Doug Ford and Covid 19

[Boges]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

The fact that you mentioned next fall and winter says a lot about how acclimated we’ve become to ongoing restrictions.  Until all restrictions are lifted, and only after they’ve been removed for some length of time, I’ll remain skeptical.  Now that the Covid pandemic is winding down the the climate crisis rhetoric is gaining steam.

The only reason I mention that is because that's when a virus like this does it's damage, when people are cooped into their homes. Last year, even without a vaccine, numbers dropped to levels we're seeing now. (In Canada anyway, the US had a rough Summer of 2020) Once kids go back to school and the weather gets cold, we'll see how good these vaccines really are. 

I think we'll def see Climate Change restrictions. And I don't think it's crazy to think that these types of restrictions are a dry run. The get close to a Carbon Neutral economy, governments are going to have to phase out certain industries and emphasis development in others. 

 

[Boges]

Ontario to move to Stage 3 next Friday. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-step-3-reopening-1.6096179

There are actually some pretty tame restrictions TBH. 

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Indoor sports and recreational fitness facilities, including gyms, would be able to open again at 50 per cent capacity or a maximum of 1,000 people, whichever is less.

More than 50% of Ontario adults have 2 shots of COVID-19 vaccine, province says

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Indoor dining, retail and personal care would have no capacity limits as long as patrons can properly physically distance.

Religious services and events such as weddings and funerals can also operate indoors, as long as people are following other public health measures.

Places such as cinemas, museums, aquariums, casinos and bingo halls can run at 50 per cent capacity indoors and 75 per cent outdoors.

Outdoor concerts can run at 75 per cent capacity with a max of 5,000 people for unseated events and 15,000 people for events with fixed seating. (Monkey Business Images / Shutterstock)

The move also allows for concerts, theatres and sports facilities to operate at 50 per cent capacity inside, with a max of 1,000 people. If outside, they can run at 75 per cent capacity with a max of 5,000 people for unseated events and 15,000 people for events with fixed seating.

Ontario was originally slated to move to Step 3 on July 21, but the province has passed its COVID-19 vaccination target for entering Step 3, with 78 per cent of adults vaccinated with one dose and 49 per cent fully vaccinated as of Wednesday.

 

 

[Boges]

This is interesting. 

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-moving-to-step-3-of-summer-covid-19-reopening-plan-on-july-16-1.5503079

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They also confirmed the existence of a fourth step in the reopening plan, where “the vast majority of public health and workplace safety measures, including capacity limits for indoor and outdoor settings and limits for social gatherings, will be lifted.”

They say Ontario will remain in Step 3 for at least 21 days, and until 80 per cent of Ontarians 12+ have received a first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 75 per cent have received a second.

As of Friday, 78 per cent of Ontarians age 12 and up have received a first dose and 50 per cent have received a second.

 

The level of first dose have, sort of, plateaued at 78%. Now that leads the world, but we'll need 2% more vaccine hesitant to get a vaccine and almost all first dose people to get their second before we'll be largely without restrictions. 

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Boges

[OftenWrong]

The vaccine situation is screwed up. I know several people in health care refusing to get a second dose, until there is better clarity.

Authoritities are forcing people to take an unapproved, experimental vaccine. It could lead to disaster.

Edited July 11, 2021 by OftenWrong
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[OftenWrong]

On 7/9/2021 at 11:51 AM, Boges said:

Ontario to move to Stage 3 next Friday. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-step-3-reopening-1.6096179

There are actually some pretty tame restrictions TBH. 

 

The fact they are moving to stage 3 against their own plan, while welcome, again shows leadership that has no real idea what they are doing.

They dismantled the colour-coded system and mandated a minimum three-week waiting period for moving to the next step. They did this despite the outcry from related experts that it doesn't make sense if the virus goes away, why should we stay closed on a fixed schedule?

Turns out the virus levels went way down. Again faster than anticipated by the health experts.

So therefore,

- Their predictions with the use of computer simulations, calculations and graphs, are all worthless. Once again.

- The plans they make are not reliable. They do not conform to their own plans, because the plans are simply wrong and stupid, and very likely these measures are largely ineffective and very costly. Yet they have the authority.

 

The people in charge of these matters must be dismissed from their posts as soon as problems like this start coming up. These decisions are far too important to our society to be left to incompetent dolts and fakers. Get somebody real in there.

[OftenWrong]

On 7/9/2021 at 9:10 AM, Boges said:

But. . . do expect a vaccine passports to be a thing going forward. 

The concept of allowing liberty only by a vaccine passport is the most fascist thing I've heard of in quite a while.

#Vaccine Fascism

Edited July 11, 2021 by OftenWrong

[taxme]

On 7/8/2021 at 2:32 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I think Ontarians are resigning themselves to endless restrictions.  There’s no official date for a complete reopening.  California, New York, and other hard hit areas, including Alberta, have reopened.  What is the justification for dragging on restrictions?

From the many lawsuits and challenges that have been going on for some time now the courts have ruled that all of those covid restrictions have now been noted as illegal and pretty much unconstitutional and have pretty much all been cancelled. All covid restrictions are now supposedly gone. They are not in effect anymore. The people of BC can now go into stores or restaurants or most other places without having to wear a clown mask. Casinos are still behind on this one. Ridiculous. 

The problem here is that some of our dear comrade political leaders, like Doug Ford, no friend of the people, do not want to give up their tyranny over their sheeple. Even the lying Canadian media will not tell we the sheeple that they are once again free of covid rules and it's communist restrictions. 

This is one of the reasons why that here in BC all covid restrictions have all been pretty much cancelled. The problem is that the government is slowly trying to ease their way out of the control that they had on the people of BC. They are trying to make it look like they have seen the light. BS. 

Sadly, there are still way too many buffoons here in BC who are still wearing a mask when there is no reason to do so anymore. Those people are still a bunch of bloody stupid covid no minds indeed. ?

 

Edited July 11, 2021 by taxme

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, taxme said:

From the many lawsuits and challenges that have been made since this covid hoax began, pretty much all of the covid hoax restrictions that have been shoved on for over a year now on we the Canadian sheeple have all been cancelled. They are not in effect anymore. 

 

We’re not there yet and I’m sceptical.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The concept of allowing liberty only by a vaccine passport is the most fascist thing I've heard of in quite a while.

#Vaccine Fascism

Why do people who do not want to take this experimental covid vaccine have to take the jab? Why? Why are our welfare recipient politicians trying to get everyone to take the shot? Is there something in it for those politicians? Will they get extra support and dollars for their political party,s from big pharma if they go along with this vaccine game? 

Will those who do not want to take the jab soon to be seen and treated as undesirables and outcasts and as second class citizen's? This would be an act of discrimination to be treated differently and it would be seen as unconstitutional according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. 

But then again, the COR is not really worth much these days anymore. The COR has been violated many times before by the leftist liberals and socialists who have shown that they will not abide by the COR or the Constitution. Welcome to the new Canada brought to us by the Castro Trudeau family. Just saying. ?

[taxme]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We’re not there yet and I’m sceptical.

I am very skeptical also. I do not trust our welfare recipient pro globalist politicians nor that lying and fake Canadian media. I am concerned of what may come this fall. One can only hope that they do not try to pull a fast one on us again like they did with this last covid hoax. One can only hope that one day those scum will finally face justice for their crimes that they have committed against Canadians and crimes against humanity. They deserve big time serious justice jail time. Works for me. ? 

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22 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The concept of allowing liberty only by a vaccine passport is the most fascist thing I've heard of in quite a while.

#Vaccine Fascism

Awwww muffin. 

You have liberty. But your Liberty only lasts until it infringes on other's Liberty. And the Canadian Government can decide who they let into this country and private businesses can decide who they choose to do business with. 

I suspect you think travel restrictions brought in post 911 were fascist as well. You never used to need a passport to go to the US. FASCISM!!! 

 

[Boges]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Why do people who do not want to take this experimental covid vaccine have to take the jab? Why? Why are our welfare recipient politicians trying to get everyone to take the shot? Is there something in it for those politicians? Will they get extra support and dollars for their political party,s from big pharma if they go along with this vaccine game? 

Will those who do not want to take the jab soon to be seen and treated as undesirables and outcasts and as second class citizen's? This would be an act of discrimination to be treated differently and it would be seen as unconstitutional according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. 

But then again, the COR is not really worth much these days anymore. The COR has been violated many times before by the leftist liberals and socialists who have shown that they will not abide by the COR or the Constitution. Welcome to the new Canada brought to us by the Castro Trudeau family. Just saying. ?

Pst. Anti-Vaxxers are undesirables. SYHTFOTW. 

What is in a High vaccination rate for governments? Not having to shut down economies due to overwhelmed Heath Care systems. Not having to pay people in certain sectors to stay home. 

Granted, I'm sure the same Anti Vax population has no qualms about people dying in Hospital beds from a highly contagious disease. But if ONE person has a strong side-effect to a vaccine, it's not worth the risk. 

The logic of Anti-Vax morons is pathetic. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Boges

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Awwww muffin. 

You have liberty. But your Liberty only lasts until it infringes on other's Liberty. And the Canadian Government can decide who they let into this country and private businesses can decide who they choose to do business with. 

I suspect you think travel restrictions brought in post 911 were fascist as well. You never used to need a passport to go to the US. FASCISM!!! 

 

It is said people cheered when the nazis came and imposed their brand of fascism. Some gave grand speeches why it was ok to impose restrictions on some, and not others. Others cheered them on. Vaccines became mandatory then, too.

I wonder if they sounded like you, and Diahrea lame-a

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It is said people cheered when the nazis came and imposed their brand of fascism. Some gave grand speeches why it was ok to impose restrictions on some, and not others. Others cheered them on. Vaccines became mandatory then, too.

I wonder if they sounded like you, and Diahrea lame-a

Godwin much? 

Who's being rounded into Rail-cars. Who's being annexed. Your inability to understand history is astonishing. 

Please tell me the how post 911 Travel restrictions are any more or less fascist than COVID-19 vaccination travel restrictions? 

The threat of a deadly variant making its way into a new community is far more than someone blowing up a commercial airliner BTW. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Boges

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Godwin much? 

Who's being rounded into Rail-cars. Who's being annexed. Your inability to understand history is astonishing. 

Please tell me the how post 911 Travel restrictions are any more or less fascist than COVID-19 vaccination travel restrictions? 

The threat of a deadly variant making its way into a new community is far more than someone blowing up a commercial airliner BTW. 

All in your opinion, Boges. Dont forget to qualify with that.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

All in your opinion, Boges. Dont forget to qualify with that.

What opinion are you taking exception too?

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

What opinion are you taking exception too?

 

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

All in your opinion, Boges. 

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Reading carefully is good. So is writing, too.

[Boges]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Reading carefully is good. So is writing, too.

No it's your opinion that having to get a vaccine to do certain things is fascism. It's my opinion that such thoughts are pathetic victimization and an example of a melting snowflake. 

[OftenWrong]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

No it's your opinion that having to get a vaccine to do certain things is fascism. It's my opinion that such thoughts are pathetic victimization and an example of a melting snowflake. 

You can call me names if that's your posting style. It won't shut down what i have to say about the matter.

I defend myself by putting this in context- mass media fear manipulation by leaders who are incompetent, experimental vaccines that are not approved, and a complete mess of disinformation, some of it purposefully done by enemies. Our asses are being held way up. Looking at the big picture, this is a disaster waiting to happen...

I am not taking away your right to triple vaccinate, or even more if you want.

Fill yer boots.

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You can call me names if that's your posting style. It won't shut down what i have to say about the matter.

I defend myself by putting this in context- mass media fear manipulation by leaders who are incompetent, experimental vaccines that are not approved, and a complete mess of disinformation, some of it purposefully done by enemies. Our asses are being held way up. Looking at the big picture, this is a disaster waiting to happen...

I am not taking away your right to triple vaccinate, or even more if you want.

Fill yer boots.

They're approved by Health Canada. But continue to believe the likes of Americans who are letting COVID outbreaks back in. 

You still can't articulate the difference between travel restrictions post-911 and potential COVID-19 restrictions. 

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

They're approved by Health Canada.

Lies. Learn the real truth.

[OftenWrong]

They were approved by an emergency order. The laws were changed to allow it, bypassing the usual safety requirements.

The safety requirements are still being ignored even now. Normally it would only take a dozen or so cases of lethal reaction for a new drug to be off the market. That's it.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Lies. Learn the real truth.

Oh, you know the read truth. 

You sound like that Pillow Guy for Trump.

Where are your resources for the potential hazards of the vaccine? 

https://www.ontario.ca/page/covid-19-communication-resources#vaccine-safety

 

[Boges]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

They were approved by an emergency order. The laws were changed to allow it, bypassing the usual safety requirements.

The safety requirements are still being ignored even now. Normally it would only take a dozen or so cases of lethal reaction for a new drug to be off the market. That's it.

So cite a dozen fatalities for mRNA. Proven fatalities. 

Even though Blood Clots associated with the AZ vaccine are very rare, they aren't being used anymore. So safety considerations are being considered. 

You anti-vaxxers are sad pathetic people. 

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Boges said:

You anti-vaxxers are sad pathetic people. 

Keep talking about me, Boges. I am happy to keep informing you of the truth, although it may be unpleasant.