The Coronavirus

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, taxme said:

When all of this foolishness comes to an end every football and hockey game will be sold out. Every restaurant will once again open it's doors to the public. Every kid will probably be glad to be back in school?  Everyone will love their job? The stock market will skyrocket, and every house will have toilet paper, and we will all once again start to hug each other and shake hands. I cannot see people putting up with all of this social distance nonsense or stop all kinds of people assembling to go on for another month or so.. Today,  I  get the feeling that somehow I am living in an Arab or communist country where fun is all but limited if allowed at all. 

The alternative is what we are all being forced to experience and are having to live with today.  Panic and fear. Confinement in our homes and no more old time socializing and getting together out in the fresh air with friends and family and going to concerts, casinos, going on vacations, and enjoy watching a good old fashioned parade or sports game. We the people must once again return to the good old days or else we will all end up going nuts in the head.

We have and always been a free people and to be able to come and go as we please. Now, this has been taken away from us. We must not allow this, what others have called it a "global pandemic exercise" to continue on because it will eventually have to either go to people's heads and drive them crazy or they will have to say enough already. It has to happen or else. Just my opinion of course.    

Once the cases peak, the provinces should begin an economy of the willing.  Basically, anyone who wishes to return to business as usual should be tested and allowed to return to the workplace while adhering to careful public hygiene and social distancing.  It can be staged, such that more essential and lower risk industries return to work sooner.  They may have to agree to some form of symptom-tracking and contact-tracing, so that body temperature is regularly checked and, if the virus is detected, self-isolation can be immediate, followed by testing and return to work following recovery.  I think we could start this once we see a significant decline in the number of new cases.  At that point, like during the New Deal, we could begin the biggest infrastructure building program in Canadian history, finally providing the transportation and energy infrastructure we have talked about for decades.  That would create a good return for at least some of the massive public spending and debt accumulation underway.  Medical supplies, subways, light rail, high-speed trains, pipelines, bridges/highways, ice-breakers, military equipment, water systems for desperate indigenous communities, deep-water cooling, geothermal energy, etc...

Edited April 5, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Rue]

13 hours ago, pinky tuscadero said:

Well, some common sense malcontents are beginning to rear their ugly heads;

why aren't the police throwing these people in jail?

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone pause and reflect on the absolute poverty of data for exponential growth anywhere in the world?

There is proportional growth in cases to test administered, but no exponential growth.

Should that not assuage a little of the fear, make for some sober second thought on whether all-out tyranny is the proper choice?

Police officers in Ontario will now have the right to stop and have the public identify themselves or face hefty fines for violating their orders, according to a new power granted by the province of Ontario using the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (EMCPA).

Seconded

[dialamah]

13 hours ago, pinky tuscadero said:

Does anyone pause and reflect on the absolute poverty of data for exponential growth anywhere in the world?  

There is proportional growth in cases to test administered, but no exponential growth.

So, if those people weren't tested, they wouldn't have the virus?  Is that what you are suggesting?   Because that makes no sense to me.

Anyway, if you can ignore hospitals being overwhelmed in China, Italy and Spain by hundreds of new cases per day as not enough evidence to support the idea of limiting as much as possible the spread of this virus, well, I suppose nothing I or anyone says can persuade you otherwise.  

[Rue]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Once the cases peak, the provinces should begin an economy of the willing.  Basically, anyone who wishes to return to business as usual should be tested and allowed to return to the workplace while adhering to careful public hygiene and social distancing.  It can be staged, such that more essential and lower risk industries return to work sooner.  They may have to agree to some form of symptom-tracking and contact-tracing, so that body temperature is regularly checked and, if the virus is detected, self-isolation can be immediate, followed by testing and return to work following recovery.  I think we could start this once we see a significant decline in the number of new cases.  At that point, like during the New Deal, we could begin the biggest infrastructure building program in Canadian history, finally providing the transportation and energy infrastructure we have talked about for decades.  That would create a good return for at least some of the massive public spending and debt accumulation underway.  Medical supplies, subways, light rail, high-speed trains, pipelines, bridges/highways, ice-breakers, military equipment, water systems for desperate indigenous communities, deep-water cooling, geothermal energy, etc...

What kind of testing will be needed in the future once the rates go down to manageable levelsxeill be the key that and even that may become unnecessary if there is vaccine...but that is all speculative at this point...they are working on a thorough test that you could do at home or at the doctor regularly...it might also detect not just this virus but other ones...we shall see...whatvypu say...graduated return to work will happen if for no other reason many people will have no work to return to.

[taxme]

On 4/4/2020 at 9:07 AM, -TSS- said:

Here in Finland it was seriously proposed that the sale of alcohol should be stopped during the Coronavirus-crisis as the health system will be burdened enough even without people drinking too much. That idea was abandoned as it is obvious that then people who are dependant on alcohol would just turn to even worse stuff like lasol or other such things.

Even though a lot of companies will go bust I doubt breweries will be the first ones considering how much beer people seem to be buying these days at the supermarkets.

It was only this week when bars and restaurants were ordered by the government to shut down. There were some funny incidents how before the official order to shut down some bars were having anti-advertisements like saying that they are reluctantly keeping the Place open because if they decided to shut they wouldn't get a penny from the insurance but they pleaded people not to come.

 

I did not know that beer, wine, and spirits were essential to the survival of we the people? I learn something new every day. 

Hey, says the government, let's just keep all the liquor stores open so we can create a bunch more new drunks who will be too drunk to give a shit as to what is really going on or would want to dare ask questions about this so called pandemic. Keep them dumb and drunk although there are plenty of Canadians who appear to have always been quite drunk and dumb pretty much all of the time and long before this nonsense ever came along.  

It is for dam sure that the booze industry will never go broke. Have you ever heard of any layoffs in the booze industry in your life time? I have not yet. Anyway, the government makes too much moola from booze sales  to ever want to shut them down. The people would rebel for sure. There are just some businesses like the booze business that are immune to that ever happening. I wonder have the pot shops been forced to close yet? Anyone know? 

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I did not know that beer, wine, and spirits were essential to the survival of we the people? I learn something new every day. 

Hey, says the government, let's just keep all the liquor stores open so we can create a bunch more new drunks who will be too drunk to give a shit as to what is really going on or would want to dare ask questions about this so called pandemic. Keep them dumb and drunk although there are plenty of Canadians who appear to have always been quite drunk and dumb pretty much all of the time and long before this nonsense ever came along.  

It is for dam sure that the booze industry will never go broke. Have you ever heard of any layoffs in the booze industry in your life time? I have not yet. Anyway, the government makes too much moola from booze sales  to ever want to shut them down. The people would rebel for sure. There are just some businesses like the booze business that are immune to that ever happening. I wonder have the pot shops been forced to close yet? Anyone know? 

Yes, pot shops are closed now, but you can still order online.  Be glad of what liberties are still available to us.

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Once the cases peak, the provinces should begin an economy of the willing.  Basically, anyone who wishes to return to business as usual should be tested and allowed to return to the workplace while adhering to careful public hygiene and social distancing.  It can be staged, such that more essential and lower risk industries return to work sooner.  They may have to agree to some form of symptom-tracking and contact-tracing, so that body temperature is regularly checked and, if the virus is detected, self-isolation can be immediate, followed by testing and return to work following recovery.  I think we could start this once we see a significant decline in the number of new cases.  At that point, like during the New Deal, we could begin the biggest infrastructure building program in Canadian history, finally providing the transportation and energy infrastructure we have talked about for decades.  That would create a good return for at least some of the massive public spending and debt accumulation underway.  Medical supplies, subways, light rail, high-speed trains, pipelines, bridges/highways, ice-breakers, military equipment, water systems for desperate indigenous communities, deep-water cooling, geothermal energy, etc...

I am not all that sure about all of what you mentioned above although it could possibly become a future plan one day. I personally believe that Emperor Trudeau has been trying to de industrialize Canada for years now. And what we see happening today, is working quite well for him now. I doubt that when this nonsense is all over, I kinda doubt that Trudeau will want to change is de industrializing program and agenda for Canada. Trudeau could careless about the native Indian people. He even cares less about white people. Just saying. 

[Rue]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

So, if those people weren't tested, they wouldn't have the virus?  Is that what you are suggesting?   Because that makes no sense to me.

Anyway, if you can ignore hospitals being overwhelmed in China, Italy and Spain by hundreds of new cases per day as not enough evidence to support the idea of limiting as much as possible the spread of this virus, well, I suppose nothing I or anyone says can persuade you otherwise.  

Yes. People early tested and positive could have been contained and treated and so would not have spread the virus. Many people have had it and never knew and still do not and still could be spreading it.

That is the point and that has been shown to be the case in South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore with early testing...that prevented higher rates and did not require the  kind of distancing we are doing.

The very point is the absence of such testing  has made us rely heavily on distancing which is not the ideal way...the economic damage by our distancing  if it goes on  too long will cause in the long term more deaths than those saved with distancing ..any prolonged  distancing at a certain point if it blocks economy kills people for other reasons. Social distancing is a fall back exercise as as a result of poor pandemic planning.

We had early warning from the Sars issue what to do but governments took the money to create pandemic early warning testing and better medical supply management  that they were going to plan for and abandon it in favour of other projects more likely to get them re-elected.

We ignored what we were supposed to do after Sars. Because Sars mutated into a less contagious virus it petered out and governments switched their focus. We have had numerous warnings from other virus outbreaks not just Sars to better prepare but our governments were more focused on other projects.

The WHO is part of the political problem that resisted pandemic planning in the past due to catering to corrupt political interests.

We have a problem brought about by short sighted governments around the the world and we consumers putting price amount not quality and safety as the primary consideration when purchasing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by Rue

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Rue said:

What kind of testing will be needed in the future once the rates go down to manageable levelsxeill be the key that and even that may become unnecessary if there is vaccine...but that is all speculative at this point...they are working on a thorough test that you could do at home or at the doctor regularly...it might also detect not just this virus but other ones...we shall see...whatvypu say...graduated return to work will happen if for no other reason many people will have no work to return to.

That's why government will likely have to provide the jobs, but if they're useful jobs, that's a much better set-up than paying people to do nothing.  Public works can be the big temporary employer until companies gain the confidence to get back on their feet, as that will likely take some time, especially in sectors where social gathering and contact are the heart of the business: sports, restaurants, bars, resorts, movie theatres, concerts, and much more...

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes, pot shops are closed now, but you can still order online.  Be glad of what liberties are still available to us.

I thought that maybe pot would be put in the same category as booze is. Keep them all opened up so as to help keep some people happy in the head and others drunk while we all go thru this nonsense. Well, we the people certainly have lost the right to their liberty of assembly. A big loss indeed.  This just sounds so communistic to me. Now I have an idea of what it is really like to be living in a communist country where there are laws that do not allow assemblies of too many people being able to get together. To do so can get people in big time trouble and thrown in the gulag. We must be very careful that we do not allow this to ever happen in Canada. Just saying. 

 

[taxme]

14 hours ago, pinky tuscadero said:

Well, some common sense malcontents are beginning to rear their ugly heads;

why aren't the police throwing these people in jail?

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone pause and reflect on the absolute poverty of data for exponential growth anywhere in the world?

There is proportional growth in cases to test administered, but no exponential growth.

Should that not assuage a little of the fear, make for some sober second thought on whether all-out tyranny is the proper choice?

Police officers in Ontario will now have the right to stop and have the public identify themselves or face hefty fines for violating their orders, according to a new power granted by the province of Ontario using the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (EMCPA).

You should try and apply for the job of the  Minister for Communist Propaganda. I would like to see people like you thrown in jail instead. The more I see of what appears to be a bit of communism in nature going on here the more fear and panic is starting to set in for me and I am now wondering as to just how far these politicians are willing to go to keep on trying to deny me my freedoms to go about my business or freedom of assembly.

As far as I am concerned, this has nothing to do with any virus. This has more to do with seeing just how far these globullists like B. Gates and M. Bloomborg and other globullists can push this global pandemic exercise hoax and how far they can get their lackey politicians and the lying media to go along with this so called pandemic and be able to force all Canadians to stay in the brainwashing assembly line.  Allowing and giving the police the power to do what you wrote above is one thing. But will it be gone after this pandemic exercise is all over? I believe that the war measures act is still in force. How long will this act stay in force after this virus has been conquered? Could the police now just be able to carry on stopipng anyone at will without any reason to do so. It is illegal for the police to just stop you without a good reason. if they cannot give you a valid reason for them stopping you, then you can pretty much tell them to go take a hike. Canada has not become a police state just yet, but our dear leaders are working on it, the bloody bunch of buffoons. I will never trust a politician or the media anymore with what they say of do. They have lost all credibility with me. 

[taxme]

52 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So, if those people weren't tested, they wouldn't have the virus?  Is that what you are suggesting?   Because that makes no sense to me.

Anyway, if you can ignore hospitals being overwhelmed in China, Italy and Spain by hundreds of new cases per day as not enough evidence to support the idea of limiting as much as possible the spread of this virus, well, I suppose nothing I or anyone says can persuade you otherwise.  

The problem with most people is that they probably have not done their homework. Many citizen journalists as they are called now have done their homework and have gone too many hospitals across North America and in all of them that they have visited there was no big lineup noticed, nor people lying in beds in hallways, no pandemic going on. Most hospitals were so quiet one could hear a pin drop.

So, before these people continue to keep trying to push their virus propaganda why don't they all go to a few hospitals themselves and check to see if there is all that we are being told about is all so true and is really happening. Or are they still going to be like most lemmings and just go along with what their dear leaders and the media are telling them? It will probably the latter for them, I am pretty dam sure. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

What kind of testing will be needed in the future once the rates go down to manageable levelsxeill be the key that and even that may become unnecessary if there is vaccine...but that is all speculative at this point...they are working on a thorough test that you could do at home or at the doctor regularly...it might also detect not just this virus but other ones...we shall see...whatvypu say...graduated return to work will happen if for no other reason many people will have no work to return to.

I just cannot wait for the day they do come out with a vaccine which is in the plans of those globullists like B. Gates and M. Bloomborg and others of that ilk that you love so much. Will you be the first in line to get your vaccine shot along with all of the ingredients put in them to weaken your immune system even more or will you not. I suspect that you would not because you would already have been told by your pappy and mammy that vaccines do not work, that vaccines are only for gullible stupid fools who want to put in garbage and chemicals in their bodies. 

Thanks to that ilk mentioned above they have created many people to have lost their jobs and maybe lose their homes over one big pandemic hoax and lie. And if people like you gave a dam, you would demand a stop to all of this nonsense before half the country is on welfare. I am pretty sure that people who have lost their jobs would much prefer to have stayed employed and taken their chances rather than be in the mess that they find themselves in now. Why is this virus any worse then the many other viruses that we have seen come along and deal with in our life time? We all just carried on as usual. We have never seen such a reaction from our politicians and the media and even the gone bonkers in the head people that we are seeing today. What a farce and a scam this has all become, and people like you are eating it all up like candy.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Difficult to say tbh. Some people say the Swedes are absolute idiots and/or lunatics. On the other hand, if you can't stop the virus sweeping through the population anyway you can just as well at least not wreck the economy

Looks like the Swedes may be in for a change of course:

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/sweden-prepares-to-tighten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

 

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Looks like the Swedes may be in for a change of course:

 

The differential death rate is down over the last 5 days. As it has for Canada, every day since March 24.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here’s a letter to the BMJ suggesting that Swedes of Somali origin may be more vulnerable to serious illness and death from COVID-19:

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https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1101/rr-10

 

[Rue]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That's why government will likely have to provide the jobs, but if they're useful jobs, that's a much better set-up than paying people to do nothing.  Public works can be the big temporary employer until companies gain the confidence to get back on their feet, as that will likely take some time, especially in sectors where social gathering and contact are the heart of the business: sports, restaurants, bars, resorts, movie theatres, concerts, and much more...

FDR and the New Deal...revisited? ...you see government as the lead...maybe...I would prefer business take take the prime role..but when you think about it they both will have to take pro active roles..

Edited April 5, 2020 by Rue

[Dougie93]

Life & Death

Plausible mortal peril

You don't know if you will be KIA

This is the fog of war

You might die

Worse, your woman might die

All that matters is that you be there for your woman and fun for your kids, right now

So f*cking romantic

It doesn't get hotter than this, right now

Tell her that you love her, you loved her from the moment you saw her, you will love her till the day you die

Which might be tomorrow

So better say it all right now,  then f*ck like bunnies after

It was the worst of times, it was the worst of times

Who cares about the economy ?

Live in the now, so hot, so passionate, warm it all up, everything you got,  if not now, then when ?

 

[Zeitgeist]

47 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Life & Death

Plausible mortal peril

You don't know if you will be KIA

This is the fog of war

You might die

Worse, your woman might die

All that matters is that you be there for your woman and fun for your kids, right now

So f*cking romantic

It doesn't get hotter than this, right now

Tell her that you love her, you loved her from the moment you saw her, you will love her till the day you die

Which might be tomorrow

So better say it all right now,  then f*ck like bunnies after

It was the worst of times, it was the worst of times

Who cares about the economy ?

Live in the now, so hot, so passionate, warm it all up, everything you got,  if not now, then when ?

You’re a romantic gentleman for sure.  I’m impressed.  Well done.  That’s exactly what we should be doing now.  Be there for family and community.  Very little else matters.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re a romantic gentleman for sure.  I’m impressed.  Well done.  That’s exactly what we should be doing now.  Be there for family and community.  Very little else matters.  

How do you want to be remembered by the ones that you love  ?

Noting else matters, that is in fact what life is all about

It's all fleeting, entropy is the nature of the universe, we can never get these moments back

So live it now, with everything you've got, while there is still time

 

[Zeitgeist]

Chivalry has not died.  

[pinky tuscadero]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

You should try and apply for the job of the  Minister for Communist Propaganda. I would like to see people like you thrown in jail instead. The more I see of what appears to be a bit of communism in nature going on here the more fear and panic is starting to set in for me and I am now wondering as to just how far these politicians are willing to go to keep on trying to deny me my freedoms to go about my business or freedom of assembly.

Sorry taxme, I thought my post was dripping with sarcasm.

I am on your side with this plandemic, check out these numbers:

- corona 2020 reaches 1 million total cases worldwide in over 4 months and the press goes into full-conniption

- influenza 2017-2018 infects 45 million in the USA alone, no lockdown

 

Anyhoo, how did the high and mighty Fauci know beyond a shadow of a doubt three years ago that Trump would definitely face a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his term?

That seems oddly specific for a four year term, almost like he had advanced knowledge.

He also appears to have a money grudge against Trump, very strange

 

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Anthony S. Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency. link

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by pinky tuscadero

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, pinky tuscadero said:

- corona 2020 reaches 1 million total cases worldwide in over 4 months and the press goes into full-conniption

- influenza 2017-2018 infects 45 million in the USA alone, no lockdown

 

 

In 2009-2010 the Swine Flu infected a billion or so people worldwide.  I don't remember being locked down then either.  Perhaps not all diseases are the same.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Chivalry has not died.  

I have every confidence in you, you will tell her, you will say it all right now, then f*ck like bunnies after

Nothing else matters, this is what we live for

So f*cking romantic, it doesn't get any better than this

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

Alright, back in job jail. I'm hearing probably eight confirmed positives up from one two days ago, basically everyone they swabbed had it, they are only swabbing residents with symptoms apparently. The basement transitionals basically either all have it or soon will. The owner started coughing and is self isolating, so he might have it too, just saw him two days ago. This place is straight fubar.

Oh son, I better watch out, they're radioiactive.

DEFCON 1