The Coronavirus

[OftenWrong]

Misguided and inappropriate efforts to beat the coronoavirus could cause 1 million extra deaths. In case you people don't get what I've been talking about here for months, this is the outcome of idiotic complete shutdown of all social support systems.

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"The social distancing efforts and lockdowns to control the spread of it [coronavirus], have disrupted HIV prevention and treatment programs and put vital HIV research on hold," said Dr. Anton Pozniak, president of the International AIDS Society, last week, ahead of the conference.

Various surveys proved this to be true, including one released in June by the Global Fund to fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, an international financing nongovernmental organization. It found that across 106 of the countries it works in, 85% reported disruptions to their HIV services and 78% and 73% to tuberculosis and malaria services, respectively. Nearly 20% reported severe disruptions for all three diseases.

Models by the World Health Organization, Stop TB partnership and Imperial College London have predicted that such disruptions could lead to over 1 million extra deaths across these three diseases.

The whole article is worth reading-

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The magnitude of health care issues resulting from the worldwide stoppage has not yet fully come out. This is only one part of the problem, relating to these specific diseases.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Misguided and inappropriate efforts to beat the coronoavirus could cause 1 million extra deaths. In case you people don't get what I've been talking about here for months, this is the outcome of idiotic complete shutdown of all social support systems.

Okay, it was also pointed out months ago that a couple hundred million people will also likely die of famine due to the global reaction to COVID-19.  Whatever misguidedness and inappropriateness exists in the reaction to COVID-19 is due to the general lack of preparedness for dealing a global pandemic. 

All you've been complaining about for months are commies and fascists and that COVID-19 is just the flu and that people die all the time. I think your concern for the plight of sub-Saharan people is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

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The magnitude of health care issues resulting from the worldwide stoppage has not yet fully come out. This is only one part of the problem, relating to these specific diseases.

What you've been ignoring for months is the bigger problem coming out in the wake of unpreparedness - just how lacking and useless capitalism has been in the fight against COVID-19.  We've already seen opinions that state rebuilding the economy will require that measures to protect the environment be set aside as too costly. This opinion is in line with the notion that the economy is more important than people. Other than using them as a prop to help put a shine on their humanity I highly doubt right-wing conservatives really give a flying fig about millions of brown people dying of disease and starvation on the other side of the planet. People have been dying of starvation and disease forever will be the refrain when it comes to setting aside funding for them.

Yes your article was well worth the read.  I didn't notice anyone suggesting COVID-19 should be regarded as the nothingburger your ilk does and in fact the article suggested there will be a stronger case made for developing vaccines faster in the future for other diseases given how fast-tracked the effort to develop one for COVID-19 is.  The only excuse not to accelerate all vaccine development will be the cost and guess who will be complaining the loudest about that?

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by eyeball

[betsy]

Lol.   So now, they know more about this vrus:  it's airborne.  hand-washing and social distancing aren't enough!   Virus can stay in the air!

 

What's so hard to figure out about that one.  Really.    I also said, the wind can carry it farther!

 

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In a commentary that appeared in the Oxford Academic journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, researchers wrote that studies have shown "beyond any reasonable doubt" that viruses can travel tens of meters in the air, and analyses of certain spreading events had demonstrated the same was true of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19.

"Hand washing and social distancing are appropriate, but in our view, insufficient to provide protection from virus-carrying respiratory microdroplets released into the air by infected people," wrote the authors, led by Lidia Morawska of the Queensland University of Technology.

 

https://www.ibtimes.com/global-experts-warn-covid-19-airborne-threat-3006299

 

YOU NEED MASKS!

 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by betsy

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

All you've been complaining about for months are commies and fascists and that COVID-19 is just the flu and that people die all the time. I think your concern for the plight of sub-Saharan people is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

No, that is not what i have been saying. I am not at this point going to rehash all that i have been saying here either.

[Queenmandy85]

Coronavirus traces found in Spanish sewage sample from March 2019

By Staff Reuters

Posted June 29, 2020 8:00 am

 Updated June 29, 2020 10:04 am

 

Covid 19 has been discovered in a sewage water sample in Barcelona taken in March, 2019. It is no longer clear where this virus originated.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 It is no longer clear where this virus originated.

I think many things are becoming unclear because we bring in too many unsubstantiated claims, too quickly. This is not how science and medicine gets done. It is how a lot of people can get killed and a lot of money wasted.

[Boges]

The utter bleepshow that a majority of the US has become in the wake of a hasty and unthoughtful re-opening is evidence that the Shutdown and gradual re-opening was the prudent move. 

Every other country in the Developed World is handling the outbreak and slowly re-opening their economy. In these countries, when flare-ups happen they can be handled

Even Italy, Spain and the UK who were thought of as hopeless quagmires of death in April are able to re-open their economy. 

The US is spiralling out of control. Hospitals will be saturated, and deaths will skyrocket.

Americans really do walk the walk with the sentiment "Give me Freedom, or Give me Death." And if that lack of freedom means they can't go to a bar and have to wear a mask, they'd rather die. 

[Boges]

I think the only country to botch COVID worse than the US is Brazil. 

Also led by an arrogant populist that minimized the threat of the disease at every opportunity. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-positive-coronavirus-intl/index.html

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(CNN)Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for Covid-19, following months of downplaying the virus.

Bolsonaro himself announced the result, speaking on Brazilian TV channels Tuesday.

"Everyone knew that it would reach a considerable part of the population sooner or later. It was positive for me," he said, referring to the Covid-19 test he took Monday.

Earlier on Tuesday Bolsonaro's press office told CNN affiliate CNN Brasil that the President was being treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as he awaited the result of his fourth Covid-19 test in four months.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

The utter bleepshow that a majority of the US has become in the wake of a hasty and unthoughtful re-opening is evidence that the Shutdown and gradual re-opening was the prudent move. 

People need to stop and ask themselves what the graph below is telling them that the mainstream media is not.

But jobs are returning to America. The economy is bouncing back. That's also something the MSM doesn't want to tell you. Ever ask yourself why? Here's a hint - November.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

People need to stop and ask themselves what the graph below is telling them that the mainstream media is not.

But jobs are returning to America. The economy is bouncing back. That's also something the MSM doesn't want to tell you. Ever ask yourself why? Here's a hint - November.

Note that the re-opening has stalled in Florida, Texas and California. 

Hospitals in those states are reaching capacity. 

Death rate is a lag indicator. 

[Infidel Dog]

I heard about Texas and Florida:

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(MIAMI) — Hospitals rapidly approached capacity across the Sunbelt, and the Miami area closed restaurants and gyms again because of the surging coronavirus Monday, as the U.S. emerged from a Fourth of July weekend of picnics, pool parties and beach outings that health officials fear could fuel the rapidly worsening outbreak.

The seesaw effect — restrictions lifted, then reimposed — has been seen around the country in recent weeks and is expected again after a holiday that saw crowds of people celebrating

https://time.com/5863564/hospitals-capacity-coronavirus-surge/

Time magazine says "Seesaw effect". You say "Lag indicator."

Meanwhile the death rate keeps plummeting. Sucks that the hospitals are approaching capacity in the 2 states. I heard a lot of that is due to people returning to hospitals to have elective surgeries done as covid restrictions relax. And apparently the MSM has you convinced that there's nothing to see there on the plummeting death rate.

It's more "Lag indicator! Approaching capacity in Texas and Florida! OMG! All Americans are gonna die!!!"

Cause, Trump, right?  

Edited July 7, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

18 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I heard about Texas and Florida:

https://time.com/5863564/hospitals-capacity-coronavirus-surge/

Time magazine says "Seesaw effect". You say "Lag indicator."

Meanwhile the death rate keeps plummeting. Sucks that the hospitals are approaching capacity in the 2 states. I heard a lot of that is due to people returning to hospitals to have elective surgeries done as covid restrictions relax. And apparently the MSM has you convinced that there's nothing to see there on the plummeting death rate.

It's more "Lag indicator! Approaching capacity in Texas and Florida! OMG! All Americans are gonna die!!!"

Cause, Trump, right?  

Do people getting a knee replacement need an ICU bed? 

Regardless, if you go to the Hospital because of a car accident and it's full of COVID-19 patients your chances of dying increases. 

Even if the death rate doesn't go up in response to the rush of COVID-19 cases. The re-opening of these states has been put on hold.

While in the rest of the developed world, the re-opening is going accordingly. What was the rush to get things opened if you have to go back inside after a month? 

[Infidel Dog]

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Even if the death rate doesn't go up in response to the rush of COVID-19 cases. The re-opening of these states has been put on hold.

Again...you say "lag indicator." Time magazine says "seesaw effect."

Neither term impresses me much when I look at the graph that shows me death rate has plummeted. 

I imagine it is a little inconvenient that hospitals might get overcrowded in 2 states after the July 4th long weekend.

I won't be pulling my hair out and peeing the bed as per the MSM's instructions though. 

[Infidel Dog]

Here's somebody below who isn't as frightened as she thinks you should be though.

Love the caption in the title of the story on this pic.

Attempted murder? AOC removes face mask, blows bubbles at defenseless child:

Edited July 7, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Here's a good one on why and how the Prog elite and their pet media want to convince you you're all gonna die as they open districts to activities they favor:

The Anti-American Pattern Of Elites’ Coronavirus Restrictions

[Infidel Dog]

This is more than a little bit hilarious.

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Speaking of MSM hypocrisy as they try to instigate fear in the rest of us, remember this one?

 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Again...you say "lag indicator." Time magazine says "seesaw effect."

Neither term impresses me much when I look at the graph that shows me death rate has plummeted. 

I imagine it is a little inconvenient that hospitals might get overcrowded in 2 states after the July 4th long weekend.

More like 30+ states. And this was happening before July 4th. The Weekend where people ignored Social distance will probably make things worse. 

[bush_cheney2004]

More Canadian COVID FEAR...stoked by the CBC.  

So be afraid...be very very afraid.

 

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Canadians' COVID-19 fears are rising again — and the U.S. might be to blame

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-covid-canada-us-1.5640734

 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

More Canadian COVID FEAR...stoked by the CBC.  

So be afraid...be very very afraid.

They're just reporting a study. 

But a lot of Canadians acceptance of things like Social Distancing and masks is due to what they're seeing in the US. 

 

Look at the US media reporting on JT standing Trump up for his NAFTA 2.0 ceremony. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics/trump-justin-trudeau-coronavirus-north-american-trade-agreement/index.html

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

More Canadian COVID FEAR...stoked by the CBC.  

So be afraid...be very very afraid.

You do realize fear is an evolved sense that lends itself well to survival right?  In any case this is excellent news and clear evidence that the better economic success BC is enjoying at the moment is due to the fear inspired lockdowns we went thru earlier this year. One of our guests even remarked that if it hadn't been for CERB getting them thru the dark days they wouldn't have been able to afford to get out of Dodge for a few days this summer. The effect of lockdowns and financial assistance was that it's left our economy in a position where it could make hay when the sun started shining again.  A few months of this will allow us to scrape together the resources it'll take to ease the pain of further lockdowns of which I expect there'll be at least a couple more of until vaccines and treatments are developed.

Meanwhile the more reckless less supportive approach being taken in the US provides a constant reminder to Canada of what doesn't work and reinforces lessons learned from the Spanish flu where longer lasting poorer economic outcomes were the consequence of opening up too fast and too aggressively.  I suspect the lesson to be learned from this pandemic is that capitalism simply cannot get thru the dark days without socialism to show the way.

Kumbiya has risen.

[Boges]

It took over 3 months for the US to hit 1 million cases of COVID-19. 

It took 28 days for the US to go from 2 million cases to 3 million cases. 

Yikes. Can they get to 4 million in 2 weeks? 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

They're just reporting a study.

 

No, they are reporting FEAR...FEAR that is stoked by the constant barrage of U.S. media that Canada consumes voraciously...step right up...pick your cable news channel.

FEAR that the extended border closure, which could last years, will do permanent economic damage.

...and of course there is snowbird FEAR that they may have to spend a winter in their own country.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You do realize fear is an evolved sense that lends itself well to survival right?

 

Blue herons are inherently more fearful than are eagles.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No, they are reporting FEAR...FEAR that is stoked by the constant barrage of U.S. media that Canada consumes voraciously...step right up...pick your cable news channel.

FEAR that the extended border closure, which could last years, will do permanent economic damage.

No, it's fear that people from a country that's 30 times the COVID cases (3 times per capita) will be coming to the country unmonitored. 

The real economic fear isn't the border and trade, it's that the US will collapse because of its polarized political climate and toxic leadership. 

 

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...and of course there is snowbird FEAR that they may have to spend a winter in their own country.

I suspect that's a likely outcome.