Minister of Foreign Affairs has a loan of $1.2M from China, he should resign

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

That article is a year and a half  old. The Minister of Foreign Affairs is Melanie Joly. 

On Edit: Might be one of the reasons Champagne was demoted.

 

I stand corrected. Thanks.

[Queenmandy85]

55 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I ordered a Dell computer for $89 from one of those ads on Facebook which said they were associated with Costco but it comes from China.  Ordered four weeks ago.  Am still waiting.

I gave you the names of books to study on China's growing power and influence in the west, but you still sound like you know nothing about it.  You think they can be trusted with their growing influence in Canada?   Ask the two Michaels.  Ask the international countries that tried to investigate the origins of Covid.   Ask Taiwan.   Ask Australia about China.  Ask the CIA in the U.S.  Ask the U.S. military.  Ask the Canadian Forces.  Ask all the companies that they stole technology from.

You should have ordered a Mac. You would still be waiting but the wait would be worth it.?

Of course China is growing in power. So is the US and the US influence in Canada is far greater than China's. 

The origin of Covid is a minor detail. Whether it came from bats or poultry doesn't alter the fact it is here.

China still hasn't invaded Taiwan. If they do, what do you propose we do?

[myata]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Might be one of the reasons Champagne was demoted

Did he not know at the time the appointment was discussed? Just forgot? Just being young naive and innocent? Did not think it meant anything? With our politicians just can't ever be sure.

[ironstone]

8 hours ago, whittakerturbeville said:

The fact that he took a loan in China doesn't make the minister a puppet.

If I would rank all the countries in the world that are likely to take full political advantage of a situation like this I would put China at the top. Everything China does is all about gaining dominance over all other countries.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You should have ordered a Mac. You would still be waiting but the wait would be worth it.?

Of course China is growing in power. So is the US and the US influence in Canada is far greater than China's. 

The origin of Covid is a minor detail. Whether it came from bats or poultry doesn't alter the fact it is here.

China still hasn't invaded Taiwan. If they do, what do you propose we do?

Must be very troubling for you liberal Marxist supporters to have US influence instead of China's.

Edited January 24, 2022 by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

It is the Liberal Party that is pro-American. Remember the slogan of the Conservative party ..."No truck nor trade with the Yankees." during the reciprocity election.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is the Liberal Party that is pro-American. Remember the slogan of the Conservative party ..."No truck nor trade with the Yankees." during the reciprocity election.

"Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime

Health Minister Patty Hadju recently said questioning China’s coronavirus propaganda is akin to promoting conspiracy theories.

Prior to the last federal election, former Liberal MP and ambassador to China John McCallum advised Chinese officials not to hurt the Liberals’ chance of reelection. McCallum said the Conservatives would be harsher in holding China to account. 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau even once said he admired China’s basic dictatorship.

How much influence does the Communist Party of China have in Canada? 

Canada’s security officials have warned of growing Chinese influence for decades, but these warnings have been largely ignored by both current and former Liberal politicians.

Here are some of the connections prominent Liberals have had with the communist regime:

1997 – The RCMP and CSIS published a joint report called Project Sidewinder, which examined the relationships between powerful players in China and Canada. Project Sidewinder recommended further investigations into Chinese influence in Canada, but the report was dismissed by the PMO under Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

1998 – Project Sidewinder was reviewed and ultimately dismissed again by the Security Intelligence Review Committee, which at the time was led by MP Bob Rae. Rae would go on to become an interim Liberal leader.

John Rae, brother of former Liberal leader Bob Rae and former Liberal campaign co–chair, is a senior manager of Power Corp. Power Corp has significant investments in China, including assets bought from the China International Trust Investment Corporation (CITIC), an investment firm owned by the Chinese government.

André Desmarais, the deputy chair, president, and co–CEO of Power Corp was once appointed as a director of CITIC. Desmarais is the son–in–law of Jean Chrétien.

Chrétien himself sat on the board of a Power Corp subsidiary before his election as Liberal leader.

Project Sidewinder reported that the individuals the Chinese government hired to found CITIC had been accused of participating in organized crime in China and Hong Kong."

Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime | True North (tnc.news)

Notice the Liberal government has repeatedly been warned by CSIS but they are so arrogant they just repeatedly ignore the warnings.  They are in it for themselves, not for Canadians.

Edited January 25, 2022 by blackbird

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Did he not know at the time the appointment was discussed? Just forgot? Just being young naive and innocent? Did not think it meant anything? With our politicians just can't ever be sure.

 

Did you bother to read the link? It was on his disclosure form. That said, he would be a poor choice because of the loan, even if just for political reasons and optics.

[myata]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

It was on his disclosure form.

Yeah apologies, it's not the minister who was so young and naive. Maybe someone else.

Edited January 25, 2022 by myata

[Queenmandy85]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime

Health Minister Patty Hadju recently said questioning China’s coronavirus propaganda is akin to promoting conspiracy theories.

Prior to the last federal election, former Liberal MP and ambassador to China John McCallum advised Chinese officials not to hurt the Liberals’ chance of reelection. McCallum said the Conservatives would be harsher in holding China to account. 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau even once said he admired China’s basic dictatorship.

How much influence does the Communist Party of China have in Canada? 

Canada’s security officials have warned of growing Chinese influence for decades, but these warnings have been largely ignored by both current and former Liberal politicians.

Here are some of the connections prominent Liberals have had with the communist regime:

1997 – The RCMP and CSIS published a joint report called Project Sidewinder, which examined the relationships between powerful players in China and Canada. Project Sidewinder recommended further investigations into Chinese influence in Canada, but the report was dismissed by the PMO under Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien.

1998 – Project Sidewinder was reviewed and ultimately dismissed again by the Security Intelligence Review Committee, which at the time was led by MP Bob Rae. Rae would go on to become an interim Liberal leader.

John Rae, brother of former Liberal leader Bob Rae and former Liberal campaign co–chair, is a senior manager of Power Corp. Power Corp has significant investments in China, including assets bought from the China International Trust Investment Corporation (CITIC), an investment firm owned by the Chinese government.

André Desmarais, the deputy chair, president, and co–CEO of Power Corp was once appointed as a director of CITIC. Desmarais is the son–in–law of Jean Chrétien.

Chrétien himself sat on the board of a Power Corp subsidiary before his election as Liberal leader.

Project Sidewinder reported that the individuals the Chinese government hired to found CITIC had been accused of participating in organized crime in China and Hong Kong."

Just the Facts: Liberal party’s connections to China’s communist regime | True North (tnc.news)

Notice the Liberal government has repeatedly been warned by CSIS but they are so arrogant they just repeatedly ignore the warnings.  They are in it for themselves, not for Canadians.

McCallum was fired by Trudeau.

You have taken Trudeau's comment about China's dictatorship out of context.

As for the rest, there is no argument that China seeks to get maximum influence in Canada. However, put that against the massive American propoganda machine used to influence Canadians.The result is the fact that the Canadians are becoming more Americanized. We think nothing of jumping across the border to support the American economy than supporting Canadian business. 

On orders from the US government, we upheld our treaty obligation and arrested Madame Weng Wanzhou at the sacrifice of three Canadians in China and placing thousands of other Canadians in peril. Then, after a couple of years, the Americans shrugged it off and changed their minds about Weng. Thanks a bunch.

After the Canadian Government expressed our independence, an advisor to the POTUS told us ther is s special place in Hell waiting for us for simply saying we will not be pushed around.

American propoganda is responsible for the creeping republicanism in this country. The US propoganda machine has had a negative effect on our politics, spreading its corrosive hyper-partisanship creating a base for politicians  like Max Bernier and the various hate groups. 

The United States is a great country, wonderful people, but we are NOT Americans. Their governments have bordered on hostility towards us with tariffs and breeches or the treaties between us. Their culture is as alien to ours as is China's. Neither the United States nor China is our enemy. But which country has invaded ours three times?

I love the United States but their influence on us has inflicted far more damage on our country than China. They mean well but that doesn't make it any better.

We must always be watchful for foreign influence. Your fetish for anti-Sino sentiment seems to blind you to the massive benign negative impact of the Americans. 

Prime Minister Trudeau has been a disappointment but politics has no room for hate.

[Queenmandy85]

I should have pointed out that the influence by China and the US on Canada is not their fault. Every nation does it, but it is we Canadians that allow ourselves to be influenced. Politically, members of every party in Canada allows themselves to be seduced. We have our own propoganda network in the US from Lorne Greene to Justin Beiber, from Peter Jennings to David Frum.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

McCallum was fired by Trudeau.

You have taken Trudeau's comment about China's dictatorship out of context.

As for the rest, there is no argument that China seeks to get maximum influence in Canada. However, put that against the massive American propoganda machine used to influence Canadians.The result is the fact that the Canadians are becoming more Americanized. We think nothing of jumping across the border to support the American economy than supporting Canadian business. 

On orders from the US government, we upheld our treaty obligation and arrested Madame Weng Wanzhou at the sacrifice of three Canadians in China and placing thousands of other Canadians in peril. Then, after a couple of years, the Americans shrugged it off and changed their minds about Weng. Thanks a bunch.

After the Canadian Government expressed our independence, an advisor to the POTUS told us ther is s special place in Hell waiting for us for simply saying we will not be pushed around.

American propoganda is responsible for the creeping republicanism in this country. The US propoganda machine has had a negative effect on our politics, spreading its corrosive hyper-partisanship creating a base for politicians  like Max Bernier and the various hate groups. 

The United States is a great country, wonderful people, but we are NOT Americans. Their governments have bordered on hostility towards us with tariffs and breeches or the treaties between us. Their culture is as alien to ours as is China's. Neither the United States nor China is our enemy. But which country has invaded ours three times?

I love the United States but their influence on us has inflicted far more damage on our country than China. They mean well but that doesn't make it any better.

We must always be watchful for foreign influence. Your fetish for anti-Sino sentiment seems to blind you to the massive benign negative impact of the Americans. 

Prime Minister Trudeau has been a disappointment but politics has no room for hate.

Canada's culture is based on western civilization or Judeo-Christian culture, much the same as America and western Europe.  So our values and beliefs are basically founded on our European founding fathers, much the same as American values and beliefs (culture).  Our culture has been confused and watered down somewhat by the importation of millions of immigrants from the third world who do not share our Judeo-Christian culture.  They brought heathen religions and cultures.  This is all supposed to be accepted as normal or progress under the banner of multiculturalism.  Multiculturalism has been a failure where it has been tried.  It leaves us with no core identity and no clear culture.  But that is the liberal idea of progress (or progressivism). 

The reason it is done is to provide a massive labour pool because liberals and the left don't want to have traditional families and produce many offspring.  Or they want to be free to work until most of their child-bearing life is used up and they can only have one child.  This means the European founding people will disappear because Caucasian Canadians are not reproducing the minimum 2.1 children per family.  This is the liberal idea and the consequences.  This is another reason the liberals are setting up $10 a day national childcare.  In their mind working women creates a better society than mothers at home looking after their children.  If liberals could they would probably embrace a mandatory one-child policy as China did in the past.  The ideology fits in better with Communist or Marxist ideology.  It would fit in perfectly with Chairman Mao's playbook. 

Marxists in Canada are demanding to make everything a right, guaranteed income, housing, food, dental, drugs, etc., anything that will take care of them from cradle to grave.  They believe nobody should have to work hard, get an education or skill and support themselves.  They believe the state should provide everything.  This is the direction Canada is heading.

China's culture and belief system is entirely different.  They have become a Marxist-Leninist state and worship Chairman Mao.  This means totalitarianism and no personal human rights or democracy.  Whatever the collective represented by the Communist Party of China decrees must be the absolute rule.  They have no interest in western culture, democracy, or freedoms and human rights.  They view such things as anarchy and against the collective.  China's system of totalitarianism go back thousands of years.  President Xi is a Maoist (Marxist-Leninist) and his ambition is to dominate the world.  That means spreading Marxist ideology to other nations.  Human rights for individuals and democracy never really took hold in China and it has no chance of taking hold in the foreseeable future.  Liberals live under the illusion that they can somehow change China and it will become like a western nation.  They are dreaming.  It will never happen.  Canada is far more likely to become Marxist like China than China become liberal like the west.

American conservatism is more aligned with western traditional values of family, turkey dinner on thanksgiving and Christmas, individual freedom and human rights.   It better aligns with our historic Judeo-Christian values.  The recent Democrats lean more toward Socialism, liberalism, progressivism, globalism (mass immigration) and multiculturalism and are therefore much like Trudeau and Canadian liberals.  So we have a divide that is not good.  The influence of Marxism has crept into America, Canada and the west.

Canada has no clear culture of it's own other than the remnants of our European heritage.  Multiculturalism is not a unifying culture and never will be.  Neither is liberalism or progressivism a culture.  It is a destructive force that destroy society.  Liberalism-progressivism is attacking historic Judeo-Christian society, traditional values such as family and beliefs.  It is fiction that it can create a better world.

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

1. Many of the recent immigrants to Canada are caucasian, but they are predominantly from Muslim and Hindu nations, but with a strong British connection. There are many immigrants from Hong Kong who also share our British connections.

2. There are strong similarities between Islam and the Roman faith.

3. Why all this concern with marxist. The Communists only received 3900 votes in the 2019 election.

4. President Xi is not a Moaist any more than Saddam was a Muslim. He is a nationalist kleptocrat.

5. More pertinent to the discussion, how could the Chinese government use a mortgage to exert pressure on a Canadian politician? John Handcock owed creditors in England 100,000 Pounds Sterling in 1776 pounds. How much influence did the British exert on that deadbeat?

6. American Conservatism lost the first American civil war (the American Revolution) and most of the conservatives left. Some how, those creator endowed inalienable rights were only given to the Whigs and the Conservatives were robbed, murdered and driven into exile. 

7. What difference does a person's ethnic background make? People are people. It amazes me how fast new Canadians adapt to Canadian culture. (Ever listen to the Punjabi version of Hockey Night in Canada.?)

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. Many of the recent immigrants to Canada are caucasian, but they are predominantly from Muslim and Hindu nations, but with a strong British connection. There are many immigrants from Hong Kong who also share our British connections.

2. There are strong similarities between Islam and the Roman faith.

3. Why all this concern with marxist. The Communists only received 3900 votes in the 2019 election.

4. President Xi is not a Moaist any more than Saddam was a Muslim. He is a nationalist kleptocrat.

5. More pertinent to the discussion, how could the Chinese government use a mortgage to exert pressure on a Canadian politician? John Handcock owed creditors in England 100,000 Pounds Sterling in 1776 pounds. How much influence did the British exert on that deadbeat?

6. American Conservatism lost the first American civil war (the American Revolution) and most of the conservatives left. Some how, those creator endowed inalienable rights were only given to the Whigs and the Conservatives were robbed, murdered and driven into exile. 

7. What difference does a person's ethnic background make? People are people. It amazes me how fast new Canadians adapt to Canadian culture. (Ever listen to the Punjabi version of Hockey Night in Canada.?)

 

People are different in various fundamental ways.  They are not the same.  It has nothing to do with skin colour or race.  Sure people adapt to sports or certain forms of lifestyle, but many retain their ancestral culture.  They do not accept our Judeo-Christian culture.  Many hardly speak any English and mainly stick to their own ethnic groups who speak their foreign languages.  But the problem is they are often open to liberal, Marxist ideas because they do not believe or understand Judeo-Christian beliefs which reject Marxism, progressivism, Socialism.  They are open to those ideas which is one reason liberals are so glad to bring millions of them into Canada.  Why do you think they have fought civil wars in Africa, Central America and other places.  They cling to their tribalist mentality and fall for Marxist ideas and progressivism.  A good example is Jagmeet Singh who clings to Sikhism and said the Communist revolution in Cuba lifted the people up.  Never mind that it killed thousands of people, imprisoned thousands more, and deprive the people of their fundamental freedoms.  He may have even been born in Canada but obviously has the same religious beliefs as his ancestors and doesn't believe or accept conservative values.  The NDP is a strong defender of progressivism, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, etc.  The Liberals are much the same, which is why many immigrants support them and Liberals/NDP promote immigrants as their base with all the energy they can.

[Sh_P]

Oh my god, that is a department that hacks me out every other night through satellites. I have tracked the departments and they are working with education networks and patents offices in Germany. OMG--- I contacted the patents office in Germany and complained about a patent they took out on my environment and they would not answer my questions.

This department is running a biomedical/medical device testing human trafficking network with several free masons!!!!!! WTF is going on here in Canada?

There are multiple real estate developers who circle my mothers property and they have repeaters all over her yard. I have gone to police multiple times, have 100% digital forensics, they clearly want her property after development and me for money making.

WTF, I have been capturing medical device medtronics which is a pace maker on my home network and I dont have a heart condition.

[WestCanMan]

Yeah, this is kind of an illegal thread bump, but it's suddenly relevant again after the issue of Chinese gov't's intimidation of a Canadian Conservative politician.

[CdnFox]

Well if it's about the Liberal gov't having grossly inappropriate and possibly illegal ties to china,  Then we can just put it on the ever growing pile.

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, this is kind of an illegal thread bump, but it's suddenly relevant again after the issue of Chinese gov't's intimidation of a Canadian Conservative politician.

How is it relevant again?

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

How is it relevant again?

Not to you

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not to you

I didn’t expect you to answer for me. 
 

Do you even know why it’s relevant to you?

[Aristides]

He should have sold his ass to Deutsche Bank like Trump.

[myata]

On 1/24/2022 at 12:32 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

with a Canadian bank

Aha "bank of China" is now a "Canadian bank". Slip of a tongue (Freudian style)? Or only glimpses of the inevitable future?