developed over decades, most of it by Muslim peoples actions... terrorist attacks, regular Muslim peoples reaction to 911, the list goes on and on... If we as a nation wants to change that perception it needs to start with the Muslim people themselves.

It is not a fear of them taking over, it is the fact our cultures are oil and water, and do not mix very well, we have very little in common. How much moaning do you think we would get if the government said we were taking in 400,000 English speaking white Europeans ...

Global immigration as the sole answer to our economic growth is bullshit, there are other answers to this very question.. like using all these billions we pay out for immigration and pay our own people to have kids... pay for day care, give them funding that makes having kids more attractive, and then set immigration levels on the shortfalls. 

And as for indigenous issues it's not just a liberal problem, but a Canadian problem to which they don't give a shit.... or it would be on our radar of problems to solve... right now it just makes good conversation, but not enough to take action, having undrinkable water for 25 years says it all...

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

and our perception of their culture...

I agree that the actions of a few has changed our perceptions.  Would it be fair if the culture of the US and Canada was judged as being barbaric because of gun crimes?  After all, most people support gun ownership, but very few actually kill people with guns.

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

terrorist attacks, regular Muslim peoples reaction to 911, the list goes on and on.

If you don't trust media to show you the full truth about politucians (you don't like), why would you take at face value what they show you of Muslim reactions?

I get it though; I'm guilty of a tendency to toss all conservatives into the "racist, white supremacist" basket because the media focusses so much on those elements on the right.  I have to remind myself, regularly, that these are truly the minority fringe, and do not represent the majority of conservative views.

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And as for indigenous issues it's not just a liberal problem, but a Canadian problem to which they don't give a shit.... or it would be on our radar of problems to solve... right now it just makes good conversation, but not enough to take action, having undrinkable water for 25 years says it all...

I agree, and every successive government has done nothing.  Its a disgrace.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

I know, you'll come up with claims about attitudes toward women and gays, using the most extreme examples you can find to support your claim.  You'll not consider thst born and raised Canadians from European backgrounds exhibit misogynistic attitudes toward women - even trying to control what they wear, beating and killing them if they are disobedient.  Many non-immigrant Canadians also disapprove of homosexuality, and until fairly recently (1970s) we would jail them; as recently as the 90s, beating and killing gays wasn't entirely unusual.  Just this year, we've introduced legislation to outlaw conversion therapy.  

Just as Canadians have a diversity of belief, so do immigrants.  To other them by using the most extreme examples of behavior to define them  as unacceptable in our country all is not a "Canadian" value, imo.

You make it sound like we are the same , our morals and values are the same, Yes it is true back in the day, human rights for gays , females barely existed, beating your wife was one of those things that happened, but atleast you can trace in our history that things are improving... I watched 250,000 Afghanis riot for 10 days, in KABUL over a rumor of an American soldier burning an old copy of the Koran, more than 100 died, killed by other Afghanis rioters.... try to relate that to a Canadian event... the list just goes on and on.... Yes we as a nation are far from perfect, but most Muslim countries are back in the stone ages as far as human rights goes... 

[Army Guy]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

If you don't trust media to show you the full truth about politucians (you don't like), why would you take at face value what they show you of Muslim reactions?

I get it though; I'm guilty of a tendency to toss all conservatives into the "racist, white supremacist" basket because the media focusses so much on those elements on the right.  I have to remind myself, regularly, that these are truly the minority fringe, and do not represent the majority of conservative views.

I agree, and every successive government has done nothing.  Its a disgrace.

The media has lost its way, used to be they prided themselves for being unbias, regardless of the story. but today, the media has divided into 2 camps the left and the right and the truth is some where in the middle. As for politicians it is hard to find one that has integrity, honesty, and professionalism, That they are in office to serve the people not themselves. Respect is always earned, not many Canadian politicians have earned my respect.

We are all guilty of it myself included, i think it illustrates just how divided we are as a nation, and why we can not get things done. 

Canada is long due for a leader, that will serve the nation and it's people, one that unites us both left and right, maybe it is just a dream of mine..  

[cannuck]

39 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

. or it would be on our radar of problems to solve... right now it just makes good conversation, but not enough to take action, having undrinkable water for 25 years says it all...

Let's step back and take a little bite of reality:   Aboriginal bands (there was no "nation", just a lot of warring tribes) have been clamouring for "self government" for decades.   We are talking about a group of people racially qualified to receive the privilege of virtually unlimited funding.  Do you know what a small town in rural "Rest of Canada" does when they need water?   The drill a well/tap a river, design or pay to have someone design a workable system of treatment, build a plant, operate and maintain that plant, and so on.  THAT is what self-government implies.  Elect a representative body, plan your infrastructure, execute the plan, maintain the infrastructure with accountability to the taxpayer.  Chiefs and councils seem to be able to organize (i.e. beg for) funding to build endless casinos and bars, sell untaxed tobacco, gasoline and booze out the back door, but for the life of them (or their constituents) they seem to miss the intent to provide safe drinking water and just scream at the feds (yes, I realize that reserves are indeed federal land - but when you declare yourself a "sovereign nation" you need to take on some responsibility, not just skim the cash).

[Argus]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

Yet, look at the difference between even the posters on this forum.  There's a lot of diversity of belief on even, though most of us claim to be Canadian.  

Any of us believe Jews should be in camps? Any of us want to criminalize homosexuality? Any of us here believe women should be forced into modest clothing and bow their heads to their husbands and other men? Any of us okay with husbands beating their wives? Anyone here want to bring religion into the law and create a theocratic state? Are we okay with public executions? How about laws against blasphemy? How many Canadians would form a mob and beat a woman and set her on fire because someone said she torched a holy book? How many Canadian born people want to abort a girl because we want only boys?

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

I know, you'll come up with claims about attitudes toward women and gays, using the most extreme examples you can find to support your claim. 

Because they're the most obvious examples. But culture and values differ in a hundred different ways, and not just between us and third world countries. For example, Canadians used to have a reputation for being exceedingly polite and law abiding, people who would stand at red lights on an empty street early Sunday morning and wait till it turned green. That was an exaggeration but it was there due to our shared values and culture. It was not the same reputation as they had/have in the US.

We like nature. We want it near us. We all want trees in our yards. We all want yards. If we live in a city our near universal desire is to have the ability to have a cottage in the country by water. Look at European cities. The same need of yards and trees and grass isn't there in most of them. Even apartment buildings have trees and lawns here. Not in Paris. Not in Rome or Antwerp.

It's hard to pin down the many small, varied ways one culture varies from another. But there are a lot of them. And it's hard to show how unity differs from disunity. Remember the first big war with the Soviet union? Yes, of course I mean hockey. The whole country came to a halt. Business, schools, traffic, nothing went on when the games were played. That's what a sense of shared values and views and culture looks like.

 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

The media has lost its way, used to be they prided themselves for being unbias, regardless of the story. but today, the media has divided into 2 camps the left and the right and the truth is some where in the middle.

I would argue there is no right wing media in Canada. The media are all progressive, yes, that includes Postmedia, and likewise there are no right wing parties, and yes, that includes the 'conservatives'. All of them, without exception, support the full array of progressive social policies.

The media in the West, but certainly in Canada, have long seen themselves as a force for good, as a force to show the world the injustices they want addressed, as white knights leading the charge for change. The problem is once you start arguing for something you lose all neutrality. You select the kinds of stories you believe will support your agenda, and discard or play down others. This isn't even getting into opinion. I'm talking about the actual news. You'll put the spin on them which matches your agenda, and that agenda in Canada is almost always progressive.

Thus you will, for the most part, only read good stories about immigration and refugees. You will not read of crimes committed by them. You will not read stories or see videos of intolerant immigrants showing their homophobia or antisemitism. You will only see and read of intolerance from white people. You will not see many, if any stories about how many immigrants fail and are  unemployed or on welfare. You will see and read stories of successful immigrants, of happy refugees waving Canadian flags. You will see and read of people saying immigration is good for the economy and is necessary because of an aging population. You will see no stories of people claiming otherwise.

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by Argus

[CITIZEN_2015]

Look what is happening in Europe. France, Germany, Sweden and elsewhere They were not selective in choosing their immigrants. I am not suggesting to select based on skin color. No but select based on potential future contributions to Canada like education, assets for investment, and more importantly cultural compatibility like respect for human rights, other religions and respect for women. 

Keep out those trash who do not believe in those values especially respect for and equality and liberty of women. I am not sure Canada is fully following those guidelines at the moment and this may mean trouble down the road we don't wish for Canada.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

1.This country hasn't done a study of the impact, benefits, or drawbacks of immigration in forty years. Thus little is known about any of that. If it will improve the economy, by how much? What kind of immigrant would be best to achieve this goal? What numbers would be optimal? What is our goal and how can we judge whether we're meeting it? The government is not concerned with any of that because economic improvement is not the reason for immigration.

2. A nation is made up of like-minded people who share a history, cultural views and values. There is a reason there are gay pride parades in Toronto but such a thing would result in bloody riots and mass-murder in Kabul or Islamabad or Jakarta. It is the difference in our cultural views and tolerance. There are, likewise, no gay pride parades in China or India, our largest source countries for immigrants. When you import over 1% of the country's population each year you are importing the views of those countries immigrants come from. That means (for example) that in less than 20 years a fifth of the population will be made up of people who have extreme homophobic and misogynistic cultural values and views backed up by religion.

1. LIke I say, I'm actually in favour of having such discussions but we need to acknowledge the scale and complexity of this exercise are daunting.  We're also not used to having these conversations.  

Right-wing types that favour populisms and the PPC tend to have a simplistic model of how economics works.  I'm actually trying to be generous by saying that, because I want to find a way to incorporate their world view into this conversation without excluding them, discounting them, blaming or name-calling them, dismissing them, etc.  The facts are pretty plain: they existing in significant numbers, they don't see the benefit of open borders, and in many cases they are being left behind by the new world.

The prospect of such a conversation intrigues me, though.

2. Sure, but culture changes in some places if not most places.  We are indeed importing the views of 'the world'. 

I disagree with your prediction for 20 years from now.  Open and liberal societies are 'better', roughly, according to us.  That's why we have them.  And we have always imported people from places that have older and more traditional cultures.  We have been importing them since the 1970s and that didn't stop us from going ahead with liberal reforms in the last 10 years.  But I don't want to argue anti- vs pro- immigration in this thread.  I agree with the idea that a better conversation needs to happen, and that's where such arguments would be made.

 

We are called 'multicultural' but really we're a melting pot.  We iterate on the American model, as usual.

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We are called 'multicultural' but really we're a melting pot.  We iterate on the American model, as usual.

We're such a melting pot that many different immigrant groups prefer segregating themselves into ethnic ghettos: 

[cannuck]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We're such a melting pot that many different immigrant groups prefer segregating themselves into ethnic ghettos: 

Toronto is the canker sore in the mouth of Canada, and a lot of that has to do with how immigrants do not blend into Canadian culture.   Some worship this diversity (and it has it's moments) but chose to ignore the realities of how some of these ghetto clusters harbour the criminal components imported from the randomly occurring source countries.  We call these people "liberals".

There IS an upside to immigration...IF one were to be choosing carefully who gets to immigrate:  second generations tend to be fairly successful at their chosen profession.  Now, when that is medicine, science, manufacturing, etc. that is a good thing, but when it is drug dealing, prostitution, etc. quite the opposite.

I am not suggesting we ban immigration or even restrict it to Yurp, just that we pull our collective head from the other end of the alimentary canal and try to use some intelligence and reason in how we do this.

[Michael Hardner]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We're such a melting pot that many different immigrant groups prefer segregating themselves into ethnic ghettos: 

Ethnic ghettos exist everywhere - even multicultural Canada.  Evidence of nothing, right there.  

[Argus]

16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. LIke I say, I'm actually in favour of having such discussions but we need to acknowledge the scale and complexity of this exercise are daunting.  We're also not used to having these conversations.  

Because the Left has a knee-jerk reaction to any suggestion that mass immigration might not necessarily be a good thing.

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Right-wing types that favour populisms and the PPC tend to have a simplistic model of how economics works

First of all, Left wing types like to throw the term 'populism' at the right a lot while blithely ignoring their own populism. Trudeau is a left wing populist. His policies have always been determined by what will win votes from certain groups and not by what is necessary for the country. His government is style over substance, always carefully crafted to appeal to their left wing base. Immigration is just such an example. They use it to appeal to various ethnic voting blocks. That's how we got the immigration numbers for parents/grandparents quadrupled in two elections, for example.

Second, it's amusing to hear someone castigate the right for having simplistic models of economics given the left has flatly stated my entire life that the right is in bed with the big bankers and corporations and only cares about big business.

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I'm actually trying to be generous by saying that, because I want to find a way to incorporate their world view into this conversation without excluding them, discounting them, blaming or name-calling them, dismissing them, etc.  The facts are pretty plain: they existing in significant numbers, they don't see the benefit of open borders, and in many cases they are being left behind by the new world.

You think they don't know what's in their own best interests? But they do. What have we been discussing with regard to Trump supporters other than the fact that middle America has been left behind by outsourcing and automation? All their jobs were taken away in return for the expected goodness and wonder of this 'open borders' concept of yours, but the jobs which were created as a result didn't go to them or even to their regions. Those jobs went to big cities and the tech school class. And you expect them to do what, applaud this? Sell their houses and move to the big cities?

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2. Sure, but culture changes in some places if not most places.  We are indeed importing the views of 'the world'. 

To be more precise, we are importing the views of the third world. And those views are nearly universally backward - often violently so - in terms of the social views prevalent in Canada

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I disagree with your prediction for 20 years from now. 

You don't get to disagree with basic arithmetic. Bring in over 1% of your population every year and in 20 years those people make up a fifth of your country. You think they're all going to assimilate? Not possible in those numbers in that time.

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Open and liberal societies are 'better', roughly, according to us. 

Yes, according to us who were raised with them. But those societies are frequently castigated by those in the third world, who grow up with different values, for being immoral if not depraved. It isn't just Muslim societies, either. Few third world societies admire our cultural values. They come here for our economic success, and often resist or mock our social values.

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That's why we have them.  And we have always imported people from places that have older and more traditional cultures.

 

Not so. For much of our existence our primary source of immigrants was the UK, which had a similar culture. They were joined by other Europeans, but their social values were really not a lot different from that prevalent in the UK at the time. We only started opening up to third world immigrants in the 1970s and this expanded broadly in the 1980s and afterward.

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We have been importing them since the 1970s and that didn't stop us from going ahead with liberal reforms in the last 10 years.

When we started bringing them in they found a set, largely homogeneous culture, just as those Europeans who preceded them did, and learned to adapt to it. But every year which passes the number of Canadian born people they live among and the number of Canadian born kids their children join at school decreases. Right now a kid arriving here from the third world is likely to go into an urban school where 70% of the kids are immigrants and the corridors are a wild babble of Arabic, Hindi, Urdu and Mandarin. Just how easily do you think they're going to assimilate into a 'Canadian' culture? How do you 'melt' into that culture? I know kids who got to a school in central Ottawa where perhaps 20% of the class is white. I know kids who go to a school just outside Ottawa where 95% of the kids are white.

The cultures and values which will emerge from those two schools is going to be wildly different.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Argus

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Fft... ethnic ghettos exist everywhere - even multicultural Canada.  Evidence of nothing, right there.  

You just said Canada isn't multicultural it's a melting pot.  How the heck is it a melting pot when most ethnicities don't want to mix?  A melting pot would be people choosing where to live not based on the ethnicity of their neighbours.  Much of the GTA is racist as hell.  It's sad.