August1991 Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 2:02 PM, WestCanMan said: By the time covid is gone, the enduring legacy of it will be: 1) Massive carnage among small to medium businesses... 2) Twice as many deaths as a regular flu season... 3) The government has effectively used the MSM as a fear-mongering tool... .... The complete frenzy that liberals go into when you say HCQ ... And WestCanMan, is your frenzy any different? You too suggest that we adopt extreme measures to protect ourselves. 1 Quote
onlythetruthmatters Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 5:09 PM, WestCanMan said: I go through the yahoo site quite a bit when I log in to one of our email accounts, they have their news items there. It's usually fluff stories about celebs and the typical disinformation that you get on CTV and CNN, like a one-stop shop for leftists. Today they had an article on there saying that C19 is worse than the Spanih Flu in some ways. I skimmed thru it, there was something about how the death rate per 100K in NYC quadrupled with C19 in the peak months and it had only tripled with Spanish Flu, but that's a weak indicator compared to all the things that made Spanish Flu stand out. Anyhoo, these left-leaning "news" sources all tend to get their marching orders from the Dems, so this could be a sign that the leftists are trying to get the C19 hysteria whipped back into a frenzy. I don't know if it's to heighten the perceived need to get everyone vaccinated, to help convince Americans to allow mass-scamming mail ballots, to boost the sales of Remdesivir, or to crank up the lockdowns to curtail economic growth, but whatever it is, if leftist media is behind it, it's definitely bad for North America. A ramping up of C19 hysteria is something to lookout for imo. They are trying to convince Americans to vote for Biden..... 1 Quote
cougar Posted August 18, 2020 Report Posted August 18, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 11:02 AM, WestCanMan said: The government is killing the entrepreneurial spirit of the country Not worth my time commenting again, but what the heck... To you socialism, fascism or communism seem to be the same thing. Wrong! What you call "entrepreneurial spirit" may be simply called greed. Yes, there was a political order that tried to eliminate greed and put other values and virtues over it. This regime (socialism) was more successful in achieving that than our Western democratic regime in its efforts to eliminating racism, discrimination, poverty or protect the environment. You can point fingers and put the blame here and there, but at the end of the day all of us are the same monkeys! Quote
August1991 Posted August 18, 2020 Report Posted August 18, 2020 17 hours ago, cougar said: ... What you call "entrepreneurial spirit" may be simply called greed. Yes, there was a political order that tried to eliminate greed and put other values and virtues over it. This regime (socialism) was more successful in achieving that than our Western democratic regime in its efforts to eliminating racism, discrimination, poverty or protect the environment. .... Cougar, I strongly disagree. The price mechanism, in fact numbers/mathematics, converted self-interest (what you call greed) into a method to achieve co-operation (what you might call collective benefit). Socialism (person at the top decides what to do, however the person/guy is chosen) has been with various species for hundreds of millions of years. The ability to interact using numbers has only been available for about 100 thousand years. Quote
Army Guy Posted August 18, 2020 Report Posted August 18, 2020 18 hours ago, cougar said: Not worth my time commenting again, but what the heck... To you socialism, fascism or communism seem to be the same thing. Wrong! What you call "entrepreneurial spirit" may be simply called greed. Yes, there was a political order that tried to eliminate greed and put other values and virtues over it. This regime (socialism) was more successful in achieving that than our Western democratic regime in its efforts to eliminating racism, discrimination, poverty or protect the environment. You can point fingers and put the blame here and there, but at the end of the day all of us are the same monkeys! They are the same thing , they are the enemy...declared enemy by generations past, it's not something new that was just declared.. This country was built on democratic principles, with fascism and communism taken the seats at the back of the bus... and in a democracy free enterprise and the entrepreneurial sprite are qualities that are strongly encouraged... What political order has tried to eliminate greed ? And we are not the same monkeys...not even close... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted August 19, 2020 Author Report Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 10:57 PM, August1991 said: And WestCanMan, is your frenzy any different? You too suggest that we adopt extreme measures to protect ourselves. What extreme measures? I suggested extreme measures when C19 was expected to be a huge deal. Not now. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted August 19, 2020 Author Report Posted August 19, 2020 19 hours ago, cougar said: 1) What you call "entrepreneurial spirit" may be simply called greed. 2) Yes, there was a political order that tried to eliminate greed and put other values and virtues over it. This regime (socialism) was more successful in achieving that than our Western democratic regime in its efforts to eliminating racism, discrimination, poverty or protect the environment. 3) You can point fingers and put the blame here and there, but at the end of the day all of us are the same monkeys! 1) What you lack is called empathy. Some people had a lifelong dream, saved money, started a business, created jobs in the local economy, and lost it all to covid. All their savings, their dreams, everything. Maybe their houses too. It takes a disgusting, pathetic sub-human to suggest that they’re just greedy people, this implying that loss is no big deal, or might actually be a good thing Just because the homes and businesses being burned to the ground and the jobs lost aren’t yours shouldn’t make it ok to you. 2) History is not your strong suit. 3) Speak for yourself, and sheep is the word you’re looking for. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
-TSS- Posted August 19, 2020 Report Posted August 19, 2020 Are masks somewhere compulsory even outdoors? I can understand that you must wear them in public transport and other indoor spaces where a lot of people are packed in a small area but out in the open air? That's just overdoing it. Quote
cougar Posted August 20, 2020 Report Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 2) History is not your strong suit. This from a guy to whom Fascism and communism are the same thing? Isn't your statement that helping those businesses in need and giving them money is socialist and therefore should be discontinued? What kind of BS are you pulling out now about empathy? Empathy is socialist and communist; if you want to be a capitalist, you leave those in need drown and go belly up. I am done with you. As I said, not worth my time commenting and then fighting with the monkeys. Edited August 20, 2020 by cougar Quote
WestCanMan Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Posted August 20, 2020 14 hours ago, cougar said: This from a guy to whom Fascism and communism are the same thing? Isn't your statement that helping those businesses in need and giving them money is socialist and therefore should be discontinued? What kind of BS are you pulling out now about empathy? Empathy is socialist and communist; if you want to be a capitalist, you leave those in need drown and go belly up. I am done with you. As I said, not worth my time commenting and then fighting with the monkeys. Fascism and communism are not 'the same thing' in theory and I never said that they were, but they share the main anti-democratic traits like a massive amount of control over the media, a lockdown on public discourse, the death of small business, etc. Can you find my quote about 'small business bailouts'? I'm not sure what you're referring to. Empathy is 'a selling point' of communism and socialism. In the end, it's the exact opposite of what you get. Where's the compassion in China, Venezuela and Russia? You're done wit facts cougar, that's about it. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
wxman52 Posted August 20, 2020 Report Posted August 20, 2020 I am going to make a general comment as I havent read through all this thread. I agree that the country we have turned into is an embarassment to me. The fiscal imprudence of the Federal government is beyond my worst nightmares and I am pretty pessimistic at most times. But the number..350 billion possibly ending up at 500 billion deficit this year alone..and likelty 100-200 billion next year. The numbers are staggering..its 50 percent added to the national debt in less than a year and for what??? A virus that frankly is not that deadly to the vast majority of people..in fact most people have pretty benign symptoms no worse than cold or regular flu. Yes it affects the elderly worse and others with health issues but why lock down all of society? We should have put all the resources into protecting the vulnerabler from day one..ie the nursing homes. We probably could have put 30 billion dollars into thes facilities right away to hire more staff..keep them out of multiple centres..proper training and supervision and protocols..better pay and equipment and we would have cut the number of deaths by 50 perecent or more and we could have kept most of the economy running and hence not spend a fortune paying people not to work and even encourage them not to work. Now Canadians love this..free money..they dont need to work..working from home..but what a cost..this debt will cost far more to our society over decades both in terms of peoples health and lives but also there standard of living. How will we fund our already poor health care system with all this new debt..how will we pay for all these social programs..how will we aviod not increasing taxes sky high hence reducing people living standards..these all will kill people. The COVID response will clearly kill more people over the longer term than we saved from COVID. 1 Quote
onlythetruthmatters Posted August 20, 2020 Report Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, wxman52 said: I am going to make a general comment as I havent read through all this thread. I agree that the country we have turned into is an embarassment to me. The fiscal imprudence of the Federal government is beyond my worst nightmares and I am pretty pessimistic at most times. But the number..350 billion possibly ending up at 500 billion deficit this year alone..and likelty 100-200 billion next year. The numbers are staggering..its 50 percent added to the national debt in less than a year and for what??? A virus that frankly is not that deadly to the vast majority of people..in fact most people have pretty benign symptoms no worse than cold or regular flu. Yes it affects the elderly worse and others with health issues but why lock down all of society? We should have put all the resources into protecting the vulnerabler from day one..ie the nursing homes. We probably could have put 30 billion dollars into thes facilities right away to hire more staff..keep them out of multiple centres..proper training and supervision and protocols..better pay and equipment and we would have cut the number of deaths by 50 perecent or more and we could have kept most of the economy running and hence not spend a fortune paying people not to work and even encourage them not to work. Now Canadians love this..free money..they dont need to work..working from home..but what a cost..this debt will cost far more to our society over decades both in terms of peoples health and lives but also there standard of living. How will we fund our already poor health care system with all this new debt..how will we pay for all these social programs..how will we aviod not increasing taxes sky high hence reducing people living standards..these all will kill people. The COVID response will clearly kill more people over the longer term than we saved from COVID. What do you expect from Government.....The sad thing is people blame everyone and everything except the ones that are responsible. Who was the scapegoat Sweden attacked like a pack of wolves. anyway people think all this spending won't effect them But it will in very sophisticated ways like interest rates staying low so the government can borrow cheaply but no one can earn any type of return for money saved. For what so we can depend on the Feds for retirement.....The Broke feds...this will end badly guaranteed. Quote
onlythetruthmatters Posted August 20, 2020 Report Posted August 20, 2020 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Fascism and communism are not 'the same thing' in theory and I never said that they were, but they share the main anti-democratic traits like a massive amount of control over the media, a lockdown on public discourse, the death of small business, etc. Can you find my quote about 'small business bailouts'? I'm not sure what you're referring to. Empathy is 'a selling point' of communism and socialism. In the end, it's the exact opposite of what you get. Where's the compassion in China, Venezuela and Russia? You're done wit facts cougar, that's about it. Hitler showed a lot of empathy to gain his power and look how that turned out........Be very careful about people that use empathy and emotions on strangers!!!!! Quote
WestCanMan Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, onlythetruthmatters said: Hitler showed a lot of empathy to gain his power and look how that turned out........Be very careful about people that use empathy and emotions on strangers!!!!! Exactly. Everyone has some empathy for a certain person or group, or they understand the importance of faking it. Edited August 20, 2020 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
onlythetruthmatters Posted August 21, 2020 Report Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Exactly. Everyone has some empathy for a certain person or group, or they understand the importance of faking it. They claim they have empathy but they never write the check....Sorta like socialists with other peoples money.....Some of the most empathetic people I know never do anything for anyone. Weird to me. Its almost like their empathy is the insurance policy they never bought in case they need help from the people they are professing their phoniness too. The real ones act or give. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, onlythetruthmatters said: They claim they have empathy but they never write the check....Sorta like socialists with other peoples money.....Some of the most empathetic people I know never do anything for anyone. Weird to me. Its almost like their empathy is the insurance policy they never bought in case they need help from the people they are professing their phoniness too. The real ones act or give. Exactly. One of my least favourite things is shameless self-promotion disguised as charity. Not sure how we got this far O.T. though lol. Edited August 21, 2020 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
cougar Posted August 21, 2020 Report Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 8:54 AM, WestCanMan said: Fascism and communism are not 'the same thing' in theory and I never said that they were, but they share the main anti-democratic traits like a massive amount of control over the media, a lockdown on public discourse, the death of small business, etc. Can you find my quote about 'small business bailouts'? I'm not sure what you're referring to. Empathy is 'a selling point' of communism and socialism. In the end, it's the exact opposite of what you get. Where's the compassion in China, Venezuela and Russia? You're done wit facts cougar, that's about it. blah blah blah.....your are only digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Quote
WestCanMan Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, cougar said: blah blah blah.....your are only digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Yeah ok cougar. You can't point to a single thing that isn't 100% accurate, you're gonna take your ball and go home, but I'm the one who's digging himself in deeper Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
cannuck Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 The whole political isms thing largely missed the point. First of all EVERY national government has social policies and programs. That doesn't make them socialists just socialistic. The line gets crossed when one goes communist and there is either no personal property rights or what such rights do exist are second to the state. You might remember that the big tur..uh Trudeau made damm sure that property rights were not in our "constitution"(now there's a laugh) true to the communist party card he so proudly held and aided and abetted by romanow clutching the regina manifesto tightly as he helped big t fuck the country over. Quote
Cannucklehead Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, cannuck said: Big Trudeau pushed FOR property rights but did not have enough support. In Canada you can have a tenure on land which is essentially a title from the queen. Most people in the u.s. do not own their land either. They have a deed but true ownership is in a land patent. Quote
cannuck Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said: Big Trudeau pushed FOR property rights but did not have etc. Not the way I remember it but I really only saw results. Had no knowledge of the process - just the political beliefs of the big tur.. er... uh. TRUdeau. The damage he did ended any chance of Canada becoming a significant economy. Quote
Cannucklehead Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, cannuck said: Not the way I remember it but I really only saw results. Had no knowledge of the process - just the political beliefs of the big tur.. er... uh. TRUdeau. The damage he did ended any chance of Canada becoming a significant economy. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/lacking-constitutional-protection-governments-routinely-trample-property-rights Trudeau had pushed for property rights as justice minister in 1968, again as prime minister in 1969, and in 1980 during constitutional talks. But property rights never made it into the final 1982 Charter because Trudeau and Bill Bennett, then-Premier of British Columbia, were the lone advocates. The crown will never give up crown land since it only becomes more valuable over time and there are too many issues with native reservations. There are some instances where you can lease crown land but never really own it. Quote
WestCanMan Posted August 22, 2020 Author Report Posted August 22, 2020 The title of this thread just got some credibility from one of Canada's best young political analysts. https://spencerfernando.com/2020/08/21/the-liberals-are-moving-canada-towards-full-blown-socialism/ Apparently now people who work 3 full weeks can get $400/week for 6 months because of the new EI guidelines. Regardless of how permanent of a solution this is intended to be, we are creating a new welfare-hungry generation - ie socialists. These people have no idea or concern about the mathematics of billions per month going to people for nothing, all they care about is what they want. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
OftenWrong Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: These people have no idea or concern about the mathematics of billions per month going to people for nothing, all they care about is what they want. Yet they excuse themselves by pointing to the social crises which they themselves have created. Nice move, really! <shouts his Kiai> 1 Quote
wxman52 Posted August 22, 2020 Report Posted August 22, 2020 Apparently now people who work 3 full weeks can get $400/week for 6 months because of the new EI guidelines. Regardless of how permanent of a solution this is intended to be, we are creating a new welfare-hungry generation - ie socialists. These people have no idea or concern about the mathematics of billions per month going to people for nothing, all they care about is what they want. oh brother..I didnt know about that. Where in the heck are we going to get the money to pay for all of this. There is a multi century day of reckoning coming up with all the debt the western world is racking up to maintain their overbloated standard of living. We in the western world are living way way beyond our means because we think somehow we deserve it. At some point it will all come crashing down and Asia will end up being the clear superpower. Canadians in general have gotten so smug, entitled and lazy in general and we will pay the price for it. When you consider that most Canadians think Justin Trudeau was the best choice to run the country it gives you and idea how screwed we are. I blame those Canadians which unfortunately is the majority now in bringing the eventual crash of this country. I guess the move towards socialism is part of it..I dont mind some socialism but not to the extent we are at now. Giving people generous amounts of money to do nothing and encourage them to do nothing when there are small businesses suffering because they cant find any help is just ludicrous. 1 Quote
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