The road to 2020

[DogOnPorch]

What it boils down to is the Democrats and their supporters want to believe the MSN at all costs...it's called confirmation bias...it's real...and it can work...usually. They are, after-all...not deplorable. They are the better people...so by divine right...always correct. Born to rule.

[Michael Hardner]

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/politics/kelly-trump.html

Kelly is the only person in a position to deny this, so ask yourself why Trump got ahead of the story by disparaging Kelly.  This is his modus operandi for any qualified person who dares criticize him...

Of course, none of this would work without a massive flock of unprincipled sheep to parrot Trump's misstatements.

 

 

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WASHINGTON — John F. Kelly left the White House barely on speaking terms with President Trump. In the months since, Mr. Kelly, a retired four-star general and former White House chief of staff, has stayed mostly silent as other senior military figures have publicly and harshly criticized the president.  Much to the consternation of friends and associates who have been pushing him to speak out, Mr. Kelly continued his silence on Friday about a report in The Atlantic that the president had privately referred to American troops killed in combat as “losers” and “suckers.”

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Which people did they verify it with?  Why would the pentagon be involved?  
Simply False

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france

That report is indeed simply false. All Bolton said was he didn't hear it. He then went on to say Trump could have said it when he wasn't around later on and that it was entirely in keeping with Trump's attitude.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You just lied a bunch of times there, why would I even respond to that? 

Do you even have a clue what the actual facts are or do you just drink stupidity from CNN's firehose and then projectile vomit?

I can't for the life of me figure out how you're not Justin Trudeau's biggest supporter. 

Everything I said is absolute fact. Sorry if facts bother you.

[Argus]

54 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

What it boils down to is the Democrats and their supporters want to believe the MSN at all costs...it's called confirmation bias...

Nope. I don't really even like the Democrats. I think they're morons and idiots. But multiple reporters from multiple respected news organizations - and FOX - have largely confirmed this, and these organizations and reporters aren't in the habit of outright lying. Even FOX tries to avoid that, at least in their news division, though they get around it by having 'interview subjects' who will lie instead.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Sure...it's not like they DON'T lie.

Boy who cried wolf...blitzer.

No, they DON'T lie. That doesn't mean they might occasionally be wrong. Trump, on the other hand, lies about damned near everything he says. And you know this very well.

[DogOnPorch]

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, they DON'T lie. That doesn't mean they might occasionally be wrong. Trump, on the other hand, lies about damned near everything he says. And you know this very well.

 

LOL...give them a smooch for me would you?

Of course they lie.

[Infidel Dog]

29 minutes ago, Argus said:

Everything I said is absolute fact.

Well, that's a lie. 

[DogOnPorch]

Fence sitters like some around here just end-up with a picket up the rear-end. 

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Well, that's a lie. 

I think he's just doing his Mayor of Portland shtick...always good for laughs. 

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/politics/kelly-trump.html

Kelly is the only person in a position to deny this, so ask yourself why Trump got ahead of the story by disparaging Kelly. 

 

 

Trump and Kelly have been at odds since long before the election so close that the lying media resurrected old lies. Here's a question right back at you. Why now, then? Why not back when it happened?

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Well, that's a lie. 

What about what I said was a lie? Name one thing.

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

What about what I said was a lie? Name one thing.

 

That the media don't lie...is a lie.

[WestCanMan]

44 minutes ago, Argus said:

Everything I said is absolute fact. Sorry if facts bother you.

Liar.

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Let's see. Build the wall?

Yes he did. Trump actually built over 300 miles of walls so far, so the facts are against you.

IE - you're lying.

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Nope. Bring jobs back from overseas? Nope.

Yes he did. Just the fact that he could stem the tide of US businesses closing and moving out of the country was a big deal, but the US actually brought jobs back. Large companies invested billions of dollars in America, and just the fact that they did all that construction created thousands of jobs and ensured America's GDP was increasing instead of another country's GDP increasing. That's a long-term change, not a short term change. 

Again, you're a liar Argus. 

FYI, here's what Reuters said, and they're douchebags:

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Nearly three years later, with unemployment at the lowest in half a century, [lol, no mention of covid here... like I said, they're douchebags ]that first presidential portfolio has stumbled to fulfill that forecast. While Trump’s 10 companies have spent billions on new factories and upgrades, they failed to keep pace with new hires, according to a Reuters analysis of the group’s capital expenditures and headcount since 2017.

So yeah, you're a liar and the facts are against you. 

 

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New health care plan? Nope.

Trump promised to repeal the individual mandate. January 1, 2019 it went bye bye.

He promised a new health care plan, he'll deliver. Then you'll just whine about something else. 

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Nope. Drain that swamp?

He kept Hillary out, that's a start. Top level FBI agents were fired and demoted, because they were caught working on behalf of the Dems. That's no small thing.

An FBI agent even pleaded guilty of lying to the FISA court to re-issue the warrants to spy on Trump. 

How many FBI agents ever pleaded guilty to being part of the swamp before?

I'll concede that Trump didn't make vast headway here, but he made some, so you're still lying but not as much as usual. 

[Argus]

22 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

That the media don't lie...is a lie.

They slant stories. They choose stories which support their narrative. But they rarely deliberately lie.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Liar. Yes he did. Trump actually built over 300 miles of walls so far, so the facts are against you.

Trump did precisely NOTHING about building a wall during his first two years in office. Only after the Democrats took control of congress did he start to stir himself about getting money. So far almost everything he's had 'built' is actually a replacement for fencing that was already there. Only about ten miles of new wall have been built where there wasn't any before. The US/Mexico border is over 3100 miles long. Oh, and Mexico isn't paying for it.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-23/trump-campaigns-on-border-wall-progress-theres-not-much-of-it

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Yes he did. Just the fact that he could stem the tide of US businesses closing and moving out of the country was a big deal, but the US actually brought jobs back. Large companies invested billions of dollars in America, and just the fact that they did all that construction created thousands of jobs and ensured America's GDP was increasing instead of another country's GDP increasing. That's a long-term change, not a short term change. 

There's no evidence Trump has brought any jobs back. Large companies always invest money. Even the jobs leaving China are mostly going to Vietnam, India and Mexico. And US jobs continue to leave.

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Trump promised to repeal the individual mandate. January 1, 2019 it went bye bye.

 

He promised a new health care plan, he'll deliver. Then you'll just whine about something else.

What he promised was that he had a big, bold, beautiful health care plan and would replace Obamas with it. So far there's no sign of any new health care plan. What's he waiting for?

So it doesn't look like you got much. It just looks like you're a wild-eyed, feverish nut job who doesn't have much in the way of a brain.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2020 by Argus

[ironstone]

Any thoughts as to why the media sat on this story for around two years? Why didn't they publish this story right after it happened? Were they saving it in the hopes of dropping a bombshell during the next election? 

It's no wonder most people have a low opinion of journalists.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, ironstone said:

Any thoughts as to why the media sat on this story for around two years?

 

 

Indeed....an early "October surprise"...perhaps too early.

[bush_cheney2004]

20 minutes ago, Argus said:

There's no evidence Trump has brought any jobs back. Large companies always invest money.

 

There is plenty of evidence, to the extent that any president impacts jobs growth.   You just choose to ignore the evidence.

 

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

They slant stories. They choose stories which support their narrative. But they rarely deliberately lie.

 

Who am I to stand in the way of true romance? When did you start dating a Global reporter?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Trump did precisely NOTHING about building a wall during his first two terms in office. Only after the Democrats took control of congress did he start to stir himself about getting money. So far almost everything he's had 'built' is actually a replacement for fencing that was already there. Only about ten miles of new wall have been built where there wasn't any before. The US/Mexico border is over 3100 miles long. Oh, and Mexico isn't paying for it.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-23/trump-campaigns-on-border-wall-progress-theres-not-much-of-it

There's no evidence Trump has brought any jobs back. Large companies always invest money. Even the jobs leaving China are mostly going to Vietnam, India and Mexico. And US jobs continue to leave.

What he promised was that he had a big, bold, beautiful health care plan and would replace Obamas with it. So far there's no sign of any new health care plan. What's he waiting for?

So it doesn't look like you got much. It just looks like you're a wild-eyed, feverish nut job who doesn't have much in the way of a brain.

1) Trump is in his first term.

2) FYI the sections of wall that already exist are in the most important areas, and replacing ineffective walls in key areas was far more important that building walls in areas where none existed. Over 300 miles so far.

3) Jobs: https://investorplace.com/2017/01/10-companies-bringing-jobs-back-to-america/ it took me ten seconds to find this. FYI, when you make a serious accusation against someone, like saying that they're a liar, make sure you're right. For example, this is proof that you're a liar.

I never said that every single one of Trump's promises was 100% fulfilled, I said that he fulfilled most of them, did a lot on a big portion of the rest, and put in an honest effort on the rest. 

Getting rid of Islamic State in 3 months was a big one. Obama said it would take 5 years, but after 3 months, Islamic States map had shrunk to just a fraction of what it was at it's peak, under Obama. Sure, it was closer to 6 before ISIS had lost every sq inch of actual territory, but it was a huge victory against terrorism and made a huge ass of Obama. 

Wanna talk about an actual liar?

This is from Obama's own 'Yes we can' speech from 2012:

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What makes America exceptional are the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on earth. The belief that our destiny is shared; that this country only works when we accept certain obligations to one another and to future generations. The freedom which so many Americans have fought for and died for come with responsibilities as well as rights. And among those are love and charity and duty and patriotism. That's what makes America great.

Ummmmm, Obama's whole shtick became: "Only white people share in America's dream. Blacks are excluded, and are hunted by racist pigs" and he went on to create the most divided America in 60 years. When the sparks of division flew in 2020, Obama went into action and did his best to divide the country again.

You could complain that there are some things that Trump might have accomplished FOR America, but you can't deny that Obama did all he could since his lies of 2012 to make America worse off than it was when he was elected. 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Any thoughts as to why the media sat on this story for around two years?

What makes you think they had it for two years?

[Infidel Dog]

Go here for the map legend of how much of what part of the wall is under construction or has been completed:

https://www.trumpwall.construction/

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Trump's border wall nears 300-mile mark

President Trump’s border wall construction will reach 300 miles at the end of this week, a top Army Corps of Engineers official said on Tuesday as he gave Mr. Trump a tour of the border region in Arizona.

New wall is going up at a rate of 10 miles a week.

Mr. Trump also renewed his 2016 campaign vow to make Mexico pay for the cost, which stands at about $15 billion allocated right now.

“They will pay for it. They are paying for it, it’s 100%,” he said.

He suggested one option would be to charge a “toll” on money being sent across the border. That could be a reference to taxing remittances, the money Mexican migrants send to family back home. In 2019, Mexican migrants sent back $38.6 billion — the vast majority of that from people in the U.S.

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The Trump White House has long pondered imposing a surcharge on remittances, but has never followed through.

Mr. Trump seemed to suggest a decision will come soon.

“It doesn’t matter whether they pay for it now or over the next couple months. Mexico will be paying,” he said...

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/18/donald-trump-border-wall-nears-300-mile-mark/

[Argus]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There is plenty of evidence, to the extent that any president impacts jobs growth.   You just choose to ignore the evidence.

US job growth has (until covid) been on a consistent upward trend since Obama took office.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

US job growth has (until covid) been on a consistent upward trend since Obama took office.

 

Not for manufacturing...Trump did far better.  

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

They slant stories. They choose stories which support their narrative. But they rarely deliberately lie.

The whole Russian collusion fiasco was a LIE. They intentionally spent the majority of their time each day lying about that.

Van Jones admitted on a hidden camera that collusion was a big nothingburger 1 year and a half before they finally admitted it was fake.

Things like tax fraud weren't Russian collusion" last time I checked.

They straight-up lied about Trump's phone conversation with Zelensky too. They said that he went from talking about a favour to talking about Burisma, but he actually went to talking about crowdstrike at that point, and crowdstrike only applied to Russian collusion. That's actually a serious lie, although it's normal for CNN.

Nick Sandman made good coin off of CNN because of their indifference for truth and accuracy.

The whole Dr Ford story was a lie - there was no reason to take that woman seriously, there were many serious reasons to completely discredit her, but CNN loudly promoted her as a legitimate victim. 

They portray terrorist attacks in vans as 'gun control' stories. Same with the Pulse nightclub shooting, which featured a gun that was illegal in the US since before Omar Mateen was born.

CNN constantly says that "America's biggest terrorist threat is right-wing terror groups". Really? There are terrorists running around the US every day for the last few months, and they're all taking their marching orders from the Democrats.

CNN calls riots with arson, murder, looting and the beatings of innocent bystanders 'mostly peaceful'. Or at least they did 'til they figured out that was hurting Biden in the polls, now they're "mostly Trump's fault". They forgot that all of this started in 2014 and went on for almost 3 years before Obama was finally exorcized from the WH.  

They lied about Rayshard Brooks constantly. He wasn't running away, he had just shot a taser at a cop when he got shot and that's the same as shooting a gun in Georgia law. They also couldn't just let him go and arrest him the next day - he was a 27 yr-old passed out drunk at 10:30 pm with only .108 blood alcohol, so they needed to find out if he was on drugs as well. It's almost for sure that he was.

They lied about Michael Brown. He wasn't a gentle giant at all, he violently robbed a store moments before he was shot. CNN had access to that video but they chose not to show it. Honestly up 'til that day I was just as guilty as everyone else who just thought that CNN was actual "News". 

CNN lies about literally every story that can be politicized.

You can't find a major news story in the past 4 years that CNN did not LIE about.