Doug Ford just isn't popular

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind, it's not that I have any reasons to complain, I have no sob story to give, I simply do my duty to warn the public as to the fiscal trajectory they are set upon,  if they decline to take the warning, that is of course their prerogative, but then I can and will simply wash my hands of it, can't save everybody, in the end, you can only really save yourself, and perhaps your immediate kin and neighbors,

Edited June 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[Shady]

6 hours ago, jacee said:

I assume by "free goodies" you mean programs for Autistic students? 

Or did you mean flood and fire prevention and damage amelioration? 

Is having a lawyer appointed when you have to go to court a "free goodie", or a Constitutional right? 

Define "free goodies"... because to most of us it seems that only Ford's rich business cronies are the ones getting "free goodies".

The rest of conservative Ontarians have abandoned him because he has abandoned his voters.

And his Conservative MPP's are on the verge of revolt. That's likely why he shut down the Legislature.

Everything that’s paid for through the borrowing of massive amounts of money, with no regard to the consequences.  More money is now required to just pay the interest on the debt.  That’s money that could be used for the things you mentioned.  Two provincial credit downgrades because of the reckless borrowing and spending.  That means the province is paying a higher interest rate on said debt, which again takes more money out of the general budget.  Money that could be used for the things you mentioned.  Governing by credit card isn’t responsible and isn’t sustainable, and results in cut backs when debt levels get out of hand.  Instead of putting blame on the party responsible for this fiscal mess, you’re blaming the only adult leftat queens park among the political parties trying to rectify this fiscal nightmare.  Did you know that Ontario is now the most indebted sub-sovereign (non country) borrower in the world?  FYI that’s not a good thing at all.  And people like you are to blame.

[Shady]

Btw, just for all you economic mouth-breathers out there.  Ontario pays $13 billion dollars each year on just interest on its debt.  Do you think that $13 billion dollars would be better spent on other things?  Health care, education, infrastructure, autism, poverty?  If so, get your heads out of your asses and stop voting for parties that borrow money to fund their promises.

[GostHacked]

11 hours ago, Shady said:

Btw, just for all you economic mouth-breathers out there.  Ontario pays $13 billion dollars each year on just interest on its debt.  Do you think that $13 billion dollars would be better spent on other things?  Health care, education, infrastructure, autism, poverty?  If so, get your heads out of your asses and stop voting for parties that borrow money to fund their promises.

Just like every other government that has come before it? Anyone see the trend yet? Why does this continue?

[Shady]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Just like every other government that has come before it? Anyone see the trend yet? Why does this continue?

Nope, not like every government before it.  The Harris government balanced the budge, paid down a lot of debt, and increased Ontario's credit rating.  But I agree that .t's too easy to borrow money and would strongly support a balanced budget law.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Shady

[GostHacked]

27 minutes ago, Shady said:

Nope, not like every government before it.  The Harris government balanced the budge, paid down a lot of debt, and increased Ontario's credit rating.  But I agree that .t's too easy to borrow money and would strongly support a balanced budget law.

Yes it is easy because that is passed on to taxpayers to put more money in. The government always spends more than it makes. If the government was able to cut the waste out  ( I will use Ottawa's LRT that is 1.5 B over budget as an example thanks to government sanctions corruption from SNC-Lavalin) , they could also balance the budget and have a good deal to spare. 

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/03/04/ford-tories-give-new-committee-chair-67-raise-over-liberal-predecessor/

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TORONTO — The person tasked with finding millions in government savings started his job with the Ford government with a hefty pay hike.

iPolitics has learned that the government’s new chair of the internal corporate audit committee, Charles-Antoine St-Jean, was given a 67 per cent pay boost over Kevin Costante who served in the role under the former Liberal government.

St-Jean is earning $2,500 per day compared to the $1,500 per day that Costante was earning in the role, according to Treasury Board spokesperson Beata Carissa.

 

[taxme]

On 6/21/2019 at 3:00 PM, Boges said:

You recycle because you'd prefer the city you live in re-purpose your trash and not have to store it in the ground or burn it. It's not a Liberal or Conservative concept. 

Regarding the Recycling of Alcohol bottles or cans. You pay a deposit on those bottles when you buy them to encourage you to return them for that money back. You store them in your basement then return them for a "discount" on a case of beer in the future. 

If more people treated recycling like you did, you could see a situation where governments would add a surcharge to your bottle of strawberry jam just to encourage you to return it for the money back. 

Don't give any more ideas to those leftist liberal socialist greenie fools. All they need is for people like you to suggest such a thing and they will try to tax it. It could very well happen one day here in Canada where every thing that we buy wrapped or bottled or canned in something will be taxed. Hey, you never know, eh? 

Edited June 25, 2019 by taxme

[taxme]

On 6/24/2019 at 5:24 AM, GostHacked said:

Just like every other government that has come before it? Anyone see the trend yet? Why does this continue?

I think Ford has been trying hard to try and save the taxpayer's tax dollars with some of his many cuts which he has made so far. Saved some people and business plenty of money. It will be the job of the liberal greenie commies now in Ontario to start crying and whining about what Ford is doing because that is what they do best. Trump knows all to well about those commie crybaby types. Those crybabies have never solved a real problem in their lives. They just help in creating more problems. They do enjoy pushing diversity which creates more hatred. The Wynne government was running an Ontario government style hot dog stand and look how that hot dog stand just about went bankrupt. They had to stop buying relish for their dogs to stay alive. LOL.  

[taxme]

On 6/24/2019 at 10:05 AM, Shady said:

Nope, not like every government before it.  The Harris government balanced the budge, paid down a lot of debt, and increased Ontario's credit rating.  But I agree that .t's too easy to borrow money and would strongly support a balanced budget law.

What we the people need to do is to stop our dear leaders from borrowing more money for programs and agendas that will be of no good to anyone. We the people have given politicians the right to borrow money with interest without having those dear leaders explaining as to why and what they need to borrow this money for. There is a need for some kind of protection from politicians who like to take our tax dollars and blow them willy-nilly without our knowledge and input. I believe that Ford is trying to save the taxpayer's their tax dollars.

There have been plenty of programs and agendas that have been created and implemented by our dear leaders that have not done a bloody thing that was good and great for anyone except maybe for some special interest minority whiny groups who keep costing the taxpayer plenty of tax dollars for their pet programs and agendas that the majority never asked for nor needed. It just made some politicians feel like they have done something noble and right. Our politicians appear to want to appease minorities all the time and it's to hell with the majority having a say. I hope that Ford is not a minority butt kisser. It si the butts of the majority that he should be kissing if he wants to win the next election. 

There is no way a budget can be balanced when we allow our dear leaders to keep spending our tax dollars without our consent. Yes, there are some programs that can be done without the people's need to get involved but there are plenty of other programs that need voting or approval on by we the people taxpayer's. My opinion. 

[jacee]

On 6/24/2019 at 1:05 PM, Shady said:

Nope, not like every government before it.  The Harris government balanced the budge, paid down a lot of debt, and increased Ontario's credit rating.  

Not so clear ...  

Under the Progressive Conservative government of Premier Mike Harris the debt increased from $90.7 billion in 1994-1995 to $132.6 billion in 2002-2003, even while cutting services and downloading formerly provincially-run services onto the municipalities.

Where did the money go? $42b debt increase, while cutting and slashing services. Where did the money go? Oh ya ... 

Provincial income taxes were cut by 30% to pre-1990 levels. 

... benefiting mostly Harris' wealthy supporters, while public services were cut to the bone. 

The real per capita debt increased under the first Harris term from 1995-1999, even though this was a period of strong economic growth and the government infamously slashed its way through public expenditures.

Under the second Harris/Eves term from 1999-2003, the debt declined slightly and then flattened, during a time when the government was trying to course-correct from its first-term unsustainable cuts by backfilling some public spending.

Doug Ford's cuts are likewise unsustainable, and his 'savings' are  likewise smoke and mirrors. 

It has been estimated that every $1 spent in housing and support services saves $7 in future health, policing, institutional and other costs. 

If an autistic child gets appropriate intensive therapy at an early age and learns to use words for his needs instead of violence, it will save us money in the long run. 

Doug Ford's 'savings' are false, just causing greater expenditures in the future, kicking the can down the road to the next Liberal government ... that then has to restore programs to effective levels. 

Harris, Ford and other anti-intellectual Conservatives who disparage and defund the work of professionals in the Human Sciences have a short-sighted approach that is not sustainable and increases future costs. 

It's like hiring cheap, unskilled  help to print labels, 60% of which are defective and have to be done twice - false savings that are not actually savings but costs. 

[Zeitgeist]

54 minutes ago, jacee said:

Not so clear ...  

Under the Progressive Conservative government of Premier Mike Harris the debt increased from $90.7 billion in 1994-1995 to $132.6 billion in 2002-2003, even while cutting services and downloading formerly provincially-run services onto the municipalities.

Where did the money go? $42b debt increase, while cutting and slashing services. Where did the money go? Oh ya ... 

Provincial income taxes were cut by 30% to pre-1990 levels. 

... benefiting mostly Harris' wealthy supporters, while public services were cut to the bone. 

The real per capita debt increased under the first Harris term from 1995-1999, even though this was a period of strong economic growth and the government infamously slashed its way through public expenditures.

Under the second Harris/Eves term from 1999-2003, the debt declined slightly and then flattened, during a time when the government was trying to course-correct from its first-term unsustainable cuts by backfilling some public spending.

Doug Ford's cuts are likewise unsustainable, and his 'savings' are  likewise smoke and mirrors. 

It has been estimated that every $1 spent in housing and support services saves $7 in future health, policing, institutional and other costs. 

If an autistic child gets appropriate intensive therapy at an early age and learns to use words for his needs instead of violence, it will save us money in the long run. 

Doug Ford's 'savings' are false, just causing greater expenditures in the future, kicking the can down the road to the next Liberal government ... that then has to restore programs to effective levels. 

Harris, Ford and other anti-intellectual Conservatives who disparage and defund the work of professionals in the Human Sciences have a short-sighted approach that is not sustainable and increases future costs. 

It's like hiring cheap, unskilled  help to print labels, 60% of which are defective and have to be done twice - false savings that are not actually savings but costs. 

I mostly agree with you, except that when a government has gotten into a long-term pattern of overspending and so much revenue goes to servicing the debt, it’s important to do some paring to correct course for more sustainable growth.  Slashing the autism service agencies is one of the most irresponsible acts I’ve seen in Ontario.  These children are vulnerable and their parents are overwhelmed.  Really dumb and on that alone he won’t get my vote.  I’m not sure why he touched the tree planting program. Ontario was also well positioned to tackle climate change through a cap and trade program that would have been less onerous than Trudeau’s carbon tax.  The Ontario Liberals accomplished a lot on the environment, especially by closing coal generating stations; in education and child care, through full day Kindergarten, the primary cap, and investments in higher education infrastructure; and health, through infrastructure and increased coverages for drugs, children, and seniors.  They also had the eHealth, ORNGE, and gas plant cancellation scandals.  They became pushy on sex ed and lifestyle liberalization, which alienated immigrants and centrists.  They also left a mountain of debt.  Basically they became too activist and big.  Ford is doing some necessary cutting, but I don’t see much upside.  If he gets the Ontario Line built in Toronto and GO RER up and running, those will be bright spots.  

[taxme]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Not so clear ...  

Under the Progressive Conservative government of Premier Mike Harris the debt increased from $90.7 billion in 1994-1995 to $132.6 billion in 2002-2003, even while cutting services and downloading formerly provincially-run services onto the municipalities.

Where did the money go? $42b debt increase, while cutting and slashing services. Where did the money go? Oh ya ... 

Provincial income taxes were cut by 30% to pre-1990 levels. 

... benefiting mostly Harris' wealthy supporters, while public services were cut to the bone. 

The real per capita debt increased under the first Harris term from 1995-1999, even though this was a period of strong economic growth and the government infamously slashed its way through public expenditures.

Under the second Harris/Eves term from 1999-2003, the debt declined slightly and then flattened, during a time when the government was trying to course-correct from its first-term unsustainable cuts by backfilling some public spending.

Doug Ford's cuts are likewise unsustainable, and his 'savings' are  likewise smoke and mirrors. 

It has been estimated that every $1 spent in housing and support services saves $7 in future health, policing, institutional and other costs. 

If an autistic child gets appropriate intensive therapy at an early age and learns to use words for his needs instead of violence, it will save us money in the long run. 

Doug Ford's 'savings' are false, just causing greater expenditures in the future, kicking the can down the road to the next Liberal government ... that then has to restore programs to effective levels. 

Harris, Ford and other anti-intellectual Conservatives who disparage and defund the work of professionals in the Human Sciences have a short-sighted approach that is not sustainable and increases future costs. 

It's like hiring cheap, unskilled  help to print labels, 60% of which are defective and have to be done twice - false savings that are not actually savings but costs. 

What can we expect from Ford when he is constantly attacked and mocked by the leftist liberal/socialist/communists in the leftist Pravda media and the leftist supporters of those radical leftist political party's in Ontario who will attack Ford at every turn. They will make it as hard as possible to try and stop Ford from trying to fulfill his promises to try and make Ontario great again. You whine about Ford and his possible spending habits but you say not a word about commie Wynne who also helped to put Ontario into it's massive debt. The commies never get blamed for the debt that they put Ontario in. It is only the conservatives who are to blame for Ontario's debt. You need to wait and see if Ford can downsize the debt.

Ford reminds me of what the commies did to Trump? As soon as Trump got into office he was attacked and mocked before he could do anything. Trump and Ford are now the enemy of we the people and they must be attacked and removed from office as soon as possible. Canada is not under attack from conservatism but it is truly under attack from the communists who have pretty much taken over Canada. Our Canadian media has now been taken over by the Trudeau communist government who truly does not believe in freedom of speech, but despises freedom of speech.

When the Russian people fought for and got rid of the Czar back in 1917 they thought that they got their freedom back. But instead they were all duped into believing that communism would be great for them all. They found out years later that communism was worse than the Czar. They supported and fought for their loss of freedom just like the fools who support liberalism and socialism today in Canada. They do not realize that one day they could find out and be told to shut up or else. When anyone denies another person to their right to their freedom of speech eventually they may lose that right also. Without the right to freedom of speech we all then just end up becoming slaves to a communist government. Trudeau has shown us all now where he stands on freedom of speech. He wants to deny and control conservatives their right to their freedom of speech.A very dangerous communist he is. 

[Michael Hardner]

Wait, is Ford the Communists or the Tzar ? 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Wait, is Ford the Communists or the Tzar ? 

Neither. Ford is a conservative and not a communist. Ford is far from being considered a Czar/Tzar or communist. Maybe you are a communist? Hey, we never know, eh?   

[jacee]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

They do not realize that one day they could find out and be told to shut up or else

Hunh?

You lost me there. L

Without the right to freedom of speech we all then just end up becoming slaves to a communist government. Trudeau has shown us all now where he stands on freedom of speech. He wants to deny and control conservatives their right to their freedom of speech. A very dangerous communist he is.

Alt-right try to protect freedom to incite hatred, and they do violence. 

NO HATE IN PUBLIC SPACES. 

Violent haters can get a fucking room and beat each other up. Lol 

 

[taxme]

17 hours ago, jacee said:

Hunh?

You lost me there. L

 

 

Alt-right try to protect freedom to incite hatred, and they do violence. 

NO HATE IN PUBLIC SPACES. 

Violent haters can get a fucking room and beat each other up. Lol 

 

1. When the people of Russia back at the time of the Bolshevik revolution demanded and rioted and fought to get rid of one dictator, the Czar/Tzar, they went and put in another dictator. They went from a fairly reasonable free speech dictator to a communist dictator called Lenin and their lives became a life of communistic hell after that. Those people that fight for communism and for their rights and freedoms found out later that communism does not believe in rights and freedom of speech at all. They fought to give up whatever little precious freedom they had left. Those supporting and fighting against others right to their freedom of speech and be censored may one day end up voting for some political party that may just end up taking their rights and freedoms away. The Antifa thugs are a prime example of stupid people. They do not realize that they are being used as cannon fodder. Once the likes of G. Soros and his merry band of globalist communists take over, if that does happen one day, those Antifa thugs will be of no use to globalist Soros anymore and they will be tossed aside and may be used as cannon fodder themselves. That is how communism treats it's fools who support the likes of Soros. Sadly, there are so many fools out there who are supporting the end of their own freedoms and others also. 

2. A really not so bright reply. The leftist communists like Antifa in Canada are always trying to shut down conservatives from speaking and Antifa do commit plenty of hatred and violence towards conservatives all the time in Canada. When haters like Antifa fascists demonstrate they are trying to promote hatred towards anyone whom they do not agree with. I would prefer to see those Antifa fascists scum put in a fking room and knock each other off. Those violent haters serve no purpose in life except to make constant asses of themselves and create plenty of violent protests. Obviously, you live in a world of make believe bs that conservatives are the problem. Get for real, will you. 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid thread derailment syndrome. 

[jacee]

On 7/2/2019 at 2:20 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Slashing the autism service agencies is one of the most irresponsible acts I’ve seen in Ontario.  These children are vulnerable and their parents are overwhelmed.  Really dumb and on that alone he won’t get my vote

But he budgets $30M to lose the carbon tax court battles. 

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/07/03/doug-fords-30-million-carbon-tax-fight-is-money-down-the-drain-but-it-keeps-his-brand-afloat.html

Edited July 7, 2019 by jacee

[taxme]

On 6/20/2019 at 3:59 PM, OftenWrong said:

The man was given a majority premiership of the top province in Canada with no political platform, no track record, and no relevant experience. It makes a mockery of democracy.
As far as complaining now goes, Ontarians have exactly the government they voted for and deserve.

They said the same thing about Trump. So far it would appear as though Trump is trying to restore democracy in America something the demonuts tried to destroy. The knives are out for Ford because he is a conservative. Communist Wynne was a bloody disaster for Ontario but the leftist liberal socialist lying media did not give a chit. She was their darling and could do no wrong. Just put the Ontario taxpayer's billions more in debt. Some dumb azz Canadians think and believe that liberals/socialists care about them. Bull chit. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

More trouble for Mr. Ford:

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calls-grow-for-ontario-sport-minister-to-resign-over-alleged-vulgar-and-profane-attack-1.4495515

 

[taxme]

On 6/21/2019 at 12:41 PM, Boges said:

The Beer decisions are the correct ones. It should be sold in corner stores like in most of the rest of the world. 

The Beer Store sucks. And the Recycling program should be expanded to more than just the beer store. It's actually the only reason to ever go to a Beer Store. 

It's a shame that the crappy contract the Liberals signed is now being used as a weapon against the Conservatives. This is the 407 sell off in reverse. 

As for DoFos poll numbers. Dude is a putz and I'm not happy he's leading the PCs. I'm happy the Liberals are out, but a leader like Patrick Brown would have been much better, but he didn't appeal to the far right of the party. 

Conservatives in Canada have a similar problem to Liberals in the US. They occupy such a broad scope that it's tough to fit under the same tent. 

I can go to the city of Blaine, Wash. on the border of White Rock, BC and I can buy booze in grocery stores, drug stores, gas stations, small grocery stores and big stores like Walmart and Costco. All is working well and alcohol is easily and readily available just about everywhere one goes in Washington. Contrast that to BC where the only place one can buy alcohol is from a government liquor store or a pub. The law finally changed in BC years ago where stores like Safeway for instance are allowed to sell booze but Safeway and all other big grocery stores must be at least one mile away from a government liquor store. In other words BC is still trying to hang onto it's archaic liquor laws. Off topic but I just wanted to throw this in. 

[taxme]

On 6/22/2019 at 6:58 AM, Shady said:

I wouldn’t expect Doug Ford to be popular.  It’s never popular to be the adult and cut up the maxed out credit cards.  It’s easier and more popular to be the big spending Santa Claus type.  Where you “give” people all kinds of “free” goodies.

When a conservative like Ford tries to do the right thing by trying to get the government off the people's back and stop the wasting of tax dollars on stupid liberal/socialist programs and agendas they will always be attacked for being a bunch of conservative meanies. The Ontario credit card is just about maxed out. It is time now to pay the money owed on that card off as quickly as possible. The interest on that credit card is huge. Interest that could be better used for more needed programs like spending money on education and health care in Ontario and not on promoting and spending hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year on sexual perversions, illegal refugees and constantly kiss assing every special interest minority groups who really never have anything to offer except more debt, more taxes, and more government. Ford is the man for Ontario. It is time for everyone to learn that it is time to bite the conservative bullet and start living within it's own means. The less spending that a province does means less debt and more money left in we the people's pockets. Just saying. 

[Michael Hardner]

People dislike Ford.  He's still deficit spending.  He has no idea how to manage.  He hires cronies.  He cuts important programs that people need.

He's a loser and he's bringing down Scheer too.  I can't wait until this shitty cohort of moron conservatives gets bored and goes back to watching wrestling so we can get some great conservatives back again.

[taxme]

On 7/5/2019 at 8:45 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

More trouble for Mr. Ford:

 

Let's get real here. If someone in Wynne's cabinet had done the same thing an apology would have been accepted and all would be forgiven and forgotten. But when a conservative says something not so nice to someone well the alt-left liberal media go bonkers and will demand that they must resign. No forgive and forget. I say to Ford keep Lisa around. After all, she and the conservative party are not well liked by the lefties in Ontario and the leftist liberal media anyway and what a better way to just give them all the finger and just say all is forgiven and forgotten, Lisa. I believe that she already did apologize. It''s over. The problem that Ford has to deal with every day by the lefties in Ontario is that he has to deal with a bunch of leftist liberal and socialist sore crybaby losers. Screw them, I say. Let the babies go cry in the corner somewhere. Just saying with glee.  

 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

People dislike Ford.  He's still deficit spending.  He has no idea how to manage.  He hires cronies.  He cuts important programs that people need.

He's a loser and he's bringing down Scheer too.  I can't wait until this shitty cohort of moron conservatives gets bored and goes back to watching wrestling so we can get some great conservatives back again.

People disliked Wynne immensely. The last Ontario election showed us all that. She put Ontario into a deeper debt when she got her grubby hands on the tax dollars of the Ontario people's tax dollars. Did she care as to what she was going to do with their tax dollars? NOPE. Wynne had no idea how to manage money either and it obviously showed. Wynne hired cronies also. So, what's your point? She stole tax dollars from the taxpayer's for programs that the taxpayer's never asked for like promoting and forcing sick sexual perversions on innocent children in schools. Did the taxpayer's of Ontario ask for her to do that? NOPE. 

Wynne was a bigger loser. She lost the election to a conservative party. Lol. Bull chit if you think that what Ford says and does will maybe bring down Scheer. The only one that will bring down the federal conservative party is Scheer himself because the guy is not a real and true conservative. He is a liberal dressed up in conservative clothing. 

I can't wait for the day when this shitty moronic commie liberal Trudeau gets booted out of power. The fool is boring and crazy in the friggin' head. The only real and true conservative out there left is Maxine Bernier of the People's Party of Canada. Bernier is a great conservative and you should be happy to have him win the election. But there will be no doubt that you will soon find something to attack and mock Bernier on because you have no idea what a real and true conservative looks or talks like. Your attacking Ford tells me all of that. Boo-hoo.