Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Really ? Hasn't the U.S. closed it's northern border to non-essential land travel from Canada and Mexico ? Or does that only count on the Canadian side ? I was more talking about masks and social distancing. But sure, that's mitigation. (slow clap) Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: I was more talking about masks and social distancing. But sure, that's mitigation. (slow clap) Talk is cheap....plenty of Americans are wearing masks and distancing, but it is easier for you to generalize in ignorance. Canada gets masks and other PPE from a U.S. company....3M. Begged Trump for them. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Talk is cheap....plenty of Americans are wearing masks and distancing, but it is easier for you to generalize in ignorance. Clearly not enough. Masks are satanic. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn Quote Canada gets masks and other PPE from a U.S. company....3M. Begged Trump for them. I'm not talking about N95 masks. You can get surgical masks in the Dollar Store now. Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Clearly not enough. They were told not to wear masks in the beginning....even your asshat doctors drank the WHO Kool-Aid®. Masks are required for many retail stores and restaurants. Surfaces, carts, baskets, etc. are sanitized by employees. Acrylic barriers are set up at point of sale counters. You just want to crap on Americans...as usual. Quote I'm not talking about N95 masks. You can get surgical masks in the Dollar Store now. Right....so Canada begs for N95 masks from the Americans while you crap on them. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They were told not to wear masks in the beginning....even your asshat doctors drank the WHO Kool-Aid®. Masks are required for many retail stores and restaurants. Surfaces, carts, baskets, etc. are sanitized by employees. Acrylic barriers are set up at point of sale counters. You just want to crap on Americans...as usual. It's your POTUS that makes masks a political issue. Yesterday you said that these numbers are just people getting infection over with. Now you're saying that mitigation is important to many Americans. So which is it? Quote Right....so Canada begs for N95 masks from the Americans while you crap on them. If that's the narrative you want to go with. Then there's the narrative that #45 wanted to ban a company from exporting their product abroad and cooler heads prevailed. Canada has local manufacturing now anyway. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-company-produce-n95-masks-1.5599447 Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: It's your POTUS that makes masks a political issue. Yesterday you said that these numbers are just people getting infection over with. Now you're saying that mitigation is important to many Americans. So which is it? It is both....try to keep up if you can. Just because some Americans choose not to wear a mask does not mean all mitigation steps are being ignored. You are wrong about what is happening in all states, and only see things through your "I HATE TRUMP" lens. Quote If that's the narrative you want to go with. Then there's the narrative that #45 wanted to ban a company from exporting their product abroad and cooler heads prevailed. Great...and since you are so worried about Americans wearing masks, I am sure you would support stopping all shipments to Canada so Americans can have more available. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: It is both....try to keep up if you can. Just because some Americans choose not to wear a mask does not mean all mitigation steps are being ignored. You are wrong about what is happening in all states, and only see things through your "I HATE TRUMP" lens Did I say all states? I'm sure plenty people are being responsible. But the numbers don't lie. Quote Great...and since you are so worried about Americans wearing masks, I am sure you would support stopping all shipments to Canada so Americans can have more available. I don't think a shortage of masks is the issue anymore. I don't think Masks are all that political. They seem to be the new seatbelt. But as an observer, I see masks becoming very political in the US. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Did I say all states? I'm sure plenty people are being responsible. But the numbers don't lie. So only irresponsible people are getting COVID and some dying in Canada ? That's remarkable ! Quote I don't think a shortage of masks is the issue anymore. I don't think Masks are all that political. They seem to be the new seatbelt. But as an observer, I see masks becoming very political in the US. You see lots of things in the U.S. as political. As an observer, stopping all shipments to Canada from the U.S. would make it an issue. Plenty of people in Canada don't wear face masks too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So only irresponsible people are getting COVID and some dying in Canada ? That's remarkable ! Did I say that? What I'm saying is that just about all the Developed world is on the downside of the Curve, except the US. Why is that? Quote Plenty of people in Canada don't wear face masks too. You're right. Most retailers don't even really mandate it. Because community spread is under control. Funny how that works. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Did I say that? What I'm saying is that just about all the Developed world is on the downside of the Curve, except the US. Why is that? That's not true at all....example Brazil and Germany. You just want to focus on the U.S. because of TRUMP...TRUMP...TRUMP ! Quote You're right. Most retailers don't even really mandate it. Because community spread is under control. Funny how that works. How "irresponsible"....no wonder Ontario and Quebec have hotspots. So you don't want shipments of PPE from the U.S. to stop so Americans can do better ? Thought so.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's not true at all....example Brazil and Germany. You just want to focus on the U.S. because of TRUMP...TRUMP...TRUMP ! Brazil is a developed country? And what about Germany? They've probably handled this pandemic better than most countries. Also, I'll point out the Brazil's outbreak is due to the the exact same issues with the US. A populist leader that denies the seriousness of virus. So yeah TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. I can't goad people into a debate talking about Brazil. Quote How "irresponsible"....no wonder Ontario and Quebec have hotspots. How do you define a hotspot? Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Brazil is a developed country? And what about Germany? They've probably handled this pandemic better than most countries. Yes...the BRIC nations are considered to be developed beyond so called "third world" countries. Germany is certainly a developed nation, and is now having an increase in COVID cases. But you can continue to ignore the facts, because for you it is all about TRUMP ! See below... Quote Also, I'll point out the Brazil's outbreak is due to the the exact same issues with the US. A populist leader that denies the seriousness of virus. So yeah TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. I can't goad people into a debate talking about Brazil. How do you define a hotspot? Horspot ? You mean like in Canada....mines...meat packing plants....Ontario...Quebec....like that ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/gov-abbott-all-bars-must-close-texas-announcement-friday-june-26/285-9775cea0-8034-4518-9a40-1c5700952409 https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-26-20-intl/h_a7c96d40058684912bc493dec54ddd50 MITIGATION!!!!! Sounds like a Shutdown to me. Quote Here is what the order includes: All bars that get more than 51% of their gross receipts from the sale of alcoholic beverages are required to close at 12:00 p.m. today. These businesses may remain open for delivery and take-out, including for alcoholic beverages, as authorized by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Restaurants can remain open for dine-in service, but their capacities can not exceed 50% of total listed indoor occupancy, beginning on Monday. Rafting and tubing businesses must close. Outdoor gatherings of 100 or more people must be approved by local governments, with certain exceptions. Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But you can continue to ignore the facts, because for you it is all about TRUMP ! I actually, more or less, talk about Trump in the Trump thread. I didn't mention him in my first post today about the Virus. You brought Trump into the equation when discussing his decision in April to ban 3M from sending 3M masks to Canada. I did mention GOP governors who have changed their tune about the virus. Remember yesterday when you called that a blindspot? The facts are that the rate of the outbreak in the US dwarf what's been seen anywhere else in the developed, since the start of June, is worth discussing. Places were opened thinking the curve had been flattened, and in many US states, the situation is worse than it was in April. And talking about masks and meat plants in Germany won't change that. Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 COVID poster child Germany has increasing cases....blame Trump. Quote BERLIN — A spike of more than 1,500 coronavirus infections within days has dealt a sudden blow to Germany’s efforts to reopen the country, calling into question the durability of what had been widely considered a success story in managing the contagion in Europe. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-reopening.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: I actually, more or less, talk about Trump in the Trump thread. I didn't mention him in my first post today about the Virus. I did mention GOP governors who have changed their tune about the virus. Remember yesterday when you called that a blindspot? No...I remember mocking your initial use of the term "blindspot" in the singular and plural. Quote The facts are that the rate of the outbreak in the US dwarf what's been seen anywhere else in the developed, since the start of June. And it's worth discussing. Places were opened thinking the curve had been flattened, and in many US states, the situation is worse than it was in April. And talking about masks and meat plants in Germany won't change that. Then do so in a complete context...globally, or you are just America/Trump bashing, as usual. The "situation" must be worse than in April because of basic math....same as in Canada. Brazil....Germany...India...and other nations are also experiencing "hotspots". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: No...I remember mocking your initial use of the term "blindspot" in the singular and plural. OK, so what's your analysis on the rollbacks of re-opening in multiple US states? Quote Then do so in a complete context...globally, or you are just America/Trump bashing, as usual. The "situation" must be worse than in April because of basic math....same as in Canada. Brazil....Germany...India...and other nations are also experiencing "hotspots". OK. Brazil's president minimized the threat of the virus. He called it the "Little Flu" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brazil-has-the-most-confirmed-covid-19-cases-in-latin-america-so-what-says-president-bolsonaro-1.5550720 Now his country is suffering. Sound familiar? Germany has one outbreak. Certainly a huge setback. We'll see how they react. 1,500 cases is a lot, but not catastrophic. India was always going to be a problem. They have 1 billion people and minimal public health infrastructure. Lots of people will die there and we probably will only know of a fraction of the cases. Happy? Quote
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) And the Hotspot in Ontario. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-lowest-number-of-new-cases-of-covid-19-in-more-than-three-months-1.5001154 Quote Ontario is reporting its lowest number of new cases of COVID-19 in more than three months. Health Minister Christine Elliott says that there were 111 new instances of the virus confirmed on Thursday, which would be the lowest number in any 24-hour period since March 25. It also represents a significant reduction from the 189 new cases reported one day prior. Ontario has 2,000 active cases. To put that into perspective. Florida announced 9,000 new cases JUST TODAY!!!! Quote From CNN's Tina Burnside The Florida Department of Health is reporting at least 8,942 new cases of Covid-19, bringing the state total to 122,960, according to data released by the state on Friday. Friday's data is the highest single day reporting of coronavirus cases since the start of the pandemic. Yesterday, Florida reported 5,004 new cases of coronavirus. Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: OK, so what's your analysis on the rollbacks of re-opening in multiple US states? My analysis ? Governors of states have made decisions about re-opening based on many criteria, and each state is different. Most included provisions for renewed shutdowns and slowing re-openings. Their decision...not mine (or yours). Quote OK. Brazil's Germany India Happy? Sorry if facts make you unhappy...just doing my job. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: My analysis ? Governors of states have made decisions about re-opening based on many criteria, and each state is different. Most included provisions for renewed shutdowns and slowing re-openings. Their decision...not mine (or yours). How does that mesh with your philosophy that we should just let the virus loose in the public to create Herd Immunity? Are this numbers by design? and should these communist governors not stand in the way? Quote Sorry if facts make you unhappy...just doing my job. Where have I demonstrated this? I analyzed the places you discussed. What other countries would you like to discuss? Edited June 26, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: How does that mesh with your philosophy that we should just let the virus loose in the public to create Herd Immunity? Are this numbers by design? and should these communist governors not stand in the way? ??? The virus is already "loose in the public". What do you think "pandemic" means ? Numbers are just a subset of actual infections, cases, and deaths....even in Canada. So ? Quote Where have I demonstrated this? I analyzed the places you discussed. What other countries would you like to discuss? You are seemingly obsessed on one nation for a global pandemic....because of TRUMP ! Broaden your perspective....if you can. Quote Coronavirus: Evening update as European cases grow and tempers fray on UK beaches 25 June 2020 1. Virus increasing again in Europe Weekly cases of Covid-19 have increased in the Europe for the first time in months, as lockdown restrictions continue to be eased, the World Health Organization says. It warns there are "very significant" resurgences in 11 countries, including Armenia, Sweden, Moldova and North Macedonia, where health systems will be "pushed to the brink" if action isn't taken. Read more here on how lockdown is being lifted across Europe or click here to find out where in the world cases are still rising. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53182910 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: ??? The virus is already "loose in the public". What do you think "pandemic" means ? Numbers are just a subset of actual infections, cases, and deaths....even in Canada. So ? Yes but governments can help in "flattening the curve" by limiting people interacting with each other. Do you support or oppose this. Quote You are seemingly obsessed on one nation for a global pandemic....because of TRUMP ! Broaden your perspective....if you can. And you're trying to stifle debate because you can't handle hearing your nation criticized. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Yes but governments can help in "flattening the curve" by limiting people interacting with each other. Do you support or oppose this. Opposed without limits on such power and resulting economic damage. Civil rights are being curtailed without due process, unless you want to protest and loot stores. Quote And you're trying to stifle debate because you can't handle hearing your nation criticized. Not at all....my nation aggregates and publicly reports far more COVID data than yours, with much better granularity. Debate should include the full context, not just your anti TRUMP/GOP crusade. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Opposed without limits on such power and resulting economic damage. Civil rights are being curtailed without due process, unless you want to protest and loot stores. You could always claim any regulations could cause economic damage. Millions of sick people also hurts the economy though. People will continue to contribute to the economy when they feel safe. How can you feel safe with numbers like that? Quote Not at all....my nation aggregates and publicly reports far more COVID data than yours, with much better granularity. Debate should include the full context, not just your anti TRUMP/GOP crusade. I have no problem with that. But comparing a 1,500 case outbreak in Germany to the some 30,000 plus cases seen daily in the US is not proper context. Quote
eyeball Posted June 26, 2020 Report Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shady said: No, it's not up to so-called experts. So-called experts don't have the authority to abolish our rights. Who ever said they did Shady? Listening to expert advise is just another option. We're all still entirely within our rights to ignore them. i suppose its possible that Bonnie Henry could become a blood thirsty monster if she was given control of the military, she was after all a navy surgeon but c'mon.. Quote Regardless, lockdowns are done with anyways. Everyone, no matter where in the world is opening up with mitigation practices. It's the only viable option. It's certainly viable in some places and I'm making the very most of my opportunity to regroup a little while I can. I fully expect we'll be buttoning up again in the fall and thru the winter and spring. Maybe remaining open a little more the next time around will be a viable option for some given what we've learned and maybe in other regions it won't. Point being everyone better keep their options open including more lock downs that could even more severe in places. This is a serious problem we're faced with Shady, it's not just a flu. Edited June 26, 2020 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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