The Coronavirus

[Guest ProudConservative]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

This is really starting to look like a movie in progress being made right before our own eyes. What are we all going to do when we are all ordered to stay at home or else? Did you ever see the movie with Jack Nicholson called "The Shining"? Here's Johnny! Lol. We are seeing just a dress rehearsal of what is too come. Hello, to all you Johnny's out there! Lol.

So, just how did the police know that she was quarantined and pretty much ordered to stay at home anyway? Did they have a tracker on her car? Did one of her neighbors squeal on her and called the cops? I hate squealers by the way. The scum of the earth. They have them in communist countries where if you say anything negative about the government, you will be arrested and sent off to the gulag. I am pretty sure that we do have some politicians like that who would like to have people arrested if they criticize them or the government. We may be getting close to that very soon. Then what are you going to do? Think about that for awhile and let it sink in. It could happen if we do not stay vigilant enough. Hey, you never know, eh? 

I see it differently. Most Canadians are staying home, and making huge sacrifices to try and save Canada. This one individual with a sense of entitlement breaks quarantine, and put a bunch of Canadian lives at risk. If it wasn't for the weak links like her, this virus wouldn't of gotten out of hand to begin with. It's the Canadians who aren't following protocol and common sense, who are going to ruin it for everybody and put this country into the next great depression.

This is going to effect you're generation, more than ours, since your generations retirement accounts will be destroyed. If you're angry with the Quebec police for arresting her, you're angry at the wrong people. At the very least, it provides a deterrent against those who will try it again.

If you're sick with the virus, you're only asked to stay at home a few weeks, and then you become immune to the virus. That's a very small sacrifice to make, in compared to the potential for someone like her to wipe out dozens or even possibly hundreds of retired Canadians. Who worked their entire lives, to enjoy the good life, and it's unfair for people like her to take it away.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

Indeed, this virus could be for real, but then again, it could be not. But as you said, it could be all just a part of the plans of the globalists to implement a new world order. We must all be very vigilant about ever allowing that to happen. Another reason why people should own a gun. Just saying. 

Whether the globalist are manipulating us or not, the sick people should stay home. This virus is so contagious, that the sick people shouldn't go to the hospital. If you're gonna die, don't bring others with you. I've heard courageous stories, of very sick people staying at home, because they know there is no more room in the hospitals.

It would be nice if we cut the red tape, in our medical system.... and send these people the medicines they need. I don't believe in forcing dying parents out of their homes, and into makeshift quarantine centers. To me that brings back strange visions of concentration camps.

Part of the reason why I think China forced the sick out of their homes, is because they wanted a efficient way to dispose the bodies. It's easier to get them out of the home, while they can still walk.

The science isn't being that assertion, because when you drag a person out of their home, they;re likely to fight back, and get more people infected.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

Even if you are sick, you don't want to go to the hospital unless you really can't breathe so need a ventilator

Other than the ventilator, there's not much they can do for you at the hospital

If you break the quarantine, they'll make you go to the hospital, so that's dumb, because the hospital is a terrible place to die.

You might just have a mild strain, then when you get to the hospital you could catch the killer strain

The hospital is the most dangerous place to be of all, that's where the young people are killed by it, the medical staff are trapped in the hospital

Edited March 21, 2020 by Dougie93

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

If you break the quarantine, they'll make you go to the hospital, so that's dumb, because the hospital is a terrible place to die.

You might just have a mild strain, then when you get to the hospital you could catch the killer strain

I never thought about that... If you break quarantine. You get sent to the hospital. A stupid person might think that's a free handout, but an intelligent person will see it as a trap.

Edited March 21, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

I never thought about that... If you break quarantine. You get sent to the hospital. A stupid person might think that's a free handout, but an intelligent person will see it as a trap.

When the government is in a total panic like this, I just hunker down and keep a low profile, don't attract attention, nothing good will come of it

[Guest ProudConservative]

By the way... I read that our former minister of health Jane Philpott... became a doctor, and stepped into the front lines to try and treat patients.

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

When the government is in a total panic like this, I just hunker down and keep a low profile, don't attract attention, nothing good will come of it

Yea I learned that lesson the hard way, but some of the idiot opinions I shared online... It's been far easier to self-isolate, than keep my mouth shut when i'm bored.

Edited March 22, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Yea I learned that lesson the hard way, but some of the idiot opinions I shared online... It's been far easier to self-isolate, than keep my mouth shut when i'm bored.

I don't see the problem, you said you don't like a slap on the wrist world

That's how it was in the army, you were free to shoot your mouth off, but the other guys were also free to blanket party you like Full Metal Jacket

I saw this happen a few times actually, in various forms

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by Dougie93

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, Rue said:

Go have a beer

Cheers

I like my Corona with a twist of lemon...

 

[cannuck]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

The government has not invoked any emergency powers.

several provinces have.

[Guest ProudConservative]

I like my Corona with a twist of lyme.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Iceni warrior]

10 hours ago, -TSS- said:

You think everything will return to as it was before when this crisis is over? I don't think so. Airliners are going bust because people are not travelling and even when the restrictions are lifted are unlikely to flock into countries like Italy or Spain.

If that's what I thought I would have said that.

I was just contradicting your suggestion that the Coronapocalypse would be the death of the Schengen zone and free movement throughout the EU. That's just wishful thinking.

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

I see it differently. Most Canadians are staying home, and making huge sacrifices to try and save Canada.

That's the problem right there. Thinking that staying home and destroying the economy is going to save Canada, when quite the opposite is going to happen. People who think they are heroes for staying at home and sitting on the couch, and that doing so will save the world, are useless SIFCLFs who wish their actions are more important than they really are.

They want to believe they have that level of control over nature, because it helps them sleep at night. Living in a world they have no or limited control is too scary for them to handle, so they pretend they live in some fairy and unicorn world instead as a control freak defense mechanism against a harsh reality.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

That's the problem right there. Thinking that staying home and destroying the economy is going to save Canada,

It will buy us time to make up for the lack of preparation of our idiot politicians. We need masks and hand sanitizers freely available for everyone. We need mass testing. We need the kind of checks and surveillance on those who have been found positive like they have in South Korea and Taiwan. With that all in place we can start getting people back to work again.

[Guest ProudConservative]

9 minutes ago, Argus said:

It will buy us time to make up for the lack of preparation of our idiot politicians. We need masks and hand sanitizers freely available for everyone. We need mass testing. We need the kind of checks and surveillance on those who have been found positive like they have in South Korea and Taiwan. With that all in place we can start getting people back to work again.

I can't stand the fact that, Canadians are scapegoating each other, but are failing to hold our politicians accountable. When this is over, I hope we need to remind Canadians of who's at fault. We can't let this happen again.

Edited March 22, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

It will buy us time to make up for the lack of preparation of our idiot politicians. We need masks and hand sanitizers freely available for everyone. We need mass testing. We need the kind of checks and surveillance on those who have been found positive like they have in South Korea and Taiwan. With that all in place we can start getting people back to work again.

Except none of that is being done, there isn't enough time to make up for the lack of preparation, or lack of resources. Stalling for few weeks or months will not result in that problem magically going away, the system is still going to be swamped, all you did was change the timing on when that happens, and you destroyed the economy on top of it, to no useful effect. Not great, Bob.

South Korea was smart enough not destroy their economy yet, proving that if you don't shut down the economy, the sky isn't going to fall like you think it is, or the sky would have fallen on South Korea already.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[cannuck]

25 minutes ago, Argus said:

It will buy us time to make up for the lack of preparation of our idiot politicians. We need masks and hand sanitizers freely available for everyone. We need mass testing. We need the kind of checks and surveillance on those who have been found positive like they have in South Korea and Taiwan. With that all in place we can start getting people back to work again.

We needed all of those things to be put in place at LEAST two months ago.   Very late now to be effective.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Except none of that is being done, there isn't enough time to make up for the lack of preparation, or lack of resources.

The items most in need are fairly easy to manufacture: Masks, hand sanitizer. The testing is ramping up every week. We need to expand lab facilities to process them faster, though.

Setting up a monitoring system ought to be fairly easy.

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South Korea was smart enough not destroy their economy yet, proving that if you don't shut down the economy, the sky isn't going to fall like you think it is, or the sky would have fallen on South Korea already.

South Korea had all this equipment and did a rapid mobilization for testing, as well as investigating every contact a positive testee had. They posted the previous weeks locations of those positive testees in public media to warn people who had been in the area to get tested. We can do that too and then reopen the economy. But if we let things get out of control, like in New York, it's going to be pretty hard. New York state, population 19.5 million has 12,000 cases compared to Canada's 1300. That's the difference testing and tracking makes.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, cannuck said:

We needed all of those things to be put in place at LEAST two months ago.   Very late now to be effective.

I agree and have said so. But this virus is not going away any time soon so it's time to get our asses in gear because we can't lock down everyone for months. It simply won't work. People will rebel and the economy won't survive.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Argus

[cannuck]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

People will rebel and the economy won't survive.

Our economy was already in the toilet.  In a globalized economy, our costs of labour and low productivity make us a loser, not a winner.  Our lack of investment to Main Street by copying the US model of putting all money onto Wall/Bay Street has destroyed what little entrepreneurial infrastructure to develop real business is gone.  Time to start again anyhow.

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

The items most in need are fairly easy to manufacture: Masks, hand sanitizer. The testing is ramping up every week. We need to expand lab facilities to process them faster, though.

Setting up a monitoring system ought to be fairly easy.

South Korea had all this equipment and did a rapid mobilization for testing, as well as investigating every contact a positive testee had. They posted the previous weeks locations of those positive testees in public media to warn people who had been in the area to get tested. We can do that too and then reopen the economy. But if we let things get out of control, like in New York, it's going to be pretty hard. New York state, population 19.5 million has 10,000 cases compared to Canada's 1300. That's the difference testing and tracking makes.

South Korea was more prepared prior to the outbreak, that's why they had the resources, not because the draconian measures they did implement bought them the time to produce them. Flattening the curve did not increase their preparedness to any significant degree, but at least they were smart enough not to mandate the shut down of thier entire economy like others in a futile attempt to overdo it on the social distancing thing way too early.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[-TSS-]

People are different. I as an introverted person have never had any problems of keeping away from other people. For some people that is something totally unthinkable. What is easy for some people is mental torture for others. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

People are different. I as an introverted person have never had any problems of keeping away from other people. For some people that is something totally unthinkable. What is easy for some people is mental torture for others. 

Yeah, me too.  I didn't skip a beat when I was told to self isolate. 

 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

People are different. I as an introverted person have never had any problems of keeping away from other people. For some people that is something totally unthinkable. What is easy for some people is mental torture for others. 

Indeed, lets not look at the mental health costs at shutting down the economy and killing social gatherings, lets just play if it saves even one life of someone with coronavirus game, all other costs are totally irrelevant. I mean any plan will look good for addressing the coronavirus if you ignore all the downsides and only factor in the potential upside, but that's stupid.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

People are different. I as an introverted person have never had any problems of keeping away from other people. For some people that is something totally unthinkable. What is easy for some people is mental torture for others. 

Sadly I suspect rates of depression, drinking and family and spousal abuse will go up. 

I'm quite happy living up in my tree at the end of a gravel road on the west coast of nowhere myself.  If nothing else I suspect my property's value will only go up as isolation and remoteness becomes a desired commodity.   Berries will be coming soon and the crab trap is baited and set.  I was lucky enough to have cut and split a couple years worth of firewood this winter and my clones are coming along nicely.  People around here figured out how to live without toilet paper some 10000 years too so...I think I'm set for just about anything.    

Edited March 22, 2020 by eyeball