Should Don Cherry Have Been Fired?

[Rue]

On 11/11/2019 at 5:06 PM, PPC2019 said:

O wow.... A university professor? You could be a great asset. I didn't think the professors spent time on the forums.

I've been kicked off twitter trying to wake up the professors.

Good for you. Question and challenge everything. Listen I can tell you if we say anything students complain. The moment they do not get a mark they like they file a complaint that we are racist aholes. I just went through 12 accusations all found false that took 3 weeks to investigate all precipitated by one ahole who did not like the mark I gave him hiding behind the race card. Its a fact of life. Freedom of speech is dead. If someone like me says anything it gets thrown back at us in a different context and meaning. Students illegally and without consent tape and film us with their cell phone and add and delete. I had a student tape and film me knowing another was. The other who wanted to complain to me sent in his cut version and I had the other one to back me up. Its ridiculous the lengths students go today to complain when they do not get a good mark. That is another issue. Is it racist though for me to say we have absolutely watered down the standard of education to accommodate international students who pay big bucks to go to our schools amounting to 7 billion a year? Is it racist to say they often can not read or write English at grade 5 level and I am told not to fail them? Its it racist to say the schools now cater to international students as a cash cow and its destroyed the school system? Is that racist? I am the first to commend and assist good international students and they exist. Am I a racist to say otherwise and point out the bad ones? When is a generalization a deliberate act of hatred or bigoted? We all debate that. It depends on context and intent. Hey I whine to Argus all the time about his getting to general in some comments about ALL Muslims but is it racist if he or someone suggests Islam is used to justify terrorism? I am no more or less racist than anyone on this forum. We all have opinions even Taxme who I know is in my subjective opinion a genuine white supremacist but as much as I disagree with him he has a right to his views.

Oh face it we live in a censored society obsessed with imagined slights and victims.

Cherry's "you people" was a clumsy reference to all of us who came to Canada and all of us did. It was a clumsy reference certain people can use to make themselves feel outraged. His comment was right. We have numerous Canadians new and not so new who have come to this country to enjoy its benefits and refuse to acknowledge the price paid for those benefits. I am a friggin "you people" and I totally agree with him. I am not racist. I hate everyone. As for you just because I disagree with you or vice versa is no big fng deal. We debate right? What happened we can't disagree with people without having to censor them? The people I like the most on this forum I debate all the time. Its a sign of respect. It shows them you listen to what they write. Arguments and disagreements are great. Its what its about. Quite frankly I do not think Cherry gives a damn about his being fired.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Rue

[Yzermandius19]

Post it 10 more times, why don't you?

Edited November 13, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[SkyHigh]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Things take time. Without the mask, it never would have happened at all.

So let me get this straight, even though people used the butterfly before masks, and it took 30 years before it was used again, they're related?

Please explain

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I know what Joe Warmington's opinions on this matter is. 

Ron MacLean got re-hired because Strombo crashed and burned. 

Perhaps Ron really believed that Don was in the wrong and regrets for not calling him out on the air. 

Don Cherry was on Fox News's Tucker Carlson last night. If that's the type of support he wishes to garner, you won't see him on Canadian TV anytime soon. 

Ron McLean is entitled to his opinion, Don Cherry, his opinion.  McLean knows what Cherry meant. He could have said it was not meant to single out only certain people if he wanted. If he really thinks Cherry went off on a rant about only new Canadians which I doubt he did, then he should feel quite fine about his apology.

[Dougie93]

 

[SkyHigh]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They are related because the mask made the butterfly more effective, because goalies weren't hurt as bad when they took pucks to the face. Hence why Glenn Hall wore one at the end of his career, if he was better without it, he wouldn't have worn it. Goalies were not forced to wear masks back then, but they naturally adopted them, because it helped them, not hurt them.

If Roy didn't have a mask, he could not have played that way as effectively in order to preserve his noggin, and the style would not have been popularized with his success.

Again ever actually put on a goalie mask? How does losing peripheral vision make you better? A mask protects you that's it.

The butterfly is about crease movement and the ability to react.

If the mask was responsible why didn't every goalie adopt it in the 60's or the 70's or most of the 80's ?

Because one has nothing to do with the other, but please provide any evidence of causation other than your unfounded opinion

[jacee]

Don Cherry admits he should have used different w…:

Don Cherry says he should have said "everybody" instead of "you people".

That doesn't resolve the problem at all. Don Cherry continues to miss the point: 

"I live in Mississauga. Nobody wears a poppy there. Downtown Toronto, nobody wears a poppy. You people that come here ... you people ... you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that," Cherry said Saturday night. "These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price."

"You people that come here ..." 

THAT is the problem. His rant was directed at immigrants/visible minorities. While he's dancing around it, he's still not retracting his RACIST rant. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by jacee

[Boges]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

If he thought he was getting rehired then having this clown call Rogers and their viewers Fascist is not the way to go. 

[jacee]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're a racist and you support violent extremists, so it makes perfect sense that you discriminate against people because of their age.

Wow.

Those libelous accusations require explanation of how I am "racist" and how I support "violent extremists". 

As for age discrimination ... Don Cherry wasn't fired because of his age, but for his racism. It isn't his first offense either. If he had been 'retired' after earlier offenses, he wouldn't have had to be fired in shame. I am putting that responsibility on his employers because I feel they bear responsibility for that: They kept him on well past his level of competency to suck every dollar they could out of his popularity, until his incompetence ultimately shamed him. An employer who does that to an employee is a bloodsucking parasite. 

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

If he thought he was getting rehired then having this clown call Rogers and their viewers Fascist is not the way to go. 

I don't want Don to be rehired, he's more useful as a martyr, to whip up hatred against the left.

[marcus]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Don Cherry admits he should have used different w…:

Don Cherry says he should have said "everybody" instead of "you people".

That doesn't resolve the problem at all. Don Cherry continues to miss the point: 

"I live in Mississauga. Nobody wears a poppy there. Downtown Toronto, nobody wears a poppy. You people that come here ... you people ... you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that," Cherry said Saturday night. "These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price."

"You people that come here ..." 

THAT is the problem. His rant was directed at immigrants/visible minorities. While he's dancing around it, he's still not retracting his RACIST rant. 

He wants to pretend that he's blunt, forward and doesn't beat around the bush.

BS

Don Cherry is not admitting that he was singling out immigrants who he sees as not Canadian enough.

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by marcus

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Wow.

Those libelous accusations require explanation of how I am "racist" and how I support "violent extremists". 

As for age discrimination ... Don Cherry wasn't fired because of his age, but for his racism. It isn't his first offense either. If he had been 'retired' after earlier offenses, he wouldn't have had to be fired in shame. I am putting that responsibility on his employers because I feel they bear responsibility for that: They kept him on well past his level of competency to suck every dollar they could out of his popularity, until his incompetence ultimately shamed him. An employer who does that to an employee is a bloodsucking parasite. 

I've already pointed out your actual racist comments on this site, you had no rebuttal, and you know it. 

You're the one who said that he was 84 and it was time, or whatever exactly it was that you said.

[jacee]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I do think that if free speech isn’t more highly regarded and if Canadian traditions and icons like Cherry are dismissed to appease recent immigrants and media that can’t wait to pounce on any political incorrectness, it will be harder to justify holding Canada together as a country, especially if business interests see too many costs/regulations and the population feels overtaxed in the effort to pay off/appease special interests.   

This is quite a bizarre barrage of delusional catastrophizing. 

White supremacist reasoning is bizarre. Your axons and dendrites are clearly wired for helter skelter. Is that a childhood trauma thing or genetic? Perhaps some combination of both? A need to believe in your own superiority by chance of birth (whiteness) rather than by your own humanity or accomplishments ... because you feel inferior both in humanity and accomplishment, and therefore you rely only on your whiteness as an accomplishment? 

How very sad. 

Helter skelter is a need to create chaos for others, to perpetrate the danger, damage and chaos within you on others, those you choose to hate - eg, nonwhites and anti-racists - and those you wish to lead.  

?We won't be able to hold Canada together because ... 

"Canadian traditions and icons like Cherry are dismissed to appease recent immigrants", 

Many Canadians are not Don Cherry fans. In fact, many have been expecting him to go down in flames for a long time. 

"free speech isn't more highly regarded",

Everyone has free speech. We can speak back at racist idiots like Cherry. Free speech has consequences. 

"media ... pounce on any political incorrectness", 

Political correctness used to be called manners, being polite to people, behaving decently. It's how most parents teach kids to behave: Treat other people the way you want to be treated. 

It doesn't work with chaos addicts, because they are addicted to bringing chaos on themselves: It is their normal state and must be created when it does not exist. 

So to the psychologically and biologically chaotic, 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' means create chaos in others so they will visit it on you, giving you a reason for your internal chaos. 

"business interests see too many costs/regulations" and 

"the population feels overtaxed in effort to pay off/appease special interests".

Your wishes for chaos are expressed in delusional thinking.

While you may be able to frighten some vulnerable people into believing such nonsense, and into assisting you in bringing about the chaos you crave, it is not reality. 

There is still some truth in "Neurotics build castles in the sky. Psychotics live in them." And it is also true that chaotic personalities build sky-castles of chaos out of thin air, and frighten others into living in them.

It's a double-triple life you lead, what you really feel and think suppressed under an overlay of consciously projecting your internal chaos onto others, society and existence itself, in attempts to validate your own internal chaos. 

You're welcome.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

1 I've already pointed out your actual racist comments on this site, you had no rebuttal, and you know it. 

2 You're the one who said that he was 84 and it was time, or whatever exactly it was that you said.

1 I don't recall. Please link to support your libelous accusation. Who am I "racist" towards, for one.

2 I think I've clarified that above. Don Cherry was always a bombastic explosion waiting to happen, and for his employers not to deal with that effectively and earlier is on them. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by jacee

[Boges]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't want Don to be rehired, he's more useful as a martyr, to whip up hatred against the left.

Yes Rogers is a bastion of the Left 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, jacee said:

This is quite a bizarre barrage of delusional catastrophizing. 

White supremacist reasoning is bizarre. Your axons and dendrites are clearly wired for helter skelter. Is that a childhood trauma thing or genetic? Perhaps some combination of both? A need to believe in your own superiority by chance of birth (whiteness) rather than by your own humanity or accomplishments ... because you feel inferior both in humanity and accomplishment, and therefore you rely only on your whiteness as an accomplishment? 

How very sad. 

Helter skelter is a need to create chaos for others, to perpetrate the danger, damage and chaos within you on others, those you choose to hate - eg, nonwhites and anti-racists - and those you wish to lead.  

?We won't be able to hold Canada together because ... 

"Canadian traditions and icons like Cherry are dismissed to appease recent immigrants", 

Many Canadians are not Don Cherry fans. In fact, many have been expecting him to go down in flames for a long time. 

"free speech isn't more highly regarded",

Everyone has free speech. We can speak back at racist idiots like Cherry. Free speech has consequences. 

"media ... pounce on any political incorrectness", 

Political correctness used to be called manners, being polite to people, behaving decently. It's how most parents teach kids to behave: Treat other people the way you want to be treated. 

It doesn't work with chaos addicts, because they are addicted to bringing chaos on themselves: It is their normal state and must be created when it does not exist. 

So to the psychologically and biologically chaotic, 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' means create chaos in others so they will visit it on you, giving you a reason for your internal chaos. 

"business interests see too many costs/regulations" and 

"the population feels overtaxed in effort to pay off/appease special interests".

Your wishes for chaos are expressed in delusional thinking.

While you may be able to frighten some vulnerable people into believing such nonsense, and into assisting you in bringing about the chaos you crave, it is not reality. 

There is still some truth in "Neurotics build castles in the sky. Psychotics live in them." And it is also true that chaotic personalities build sky-castles of chaos out of thin air, and frighten others into living in them.

It's a double-triple life you lead, what you really feel and think suppressed under an overlay of consciously projecting your internal chaos onto others, society and existence itself, in attempts to validate your own internal chaos. 

You're welcome.

It's very clear through your leaps of logic that you can't handle the truth of my remarks.  Why do you think I'm white?  Clearly you haven't read my many commentaries on inner-city poverty, jerrymandering, and racist court practices, especially plea bargaining in many U.S. states.  You hear what you want to hear.

The truth is that Cherry is calling out a failure to respect the soldiers who fought to protect the peace we have today.  "You people" is a poor choice of words because, at worst, it's a reference to recent immigrants.  Is there anything wrong with ascribing some blame for the disrespect he sees towards vets to people who recently came to Canada?  Why is that wrong or racist?   He said that it isn't a matter of race or colour when he clarified that "you people" could be Scots, Irish, or English people as much as anyone else.  You hear what you want to hear.

My defense of Cherry rests in the fact that we are so fast to throw out a man who has become a central figure in a great Canadian tradition, Hockey Night in Canada.  He may not have all the current perfect "woke" graces, but clearly he has shown good graces and respect for many groups in the past.  He has also done great charity work.  The ageism on here is clear, especially from you.  I wonder how you would feel being put out to pasture. 

As for all your psychology jargon, you'd be surprised at how far modern medicine has progressed.  I'm sure you can find suitable meds to support your needs.

Also, you lost the right to invoke the Golden Rule in support of your arguments when you equated Christianity with homophobia   Remember that?  When you have finally extinguished all the heroes and cultural traditions in the name of your particular form of socially engineered politically correct puratinism, don’t ask for protection when the next generation of cultural revolutionaries decide that you’re no longer relevant and need to be sacrificed for the greater good   

Cherry’s dismissal on Remembrance Day is part of the same cultural wave that brought you euthanasia and campus speech shaming. More people think that Cherry shouldn’t have lost his job than those who think his comments warranted firing, but those voices are drowned out by the fringe   Canada is ruled by the special interest fringe.  Don’t worry Jacee, the people will continue to swallow your bs   We’re all trying to pay the bills and are scared to take up the cause of resisting in case we upset the puritans.

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Argus]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

Foreigners are Canadians. There's no random litmus test to gauge Canadiana. 

No. It's like art and porn. You know it when you see it.

7 hours ago, Boges said:

I feel more like a foreigner when I go up to Buttfuck nowhere in Cottage country than when I'm in the GTA. 

Maybe you just don't like Canadians born people.

[Argus]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Yet two sports where contact isn't allowed (Basketball and Soccer) are eating Hockey's lunch in popular support amongst young people today. 

Both very popular with immigrants, you mean, because they were popular in their HOME countries.

[Argus]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The goalies got much better, that's the biggest change.

The goalies put on a ton of padding so that they fill half the goal. That's the biggest change.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Yet two sports where contact isn't allowed (Basketball and Soccer) are eating Hockey's lunch in popular support amongst young people today. 

Actually soccer is a contact sport.  I believe basketball is not, but I don't watch it, so I'm not sure.

 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Yes Rogers is a bastion of the Left 

The mainstream media are ALL bastions of the Left.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

The goalies put on a ton of padding so that they fill half the goal. That's the biggest change.

I always wondered why they don't just pad up some 300 pound fat bastard and put him in goal.  Forwards would have to thread the eye of a needle to score and if he could see his way to move every now and then he could probably stop most of those.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, jacee said:

1 I don't recall. Please link to support your libelous accusation. Who am I "racist" towards, for one.

2 I think I've clarified that above. Don Cherry was always a bombastic explosion waiting to happen, and for his employers not to deal with that effectively and earlier is on them. 

The whole post doesn't show for some reason. Can't miss out on seeing your racist wishlist at the end again:

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I think you must know why you're wrong: The facts have been provided to you for 50 years now, that I recall. 

Give a bunch of white boss men a pile of resumes ... all the ones with foreign or female names end up in the trash pile. They hire white men like themselves. That's been proven over and over again. 

I can't believe that anybody is still pushing that outdated nonsense.

We are still nowhere near the balance we need to have of women in powerful positions, and those who make it still have to slog through some creepy mens' sh!t to get there.

But the tables will turn! 

That's racist (and sexist, but mostly racist).

[Teena]

If you have not already .... Petition to bring back Don Cherry

https://www.change.org/p/sportsnet-and-the-cbc-bring-back-don-cherry

[Army Guy]

On 11/13/2019 at 1:25 PM, jacee said:

Don Cherry admits he should have used different w…:

Don Cherry says he should have said "everybody" instead of "you people".

That doesn't resolve the problem at all. Don Cherry continues to miss the point: 

"I live in Mississauga. Nobody wears a poppy there. Downtown Toronto, nobody wears a poppy. You people that come here ... you people ... you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that," Cherry said Saturday night. "These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price."

"You people that come here ..." 

THAT is the problem. His rant was directed at immigrants/visible minorities. While he's dancing around it, he's still not retracting his RACIST rant. 

Yes , I've seen 2 media columns on this already, both have taken it as far as you have , they actually said it was directed towards brown people....I might not be the brightest bulb in the pack but how does you people translate into brown people....or as you have pointed out people of color....is there a liberal dictionary out there , or some secret handshake we need to know so we don't trigger any more snow flakes...