DogOnPorch Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Russia...and the Ukraine...are Europe's biggest sources of natural gas. It's all about THAT. Russia wants it all....Ukraine wants to try and keep what it has...both wish to sell to the highest bidder. Germany, Hungary, etc...love the stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Personally I don't buy the idea that Putin and the Russians prefer Trump in the White House. If you look at the overall picture from Putin's perspective, the Russians are much better off with the Democrats, especially if you consider who the Democratic front runners have been. I'm thinking of Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Bernie Sanders in the present. A lot of money came from the Russians to the Clinton Foundation up until the time she lost the election to Trump. Not surprisingly, the contributions dropped off significantly after November 2016. It sure looks like "pay to play" doesn't it? Clearly the evidence suggests the Russians were hoping to get Hillary to the White House. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-donations/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6432065/Clinton-Foundations-income-plummeted-Hillary-lost-2016-election.html As for the current front runner Bernie Sanders, how could the Russians not possibly be thrilled at the prospect of this socialist crackpot being President? Bernie's admiration for Communist dictatorships has been well known for many years now. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-praised-communist-cuba-and-the-soviet-union-in-the-1980s This Putin/Trump conspiracy is nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, ironstone said: As for the current front runner Bernie Sanders, how could the Russians not possibly be thrilled at the prospect of this socialist crackpot being President? Bernie's admiration for Communist dictatorships has been well known for many years now. The Russians aren't very Communist anymore. They've changed...Bernie hasn't. The Russians loved the Clintons/Obamas, though. As corruptible as they were... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The Russians aren't very Communist anymore. They've changed...Bernie hasn't. Exactly. The Russians are a bunch of crooks now - right up Trump's ally. He and Putin go together like carrots and peas. Putin knows what he likes. He's been making bitches out of Republicans since GW Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 7:58 PM, Shady said: Russia preferred Obama over Romney in 2012. He even mocked Romney for insisting that Russia was a geopolitical foe. I’m sure Putin was giving a thumbs up while watching that debate. Hell, Obama even promised Russia that he’d have more flexibility after the election. I can only imagine if Trump was caught on a hot mic saying something similar! ”I understand, I will transmit this information to Vladimir “ That’s when cozying up to Russia was en vogue! True. Which is why I support Romney over Trump. Thank you. If you actually play back the comments Romney made on Russia he was dead on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 We know the Russians, through different means,have funnelled millions of dollars to the Clintons over the years(Clinton Foundation,Bill's speeches etc). Can anyone put a dollar figure on how much Donald Trump supposedly received from the Russians. Remember that Trump has been very wealthy for a long time,way before jumping into politics. The Clintons became fabulously wealthy only during their time at the White House and the period when they had enormous influence in Washington. What does that suggest to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Rue said: True. Which is why I support Romney over Trump. Thank you. If you actually play back the comments Romney made on Russia he was dead on. Yep, just illustrating how Obama cozied up to Putin. I agree, I liked Romney as well. Unfortunately it looks like the choice will be Trump or Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 23 hours ago, ironstone said: Personally I don't buy the idea that Putin and the Russians prefer Trump in the White House. If you look at the overall picture from Putin's perspective, the Russians are much better off with the Democrats, especially if you consider who the Democratic front runners have been. I'm thinking of Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Bernie Sanders in the present. A lot of money came from the Russians to the Clinton Foundation up until the time she lost the election to Trump. Not surprisingly, the contributions dropped off significantly after November 2016. It sure looks like "pay to play" doesn't it? Clearly the evidence suggests the Russians were hoping to get Hillary to the White House. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-donations/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6432065/Clinton-Foundations-income-plummeted-Hillary-lost-2016-election.html As for the current front runner Bernie Sanders, how could the Russians not possibly be thrilled at the prospect of this socialist crackpot being President? Bernie's admiration for Communist dictatorships has been well known for many years now. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-praised-communist-cuba-and-the-soviet-union-in-the-1980s This Putin/Trump conspiracy is nonsense. You think the armchair millionaire socialism of Bernie Boy is even close to Putin's version of fascism? Really? Couldn't be more opposite. Hello what planet do you live on Iron? You don't think Trump and Putin are not the same person? Have you really ever seen them together at the same time? You know Hilary and Donny have doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 10 hours ago, eyeball said: Exactly. The Russians are a bunch of crooks now - right up Trump's ally. He and Putin go together like carrots and peas. Putin knows what he likes. He's been making bitches out of Republicans since GW Bush. That doesn’t make any sense at all. It’s a funny picture Though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, eyeball said: Exactly. The Russians are a bunch of crooks Russians have always been crooks. What's a seven letter word for something you find in Russia? T-R-O-U-B-L-E ---Felix the Cat (1920s) Edited February 23, 2020 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Yep, just illustrating how Obama cozied up to Putin. I agree, I liked Romney as well. Unfortunately it looks like the choice will be Trump or Bernie. Now look Shady if that is the choice even moi would vote Trump. What a choice. I can't take 10 seconds of Bernie, 15 of Donny. I will concede of course Shady from an economic perspective, Trump's government would be better than Bernie's blithering armchair 60's theories on government. Talk about dinosaurs. Do me a favour because you are a fiscal kind of person I get when it comes to economy what do you and Wes and Trumpers think of Bloomberg in terms of financial policies. I do not think he will win I am just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 8:05 PM, Moonlight Graham said: Because I don't like the Russian government. You do not like Trump, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, ironstone said: We know the Russians, through different means,have funnelled millions of dollars to the Clintons over the years(Clinton Foundation,Bill's speeches etc). Can anyone put a dollar figure on how much Donald Trump supposedly received from the Russians. Remember that Trump has been very wealthy for a long time,way before jumping into politics. The Clintons became fabulously wealthy only during their time at the White House and the period when they had enormous influence in Washington. What does that suggest to you? That the deep state Clinton's were nothing more than a couple of crooks, liars and thieves. Rumor had it that Hillary wanted a war with Russia. Plenty of money to be made with wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 As bad a President that Bernie Sanders could be for Americans and their entire economy, it should also be very worrisome about who is close to him and who is whispering in his ear. AOC,Rashida Talib,Ilhan Omar. Both radical and dangerous. In politics I believe voters often have to choose the lesser of two evils and that's why I hope Trump get's a resounding victory in 2020. For all his faults he's a much safer choice than the current front runner for the Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Well, its going to be Uncle Joe now... Anyways, you all completely fail to mention that economic sanctions have been very damaging to the Russian economy and that Trump has been the only US 'political' figure advertising that those sanctions should be lifted... International sanctions during the Ukrainian crisis And that Putin actually said so. Putin: I wanted Trump to win the election Not sure its worked out that well since Trump has only further increased sanctions just recently even though Trump is rather quiet about the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 8:55 AM, Shady said: That doesn’t make any sense at all. It’s a funny picture Though! It doesn't have to make any sense. Tell the same lie 1,000 times and it becomes the truth. "Trump colluded with Russia" has been pummelled into the hapless minds of CNN drones for 3 years and it's not going away any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: It doesn't have to make any sense. Tell the same lie 1,000 times and it becomes the truth. "Trump colluded with Russia" has been pummelled into the hapless minds of CNN drones for 3 years and it's not going away any time soon. Have you noticed lately that the democrats have been quiet about Trump, and appear to have held up on their fake and phony lies and efforts in trying to impeach Trump these days? Could it be that they finally have tired themselves out, and lost the wind in their impeachment sails? Whatever has happened it sure is great to see that their foolishness and trouble making may at last have been put to rest. I guess that just maybe they have finally figured out that they cannot get Trump on anything, and have quit with their childish antics. At least one can only hope so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 6 hours ago, WestCanMan said: It doesn't have to make any sense. Tell the same lie 1,000 times and it becomes the truth. "Trump colluded with Russia" has been pummelled into the hapless minds of CNN drones for 3 years and it's not going away any time soon. It's still a fact that Republican Presidents have sought and had closer relationships with Putin than Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's still a fact that Republican Presidents have sought and had closer relationships with Putin than Democrats. That's not true...Bill Clinton not only pursued Putin while in office, but long after that. https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-russia-uranium-deal-689321 Edited March 6, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's still a fact that Republican Presidents have sought and had closer relationships with Putin than Democrats. Because he's not a Communist and Russia is not the Soviet Union, the Democrats are literally inciting another cold war, just to score cheap political points domestically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's not true...Bill Clinton not only pursued Putin while in office, but long after that. I think it's pretty clear Bush and Trump cozied up closer, especially Bush. But you can't agree so...I get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) On 2/20/2020 at 7:25 PM, godzilla said: because this will be ongoing and deserves a new thread to track. Russia Is Helping Elect Trump Again, Intel Official Says "The meeting, which took place on February 13, was conducted for the House Intelligence Committee" “It continues with the same target, and the same purpose, and it’s clear that they [the Russians] favor one candidate over the other” “The president said he didn’t want any more briefings like this” "And in the wake of the briefing, Trump forced out Maguire" follow the same recipe as last time i guess! more pancakes! Let's make it clear here with your title "back together," just because Russia is helping Trump to get re-elected, doesn't mean that Trump is in cahoots with Russia. It kinda gives the wrong insinuation. Let's point the finger at the obvious root of this: Welcome to the 21st century - technology has made it so easy to interfere with any country's election, economy etc.., Edited March 6, 2020 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted March 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Judge slams Barr, orders review of Mueller report deletions "A federal judge excoriated Attorney General Bill Barr on Thursday for distorting the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller during his investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia." "Republican-appointed judge endorsing Mueller’s view that Barr’s characterization led to confusion" "Justice Department lawyers asked that the judge bless the deletions from the report based on a declaration submitted by a department official. But Walton declined to do so" “I just think it’s a banana republic when we go down that road.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 13 hours ago, eyeball said: It's still a fact that Republican Presidents have sought and had closer relationships with Putin than Democrats. It is a lot better to have good relationships with Putin rather than try and start a war with Russia. As long as Trump is the president, there will never be a war with Russia. Trump is a peacemaker, not a warmonger. I am very happy to have to bust your TDS bubble again on Trump, a real and true political leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 11 hours ago, eyeball said: I think it's pretty clear Bush and Trump cozied up closer, especially Bush. But you can't agree so...I get that. Give us a good reason as to why Trump should not cozy up and get friendly with Putin? Go ahead, make your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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