Argus Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 1) Trump is in his first term. I'm fairly sure even you managed to figure out I meant his first two years. 23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 2) FYI the sections of wall that already exist are in the most important areas, and replacing ineffective walls in key areas was far more important that building walls in areas where none existed. Over 300 miles so far. Uh huh. Only uh, here's the thing. Not to be picky or anything, but he's not building a wall. He's just building another fence, and a fence which people have already demonstrated can be both cut through and climbed. But never mind, what I said still stands. He did nothing his first two years, and after that stole money from the military it needed in order to try and build at least some of his 'fence'. 23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 3) Jobs: https://investorplace.com/2017/01/10-companies-bringing-jobs-back-to-america/ it took me ten seconds to find this. FYI, when you make a serious accusation against someone, like saying that they're a liar, make sure you're right. For example, this is proof that you're a liar. Did you even read that? Or did you but you're too dumb to understand it? Trump once famously said "I love the uneducated. I gather he was talking about you. All that cite was about was companies announcing hiring plans. None of them were bringing jobs back from elsewhere. Certainly not from China. 23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I never said that every single one of Trump's promises was 100% fulfilled, He has basically ignored all the important ones or just made mouth noises about them. He has made life great for bankers and wall street brokers but hasn't done a damned thing for joe blue-collar. And meanwhile he's driven the debt up into the stratosphere - even before covid. 23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Getting rid of Islamic State in 3 months was a big one. It's still there, for all the hard efforts the Russians and Syrians have made. Trump's only contribution was pulling back US troops. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Go here for the map legend of how much of what part of the wall is under construction or has been completed: https://www.trumpwall.construction/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/18/donald-trump-border-wall-nears-300-mile-mark/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not for manufacturing...Trump did far better. Not really. The jobs in manufacturing are in things like pharmaceuticals, semiconductors and computers. They're knowledge jobs requiring education and are in the sun belt near big cities, for the most part. The people who voted for Trump in the rust belt are still dying from fentanyl and hopelessness. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/economy/manufacturing-jobs/index.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Not really. The jobs in manufacturing are in things like pharmaceuticals, semiconductors and computers. They're knowledge jobs requiring education and are in the sun belt near big cities, for the most part. The people who voted for Trump in the rust belt are still dying from fentanyl and hopelessness. Yes really....Trump's policies (and legislation) by Congress sparked more growth in the manufacturing and other sectors. U.S. unemployment numbers reached 40 year lows for many demographic groups. The U.S. economy is also recovering faster than Canada's or the EU. But none of those facts matter to you...because you really really really hate Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The whole Russian collusion fiasco was a LIE. What did they lie about? They reported on information given them. It suggested some kind of cooperation between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. Certainly the behaviour of Stone suggests there was some, but he wouldn't talk and Trump pardoned him. It's not like the media made it all up. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: They straight-up lied about Trump's phone conversation with Zelensky too. They reported on what his own appointed ambassador heard. If you choose to believe the guy who donated a million bucks to Trump's campaign was a liar that's your choice. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Nick Sandman made good coin off of CNN because of their indifference for truth and accuracy. You don't seem to understand the difference between a lie - ie, an untruth you knowingly utter, as Trump does many times a day - and a dumb mistake. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The whole Dr Ford story was a lie - there was no reason to take that woman seriously, there were many serious reasons to completely discredit her, but CNN loudly promoted her as a legitimate victim. They simply reported what she said. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: They portray terrorist attacks in vans as 'gun control' stories. Same with the Pulse nightclub shooting, which featured a gun that was illegal in the US since before Omar Mateen was born. Gun control is certainly a part of it. The terrorists in places like New York and New Jersey seem to have a hard time getting ahold of guns. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: CNN constantly says that "America's biggest terrorist threat is right-wing terror groups". Really? There are terrorists running around the US every day for the last few months, and they're all taking their marching orders from the Democrats. I despise ANTIFA and BLM and their ignorance, stupidity and violence, but they're not terrorists (though I can easily seeing elements of them turning into terrorism). There are, meanwhile, a lot of redneck crackers out there willing to kill and die because they don't believe the government is legitimate. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: CNN calls riots with arson, murder, looting and the beatings of innocent bystanders 'mostly peaceful'. Or at least they did 'til they figured out that was hurting Biden in the polls, now they're "mostly Trump's fault". They forgot that all of this started in 2014 and went on for almost 3 years before Obama was finally exorcized from the WH. As I said, they willingly slant stories to suit their narrative. I even started a topic on that. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: They lied about Rayshard Brooks constantly. He wasn't running away, he had just shot a taser at a cop when he got shot and that's the same as shooting a gun in Georgia law. I have no sympathy for Brooks but the video clearly showed him running away - and shooting a tazer back. I think the police shooting - like most police shootings - was justified. 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You can't find a major news story in the past 4 years that CNN did not LIE about. This from a guy who believes FOX is honest. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes really....Trump's policies (and legislation) by Congress sparked more growth in the manufacturing and other sectors. U.S. unemployment numbers reached 40 year lows for many demographic groups. The economy was certainly booming on all that massive spending and borrowed money for tax cuts. But none of that was Trump's doing. He's a talking dog that McConnel trots out to sign things for him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Argus said: The economy was certainly booming on all that massive spending and borrowed money for tax cuts. But none of that was Trump's doing. He's a talking dog that McConnel trots out to sign things for him. No tax cuts without Trump....the president has to sign the law. No NAFTA 2.0 without Trump. No executive orders changing industry regulation without Trump. No tariffs to stop dumping and transshipments from Canada and other nations without Trump. If Trump didn't matter, then Canada wouldn't spend so much time worrying about him. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 Everyone can see Biden’s decline. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Argus said: I'm fairly sure even you managed to figure out I meant his first two years. I noticed that you don't know wtf you're talking about. Quote Uh huh. Only uh, here's the thing. Not to be picky or anything, but he's not building a wall. He's just building another fence, and a fence which people have already demonstrated can be both cut through and climbed. But never mind, what I said still stands. He did nothing his first two years, and after that stole money from the military it needed in order to try and build at least some of his 'fence'. Riiight, it's fence Argus, because walls are racist as per your dear leaders. Quote Did you even read that? Or did you but you're too dumb to understand it? Trump once famously said "I love the uneducated. I gather he was talking about you. All that cite was about was companies announcing hiring plans. None of them were bringing jobs back from elsewhere. Certainly not from China. Read this slowly, and tell me what you think it means. Quote Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F) had been planning to build a $1.6 billion factory in Mexico. Instead, the company announced it was cancelling the Mexican car factory and added that it would invest $700 million to expand its Flat Rock Michigan factory. The money will go toward manufacturing high-tech electric, hybrid and autonomous cars and adds 700 U.S. jobs. Clearly, that doesn't mean what you think it means Argus. Clearly you have no idea what this kind of thing means so I'll tell you. 700 jobs at Ford is enough to support 700 families. And then there are the spin-off jobs in the community. In fact, 700 Ford jobs is enough to create a large town. Quote He has basically ignored all the important ones or just made mouth noises about them. He has made life great for bankers and wall street brokers but hasn't done a damned thing for joe blue-collar. And meanwhile he's driven the debt up into the stratosphere - even before covid. Under Trump, in just 3 years, the avg take-home of blue collar workers is up by $5,000 - $6,000/yr depending on where you look. In 16 years of Obama and GWB that total was only $1,500. So yeah, there's the whole 'fact' thing. Quote It's still there, for all the hard efforts the Russians and Syrians have made. Trump's only contribution was pulling back US troops. You know I have the internet, right? Everyone who comes here does. We all have access to the facts. Do you need a cite to prove how stupid your claim was, or do you want to walk it back? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Argus said: What did they lie about? They reported on information given them. It suggested some kind of cooperation between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. Certainly the behaviour of Stone suggests there was some, but he wouldn't talk and Trump pardoned him. It's not like the media made it all up. They reported on what his own appointed ambassador heard. If you choose to believe the guy who donated a million bucks to Trump's campaign was a liar that's your choice. You don't seem to understand the difference between a lie - ie, an untruth you knowingly utter, as Trump does many times a day - and a dumb mistake. They simply reported what she said. Gun control is certainly a part of it. The terrorists in places like New York and New Jersey seem to have a hard time getting ahold of guns. I despise ANTIFA and BLM and their ignorance, stupidity and violence, but they're not terrorists (though I can easily seeing elements of them turning into terrorism). There are, meanwhile, a lot of redneck crackers out there willing to kill and die because they don't believe the government is legitimate. As I said, they willingly slant stories to suit their narrative. I even started a topic on that. I have no sympathy for Brooks but the video clearly showed him running away - and shooting a tazer back. I think the police shooting - like most police shootings - was justified. This from a guy who believes FOX is honest. Literally everything you just said was incredibly stupid. 1) They lied about exactlu what I said they lied about. Read the f'n post again, there's a partial list of their lies there. 2) They reported on the transcripts. The transcripts were right there for them to read from when they were telling those lies. They just relied on the unfathomable stupidity of their viewers to lack the reading comprehension to figure that out. It worked on at least person lol. 3) They lied. Even the clip they had didn't show Sandman taunting anyone. No one taunts someone else by putting their face in front of a drum that being banged. Get a grip. 4) No they didn't simply report what she said, you're lying for them now. That's pathetic, but that's par for the course for CNN viewers. 5) Gun control is not a part of it lol, you just lied again. A tad of advice, it's better to just be wrong and let it go than to be a pathetic liar. The top hit on Google for gun crimes in NYC last year: Quote Gun Violence: New York's Own Problem - The New York Times www.nytimes.com › New York › New York Today Aug 6, 2019 - How many shootings are there in New York City? As of July 28, 521 people had been shot this year in New York City, in 441 shooting Can you tell me again about the gun shortage in NYC? LMAO. 6) If you despise Antifa and BLM then you should despise the party of legitimizing Antifa and BLM. FYI rioting, murdering and beating people for political gain actually is the definition of terrorism. They have killed people just for supporting Trump, more than once. They've killed people for saying "All lives matter." They're terrorists. Cite me a whole bunch of right-wing terrorist attacks now Argus, show me how dangerous these guys are. Liar. 7) They don't slant. They lie. I named plenty of their lies. I even gave you the opportunity to name a story that they didn't lie about. If they're not liars, that should be easy. 8) Fox is honest. I have absolutely no qualms about saying that. If you want to make me look stupid, and you think Fox News is a bunch of liars, then it should be easy for you to catch them lying [and that doesn't include their leftist counter-point people like Juan Williams]. Pick from Brett Baier, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Greg Gutfeld, Jesse Watters, Dana Perrino, Dan Bongino, Emily Compagno, etc. That's lots. On Fox, even when Sean Hannity says things that seem crazy at the time, like McCabe is about to be fired, or members of the FBI lied to the FISA court to obtain warrants to spy on Trump's team, Hannity has been proven correct. If you recall I made the claim that 'FBI members lied to the FISA court' on this site many times. People asked "why has no one been charged yet". Then the AG report came out that said that teh FBI made '17 significant errors and omissions' in their reports to the FISA courts, still no charges came. Finally this August, Kevin Clinesmith pleaded guilty to lying to the FISA court in order to get FISA Warrant renewals. He's the fall guy for the Dems, but it's not all one guy. He wasn't even the person gathering the evidence, he was just a lawyer. That means that there were people who gathered all the evidence [actually failed to gather any evidence] who also knew he was lying. The Russian collusion farce was an epic scandal. Easily the biggest scandal in the history of US politics. CNN, Schiff, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Clinton, Biden etc actually are a human swamp. They're just 'too big to fail'. The whole US political system would be in upheaval if true justice came to DC. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
DogOnPorch Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 Commies are gonna lose...here's why. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Commies are gonna lose... Sure hope so because they're already standing at the gate. It's my opinion that leftism has extended beyond a place where it is good and useful, and I hope that ordinary folks, many of whom are not the highly analytical type, will sense this anyway. As long as there are sensible people who work hard to get the truth out. My son tells me he and his friends are very worried there will be a revolution in the USA, coup perhaps. The road to 2020 paved with fear. I tell him it's heavily overblown BS, shut off the news. And go outside for a while, goddamnit. I mean for at least 2 hours. But I digress.. Quote
OftenWrong Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 Trump's nomination for Nobel peace prize is quite timely. Sure, the leftists will say, Trump has paid this guy somehow to do this, he will be rewarded for nominating Trump. Or maybe, Norway will be rewarded with a sweet deal. Or the guy who nominated him is another Geert Wildders, etc. Yet it does bring the conversation back to the issue of Trump, and America and war. That should be an interesting one. 1 Quote
Shady Posted September 9, 2020 Report Posted September 9, 2020 Dems are in panic mode in Florida. ‘What do we do?’: Trump gains rattle Miami Dems https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/08/trump-miami-florida-support-410362 Quote
Argus Posted September 10, 2020 Report Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) On 9/9/2020 at 1:13 AM, WestCanMan said: You know I have the internet, right? Everyone who comes here does. We all have access to the facts. Do you need a cite to prove how stupid your claim was, or do you want to walk it back? The problem with arguing 'facts' with members of the Trump cult is that you prefer 'alternative facts' which have no resemblance to reality. It's like talking to 911 truthers - which most of you are, as well. Nothing could ever convince you your glorious new God figure isn't a fraud, a phony and a fool who laughs at your ignorance in believing him. The most revealing moment in Trump's political history was that "I love the poorly educated!' statement. Otherwise known as 'suckers'. Edited September 10, 2020 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCanMan Posted September 10, 2020 Report Posted September 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Argus said: The problem with arguing 'facts' with members of the Trump cult is that you prefer 'alternative facts' which have no resemblance to reality. It's like talking to 911 truthers - which most of you are, as well. Nothing could ever convince you your glorious new God figure isn't a fraud, a phony and a fool who laughs at your ignorance in believing him. The most revealing moment in Trump's political history was that "I love the poorly educated!' statement. Otherwise known as 'suckers'. You have no facts Argus. None. Almost everything you said is pure bullshit so now you're stuck throwing sandbox insults around like a typical liberal. You're no better than a Trudeau sycophant. You gobble up what the MSM tells you and even when can't possibly escape the fact that you got lied to, you still eat the next round of crap. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted September 10, 2020 Report Posted September 10, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 7:44 AM, Shady said: Dems are in panic mode in Florida. ‘What do we do?’: Trump gains rattle Miami Dems https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/08/trump-miami-florida-support-410362 I love the fact that latinos still like Trump, even after CNN tells them blatant lies like "Trump referred to 'immigrants' as animals", and CNN lets AOC say things like "thay forsd wimmin to jrink owt of thuh toylit!" without fact-checking her. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Shady Posted September 11, 2020 Report Posted September 11, 2020 Biden campaign won’t deny the use of teleprompters during live interviews and Q & A! Quote
-TSS- Posted September 11, 2020 Report Posted September 11, 2020 Biden is like some grandpa who has been dragged from a senior citizens home and has been given a microphone and told to repeat what he can read on the teleprompter but told to say nothing else. 1 Quote
Boges Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 I like how a 2% polling lead in Florida is a time to panic. But Biden's lead across the Rust-Belt and in Arizona is just faulty polling. Biden's path to re-election involves simply taking Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin back. All states he has comfortable leads in. He also has leads in Florida, Arizona and North Carolina. Trump has to keep the three rust belt states as well as keeping Arizona, Florida and North Carolina. Pundits on Bill Maher last night opined that all this hand-wringing about tightening race are just efforts to keep the race more interesting. If the candidate was anyone other than Trump, he'd have been written off long ago. But because Trump won a few states by the most narrow of margins, it's seen that he has an advantage in states he's pretty much never led Biden in? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Boges said: 1. Pundits on Bill Maher last night opined that all this hand-wringing about tightening race are just efforts to keep the race more interesting. 2. If the candidate was anyone other than Trump, he'd have been written off long ago. But because Trump won a few states by the most narrow of margins, it's seen that he has an advantage in states he's pretty much never led Biden in? 1. Yes, that and that in 2016 there were uncovered undecideds that resulted in an upset, and it makes people think the polls are ... wrong. They sure haven't changed much. 2. The question in many peoples' minds is whether there are systemic problems with polling that haven't been uncovered. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Boges said: I like how a 2% polling lead in Florida is a time to panic. But Biden's lead across the Rust-Belt and in Arizona is just faulty polling. You have to take polling with a grain of salt. Simple numbers aren't what's important. Biden's biggest supporters are minorities and young people - who historically often don't vote in large numbers, and who aren't terribly enthusiastic about him. Trump's biggest supporters are religious people and old people - who historically vote in very large numbers and who, according to Michael Moore, are incredibly enthusiastic about voting for Trump. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted September 12, 2020 Report Posted September 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, Argus said: You have to take polling with a grain of salt. Simple numbers aren't what's important. Biden's biggest supporters are minorities and young people - who historically often don't vote in large numbers, and who aren't terribly enthusiastic about him. Trump's biggest supporters are religious people and old people - who historically vote in very large numbers and who, according to Michael Moore, are incredibly enthusiastic about voting for Trump. People are enthusiastic about removing Trump. And unlike Hilary, Biden is largely liked. Quote
Argus Posted September 13, 2020 Report Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Boges said: People are enthusiastic about removing Trump. And unlike Hilary, Biden is largely liked. Largely. On the other hand a recent poll showed over half of Americans thought neither Biden nor Trump were mentally fit to be President. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ironstone Posted September 13, 2020 Report Posted September 13, 2020 I know a lot of people posting on here really hate Trump and of course he has his faults. But for those on the Biden side, do you have any concerns about his mental and cognitive state right now?He often looks lost without the use of a teleprompter and sometimes he's clearly confused even while reading from one. His campaign events are carefully controlled and scripted and questions are hand-fed to him. If he wins in November, does anyone seriously think he can serve two full terms? I think most of you truly want the US to get a reasonably good and competent government. My concern with Biden is mainly about who is behind him pulling the strings.There is without question a very radical component within the Democratic party now,AOC and the Squad ,Bernie Sanders etc.The Democrats have moved pretty far to the left and that should be obvious to everyone. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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