Trudeau lying about SNC

[GostHacked]

On 3/1/2019 at 5:34 PM, Army Guy said:

This is just a question, as I am not a lawyer....but why can we not just charge the individuals who have committed or authorized these crimes...why must the entire company pay for the indiscretions or a few individuals...unless the owners have committed the crime and their needs to be some reparations made...But SNC is owned by stock holders is it not....so why can we not hold those reasonable for these crimes to account and let the stock holder figure out who is going to run the company next....  

The corruption seems to be ingrained into SNC's corporate culture. Government also seemed to facilitate said corruption within SNC.  So the whole company needs to be looked at. Top to bottom. Not only that, the entire Liberal party needs to be looked at.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snc-lavalin-entitled-dpa-1.5042822

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A Liberal MP says his party believes the SNC-Lavalin is "entitled" to a deferred prosecution agreement — a legal mechanism that would allow the Quebec engineering firm to avoid criminal prosecution.

"Our belief is that this company is one that is, like its competitors around the world, entitled to a deferred prosecution agreement, like they would be able to have access to in the U.K.," Steven MacKinnon, parliamentary secretary to the minister of Public Services and Procurement, told CBC News's Power & Politics today.

The Canadian government allowed and sanctioned the corruption. Not just here in Canada, but abroad.

2014 was under Harper and the Conservatives  and it continues with Trudeau and the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/snc-lavalin-sami-bebawi-1.5021583

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Sami Bebawi, a former SNC-Lavalin executive, and his tax attorney have had obstruction of justice charges against them stayed because it took too long for their case to get to trial.

Bebawi, who was vice-president at the Montreal-based engineering giant, and his lawyer Constantine Kyres, were charged in 2014.

The pair were accused of trying to obstruct justice in another criminal case, involving Bebawi's work securing contracts in Libya.

This is not the first time this company has been in a lot of hot water.  So it's not just a few bad apples at this point. It is the whole company.

Guess who's involved in Ottawa's LRT? Guess who is getting another contract worth billions?  That's right.

My question now is, what is the condition of the infrastructure that SNC-Lavalin built? How much faith can you put into their building if you cannot put faith in their leadership?

 

 

[eyeball]

On 3/1/2019 at 2:34 PM, Army Guy said:

...why must the entire company pay for the indiscretions or a few individuals...

For the same reason voters in a democracy are ultimately responsible the people they elect and consequences of their indiscretions. And especially when the indiscretions just keep piling up.

 

[PIK]

40 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The corruption seems to be ingrained into SNC's corporate culture. Government also seemed to facilitate said corruption within SNC.  So the whole company needs to be looked at. Top to bottom. Not only that, the entire Liberal party needs to be looked at.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snc-lavalin-entitled-dpa-1.5042822

The Canadian government allowed and sanctioned the corruption. Not just here in Canada, but abroad.

2014 was under Harper and the Conservatives  and it continues with Trudeau and the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/snc-lavalin-sami-bebawi-1.5021583

This is not the first time this company has been in a lot of hot water.  So it's not just a few bad apples at this point. It is the whole company.

Guess who's involved in Ottawa's LRT? Guess who is getting another contract worth billions?  That's right.

My question now is, what is the condition of the infrastructure that SNC-Lavalin built? How much faith can you put into their building if you cannot put faith in their leadership?

 

 

Ottawa just found out the new LRT will not work properly in ottawa winters. Another few bil wasted. And phase 2 will be 3 yrs behind and another 1.5b added to the bill. Corruption is so wide spread thru the construction industry, nothing can get done in this country.

Edited March 5, 2019 by PIK

[egghead]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

This just keeps getting better and better....Canadian print media is turning on Justin Trudeau.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeau-imposter/

haha, not really yet, wait unitl you see "JT wears $3000 plaid shoes to kick off his five-city ....", "JT leads opening speech in $70000 suits as he heads to .....", "JT's 9000 jobs check to pay back ......" 

[egghead]

On 3/1/2019 at 2:34 PM, Army Guy said:

why must the entire company pay for the indiscretions or a few individuals.

The really question in here is that, until today, no media can point out how the company will lose all the jobs 

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Rue said:

I argue 8 things and explain my positions unlike the Liberal pissantes:

1.      The Prime Minister, the Privy Council head and the PMO’s office violated s.121 of the Criminal Code.

2.      The Attorney General of Canada has no power or role to withdraw a persecution based on any consideration that lends to the appearance of or is in fact a conflict of interest or based on a partisan consideration which is what Trudeau asked her to do.

3.      The Prime Minister, the Privy Council head and the PMO’s office violated s.121 of the Criminal Code.

4.      The Privy Council head admitted to acting outside his job description.

5.      The fact an action is legal does not make it ethical or acceptable.

6.      The current scandal goes to a repeated pattern of showing contempt for the law by Trudeau.

7.      The current scandal shows Trudeau is not the feminist he claims he is.

8.      Mr. Trudeau claims to understand Indigenous people but clearly shows contempt for them

 

1-The Prime Minister, the Privy Council head and the PMO’s office violated s.121 of the Criminal Code

The operative wording of the Criminal Code section on influence peddling I place in bold.

S.121(1) Every one commits an offence who (a) directly or indirectly

(i)                  gives, offers or agrees to give or offer to an official or to any member of his family, or to any one for the benefit of an official, or

 

(ii)                being an official, demands, accepts or offers or agrees to accept from any person for himself or another person, a loan, reward, advantage or benefit of any kind as consideration for cooperation, assistance, exercise of influence or an act or omission in connection with (iii) the transaction of business with or any matter of business relating to the government, or (iv) a claim against Her Majesty or any benefit that Her Majesty is authorized or is entitled to bestow, whether or not, in fact, the official is able to cooperate, render assistance, exercise influence or do or omit to do what is proposed, as the case may be; (b) having dealings of any kind with the government, directly or indirectly pays a commission or reward to or confers an advantage or benefit of any kind on an employee or official of the government with which the dealings take place, or to any member of the employee’s or official’s family, or to anyone for the benefit of the employee or official, with respect to those dealings, unless the person has the consent in writing of the head of the branch of government with which the dealings take place; (c) being an official or employee of the government, directly or indirectly demands, accepts or offers or agrees to accept from a person who has dealings with the government a commission, reward, advantage or benefit of any kind for themselves or another person, unless they have the consent in writing of the head of the branch of government that employs them or of which they are an official; (d) having or pretending to have influence with the government or with a minister of the government or an official, directly or indirectly demands, accepts or offers or agrees to accept, for themselves or another person, a reward, advantage or benefit of any kind as consideration for cooperation, assistance, exercise of influence or an act or omission in connection with (i) anything mentioned in subparagraph (a)(iii) or (iv), or (ii) the appointment of any person, including themselves, to an office; (e) directly or indirectly gives or offers, or agrees to give or offer, to a minister of the government or an official, or to anyone for the benefit of a minister or an official, a reward, advantage or benefit of any kind as consideration for cooperation, assistance, exercise of influence, or an act or omission, by that minister or official, in connection with (i) anything mentioned in subparagraph (a)(iii) or (iv), or (ii) the appointment of any person, including themselves, to an office; or (f) having made a tender to obtain a contract with the government, (i) directly or indirectly gives or offers, or agrees to give or offer, to another person who has made a tender, to a member of that person’s family or to another person for the benefit of that person, a reward, advantage or benefit of any kind as consideration for the withdrawal of the tender of that person, or(ii) directly or indirectly demands, accepts or offers or agrees to accept from another person who has made a tender a reward, advantage or benefit of any kind for themselves or another person as consideration for the withdrawal of their own tender.

The above states that neither the Prime Minister or any other government official can give an advantage to Lavalin of any kind or ask the AG to do the same.

2.The Attorney General of Canada has no power or role to withdraw a persecution based on any consideration that lends to the appearance of or is in fact a conflict of interest or based on a partisan consideration which is what Trudeau asked her to do.

I urge anyone to go and look up for themselves the AG job description because it is legal fact and public domain and that is that The Attorney General of Canada is the highest-ranking prosecuting officer in Canada and can not withhold a crown prosecution based on a political consideration.

It is true on the federal level, the Attorney General is also the Minister of Justice whereas in some of the Canada’s provinces, the attorney general’s office conducts the functions of the Solicitor General’s office as well; but in other provinces, they are separated and each of them performs different responsibilities. However  when the Ministry of Justice serves as the AG, the chief law officer of the Executive Council, the Attorney General is obliged to see that the public affairs are administered in accordance with the legal regulations in the country.

The well known principle of the rule of law requires that the Attorney General advise the Cabinet of the Government of the dayin order to ensure that the Cabinet’s actions are legal and constitutionally valid and that the rule of law is maintained.

Let’s also make this crystal clear. When the AG gives legal advise as to administering public affairs in a legal manner it can NOT be ignored.

The Attorney General is in legal factr esponsible for all criminal prosecutions in the country. However,  it is true there are certain  prosecutions conducted by the provincial Attorney General authorities under the Canadian Criminal Code (not the case at hand).

In legal fact the Attorney General of never cause charges to be laid – that ultimate decision is in the hands of the applicable police authority.

Let us  be as clear as possible., The Attorney General MUST t fulfil theircriminal prosecution duties independently of any political or government pressure precisely because these duties require fairness of the presentation of cases and does not necessarily result in a conviction. .

The Attorney General has  what is called  “Crown’s parens patriae authority” which means the AG has a constitutional responsibility to protect the public interest and public rights in the country.  Those public interests and rights necessarily mean the AG must protect the legal system from any real or appearance of non judicial independence.

Until Justin Trudeau this has never been an issue and it is so unusual that five former Attorney Generals who do not know her came out in favour of her and have commenced a legal action against Trudeau.

3.The Prime Minister, the Privy Council head and the PMO’s office violated s.121 of the Criminal Code.

All of the above have admitted on public record of having attempted to pressure the AG not to pursue a prosecution against Lavalin and felt that pressure was appropriate and legal. In  so doing they have admitted to actions that could be in violation of s.121 and they should have known lent to the appearance of violating s.121 and most certainly created a direct conflict of interest between the Prime Minister’s partisan concerns regarding alienating Quebec voters with the public interest of protecting all Canadians including Quebecers from the alleged criminal behaviour of Lavalin.

4.The Privy Council head admitted to acting outside his job description.

Again and you can look it up its public domain  the Privy Council head’s job is to advise the Prime Minister and elected Government officials in providing objective, non-partisan, public policy perspective. The Privy Council head has admitted on public record his perspective given to the AG was based not on non partisan objective considerations but partisan ones, specifically the need to treat Lavalin differently and favourably due to a fear not doing so would alienate Quebec voters. That consideration of alienating Quebec voters is not and was never the domain of the Privy Council head to discuss or mention to the AG on her role as the AG.

5.The fact an action is legal does not make it ethical or acceptable.

Liberals are now trying to argue since Trudeau did not order the AG and only pressured her its not illegal and therefore excusable behaviour. This is not logical. Something most certainly can be unethical but be legal.

To determine if what Trudeau did was  ethical one I would contend should ask, what is the purpose of criminal sentencing? Is it to allow corporations a special standard of favourable treatment (leniency in sentencing) when they commit a crime because they employ Quebecers who might if unemployed not vote for Trudeau? Is that the purpose?

Without knowing anything else does one really need to be told that if we allowed Lavalin leniency on these grounds than necessarily every criminal who runs a business that employs people should be given leniency. Is that in the best interests of the public?  Does undermining criminal law act in the best interests of the public?

Can you imagine what Liberals would say if the Tories tried to do this. We know what they said. Years ago when Jean Charest as Sports Minister in the Mulroney cabinet called up a Judge in his riding to try influence the sentence for a constituent, the Liberals demanded his resignation. Now with this Prime Minister they cheer him on although as of today a vital cabinet Minister resigned out of protect along with the AG.

This is the same Prime Minister while trying to interfere with pressure NOT to prosecute Lavalin in an on-going criminal proceeding told the government of China he can not intervene with on-going criminal proceedings under any circumstance because of the rule of law and thus could not intervene over the Hua Wei extradition matter?

Why the disconnect and utter contradiction?

Next to find out what the purpose of criminal sentencing is just go to s.718 of the Criminal Code and you will see it does NOT and has never equated a sentencing principal with partisan political considerations. Its primary purpose is to deter crime and serve a message to all citizens NOT to commit a crime.

6.The current scandal goes to a repeated pattern of showing contempt for the law by Trudeau.

In fact since Trudeau was elected he has repeated a pattern of showing contempt for the law and being above it:

i-he went on vacation paid for and hosted by the Aga Kahn knowing the Aga Kahn at the same time was lobbying Trudeau’s government for funding;

ii-rather than test in court whether Kadr was entitled to any financial compensation he chose to pay him off with $10 million dollars in a back room deal usurping the role of the AG at that time and putting the needs of Kadr before a broader policy consideration as to whether anyone committing a crime regardless of age should benefit financially from that crime and in so doing has created a legal precedent to compensate returning terrorists to Canada;

iii- knowingly violates a safe third country law that says a refugee coming from a safe third country who makes a claim for refugee status in Canada can NOT and must be sent back to the safe third party to make the refugee claim-what Trudeau has done is to openly violate the law penalizing any refugee claimant coming from the US to a legal port of entry in Canada by rejecting their claims BUT with illegal entrants who break the law and knowingly break it by entering illegally, they are rewarded with an expedited refugee process-this is a flagrant violation of immigration law and the creation of an unfair double standard;

iv-had his Foreign Minister pose for the t.v. cameras allowing privileged entry as a refugee to a Saudi Arabian young woman on the grounds and I quote “she reminds me of my daughter” which not only was absolutely completely inappropriate and a subjective bias statement undermining the objective criteria immigration entry consideration should consider but now sets a precedent that anyone who reminds the Foreign Minister of her daughter should be admitted as a refugee. This is how absurd its become

7-The current scandal shows Trudeau is not the feminist he claims he is.

Upon being elected and during the campaign, Trudeau stated if a woman claims to be harassed we must take her at her word. However when his AG told him to stop harassing her he persisted and fired her and has told the public not to believe her. He is a classic example of someone who harasses and then asks you not to believe he harassed.

In fact Mr. Trudeau et al admitted to pressuring her. Now they would have you believe repeated pressuring is not harassment.

8-Mr. Trudeau claims to understand Indigenous people but clearly shows contempt for them.

On being elected Mr. Trudeau claimed Canada’s ethical standards failed to live up to the Indigenous peoples’ expectations and he would change them to honour the ethical codes of Indigenous peoples.

Since being elected he has done absolutely nothing for aboriginals despite numerous promises and appointing not one but two Ministers neither who has achieved any new policy or implemented any new law or paid off any outstanding litigation cases for treaty violations.

The Truth Commission Trudeau created fell apart. Not only that he had the nerve on capital hill during a protest to walk in and out of a teepee of protesters declaring to the press he was and is the only Prime Minister ever to do anything for the indigenous peoples.

Then to add to this absurdity, he knowingly hired his AG stating she was Indigenous and he hired her among other reasons for her reputation as a truth seeker, i.e., an elder in her community who comes from a long line of elders who uphold a high ethical standard of integrity in any dealings. Then when she lives up to this reputation he fires her for refusing to go outside her job description and allow herself to do something unethical, i.e., be influenced by a non legal consideration to undermine a criminal trial.

Let’s be clear the charges against Lavalin came in 2015. When the officers of Lavalin knew they would be charged triggering a share devaluation they remained silent but used their insider knowledge to sell shares at a high value before the announcement was made. On the day the announcement was made that they were being charged, all officers had sold their shares and the stocks devalued from $25 to $14 dollars. Shareholders finding out about this insider trading then filed a class action law suit which is still pending and would be prejudiced by a lenient criminal sentence.

Summary

Never in the history of a ruling government in Canada has a Prime Minister acted so blatantly conflicted and in such a clumsy manner in failing to keep partisan interests detached from non partisan legal proceedings.

One only has to review the cases on influence peddling. Nowhere have we seen such behaviour. The closest to it was John A. MacDonald taking kickbacks on the rail road or Marcel Duplessis in Quebec, Joey Smallwood and Bennet in Newfoundland, and WAC Bennet in B.C. all who were accused of patronage and kick backs but never lobbied or tried to interfere with a criminal proceeding.

Not even the Irving and McCain empires in and influence in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick tried to influence an on-going criminal trial.

In fact I challenge anyone to find any Canadian government that allowed a criminal to lobby 80 times in 3 years as Lavalin has done from 2016 to 2019 with the Liberals to try influence their sentence.

Let’s also be clear. In addition to a criminal fine, officers in Lavalin face jail time AND most importantly the sentence may prevent Lavalin from being able to get any federal contract for 10 years. That is what Trudeau panicked over. He fired his AG when he could not pressure her knowing he could not order her. He now has chosen an AG who says he will consider interfering but 5 former AG’s have already challenged that and we will have if this continues probably many lawyers and law associations maybe even the Law Societies of Canada challenge Trudeau and his AG if they try interfere and force a deferred prosecution order to prevent a trial.

Let’s also get one other thing clear. In a plea bargain, any agreed plea must still be presented to the Judge for approval and the Judge will not grant it if it ignores s.718 considerations or appears in conflict with them which Lavalin considerations would.

Knowing that Trudeau sought in a deferred prosecution agreement to have the trial or proceedings stopped so a Judge could not get involved to review the appropriateness of the pleadings. It is a deliberate run around of the court’s jurisdiction and role to influence a political consideration.

Here is what makes it even more disgusting and unethical. Trudeau said in his last campaign he would never pass an omnibus bill to hide an unpopular law-he would openly discuss that law.

Trudeau since elected has demonstrated he will NOT answer questions in Parliament. He out and out refuses showing contempt for the Opposition with canned scripted answers that do not answer the question.

Not only that but the deferred prosecution agreement passed by his government was planted inside an omnibus bill in the last second to pass it through so there would be no debate on it.

His own Justice committee MP did not know it was passed and disagreed with it and said so publically!

Can it get any more ridiculous? Oh you bet.

Now Liberals are trying to claim the AG was not qualified to do her job. Yes this coming from people who have no problem feeling the PM’s qualification of being a drama supply teacher at a private high school for less than one year constitutes sufficient training to be PM of Canada.

On the CBC this morning the reporter was talking to liberal Sheila Copps and she was condemning Jody and trying to protect king trudeau from Jody Rabould. The liberal establishment is coming out in full war gear and showing their true colors. Teflon Don trudeau needs their protection now. Something tells me that nothing will happen to king trudeau. Just my feelings right now. After all, king trudeau is a part of the deep state and they like to protect their loyal servants.A must wait and see thingy now.

[Hates politicians]

22 minutes ago, taxme said:

On the CBC this morning the reporter was talking to liberal Sheila Copps and she was condemning Jody and trying to protect king trudeau from Jody Rabould. The liberal establishment is coming out in full war gear and showing their true colors. Teflon Don trudeau needs their protection now. Something tells me that nothing will happen to king trudeau. Just my feelings right now. After all, king trudeau is a part of the deep state and they like to protect their loyal servants.A must wait and see thingy now.

He will neve see the inside of a prison cell and neitht will any politician as they are above the law. Ex. Brian baloney tax evasion and bribes and perjury. No jail time and gets paid on top of it. Crotchen adscam, assault again never charged and well paid for it. Harris broke up ont hydro and sold off assets to his pals. No jail time  mcgoofy and the dyke raped and pillaged ont. No jail time

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

For the same reason voters in a democracy are ultimately responsible the people they elect and consequences of their indiscretions. And especially when the indiscretions just keep piling up.

 

At what time do Canadian stand up and be counted, when do we hold our government responsible....it does not seem we have a limit to anything....it's hockey, pogy check, liquor store repeat.... 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, egghead said:

The really question in here is that, until today, no media can point out how the company will lose all the jobs 

Aside for what JT says in the media that he received a phone call from SNC, they said they would move out of Canada to else where....if they did not get their way....perhaps he should have given the number to one of Montreal moving companies and told them good luck with that....how long can they use that kind of black mail, Who else have they bribed here in Canada for contracts. 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

The corruption seems to be ingrained into SNC's corporate culture. Government also seemed to facilitate said corruption within SNC.  So the whole company needs to be looked at. Top to bottom. Not only that, the entire Liberal party needs to be looked at.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snc-lavalin-entitled-dpa-1.5042822

The Canadian government allowed and sanctioned the corruption. Not just here in Canada, but abroad.

2014 was under Harper and the Conservatives  and it continues with Trudeau and the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/snc-lavalin-sami-bebawi-1.5021583

This is not the first time this company has been in a lot of hot water.  So it's not just a few bad apples at this point. It is the whole company.

Guess who's involved in Ottawa's LRT? Guess who is getting another contract worth billions?  That's right.

My question now is, what is the condition of the infrastructure that SNC-Lavalin built? How much faith can you put into their building if you cannot put faith in their leadership?

 

 

And the new AG will not say or confirm if they are proceeding with giving SNC the pass on charges....but they are looking into it.....How can liberals look themselves in the mirror and agree that all of this shit is OK with them.....how can liberal voters do the same....and your right the cons are no better, just they did not get caught....

[GostHacked]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And the new AG will not say or confirm if they are proceeding with giving SNC the pass on charges....but they are looking into it.....How can liberals look themselves in the mirror and agree that all of this shit is OK with them.....how can liberal voters do the same....and your right the cons are no better, just they did not get caught....

They won't do a damn thing. And I would hope people boycott and protest the shit out of SNC-Lavalin AND the whole government at this stage. No matter liberal, conservative, green ect ...  they are all part of this problem if they are not willing to fix it.

[Army Guy]

No we are the problem , were to stupid to do anything about it .....they know us better than we do....

[taxme]

38 minutes ago, Hates politicians said:

He will neve see the inside of a prison cell and neitht will any politician as they are above the law. Ex. Brian baloney tax evasion and bribes and perjury. No jail time and gets paid on top of it. Crotchen adscam, assault again never charged and well paid for it. Harris broke up ont hydro and sold off assets to his pals. No jail time  mcgoofy and the dyke raped and pillaged ont. No jail time

Those thieves, crooks and liars that you mentioned above were able to get away with their criminal activities because of we the people who continue to let them get away with their crimes. The whole dam Canadian political system is crooked from top to bottom. Canadians should be demanding justice for those crooks and demanding that they be put in jail for what they have been doing to the taxpayer's of this country for all these decades. Where are the demonstrations by the people who get all up tight over what Trump says or does? Nowhere to be seen.

It would appear as though most Canadians don't really give a shit about much of anything but themselves. Most are probably just as bad as those politician crooks are and understand those crooks and feel sorry for them getting caught. Lol. This land is not we the people's land. It is the crooked politicians land and they are doing quite well in dumb ass Canada. It's no wonder that these politicians mentioned above can get away with what they do. They own the bloody place. They know they can because the system allows them to do so. 

Teflon Don Trudeau will walk away a free feminist and will probably end up with a job in the United Nations or with some other communist outfit. It is only you and me that get to pay and go to jail for committing the same crimes that they do. The justice system is also crooked as hell. There are many Canadians in Canadian prisons today who have committed the same crimes as those crooks mentioned above. Why? Why are they in jail? I guess it all depends on who you know and who''s butt you are kissing, eh? If one is not a part of the conservative and liberal elite then I guess your ass becomes a kicking ass. 

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

At what time do Canadian stand up and be counted, when do we hold our government responsible....it does not seem we have a limit to anything....it's hockey, pogy check, liquor store repeat.... 

Why are you so determined to put your life on the line for a country that fills you with so much contempt? There must be something in it for you that you're not disclosing.

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

They won't do a damn thing. And I would hope people boycott and protest the shit out of SNC-Lavalin AND the whole government at this stage. No matter liberal, conservative, green ect ...  they are all part of this problem if they are not willing to fix it.

They were all willing to be lobbied in secret by SNC for the same apparent reason.

[egghead]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Aside for what JT says in the media that he received a phone call from SNC, they said they would move out of Canada to else where....if they did not get their way....perhaps he should have given the number to one of Montreal moving companies and told them good luck with that....how long can they use that kind of black mail, Who else have they bribed here in Canada for contracts. 

That is my point exactly; JT keeps saying "9000 jobs will lose if SNC moves"; however, how many jobs are really company dependent? In fact, I believe most of the jobs opportunities will shift to other companies inside Canada.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

No we are the problem , were to stupid to do anything about it .....they know us better than we do....

How do we do anything about it when the government puts it into legislation that SNC gets a pass while not telling Canadians they did just that.?

 

[August1991]

On 3/1/2019 at 10:17 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

I am disillusioned. Mr. Trudeau has shown himself to be a bully and long on talk but his platitudes have been all cosmetic. It almost sounded like sexual harassment. He doesn't seem to understand "No means no."

Reading through this thread, I just saw this. I am surprised that you make such a remark.

[PIK]

Listening to Butts, they just don't get it. He basically called jody a liar.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Listening to Butts, they just don't get it. He basically called jody a liar.

Butts confirmed what I suspected: JWR pulled an ambush move as a political calculation that she thought would work in her favour.  She wasn't pressured unduly on SNC.  In fact, according to Butts, it barely came up in discussion.  JWR acted very quickly in her dismissal of a remediation for SNC (16 days?), which doesn't look like due diligence, though, according to Butts, that had nothing to do with JWR's shuffle from AG to Veterans Affairs, which happened because of Brison's resignation.  Butts did make it clear that this whole picture of inappropriate pressure on the AG came out of left field after JWR's Cabinet shuffle to Veterans Affairs.  She hadn't expressed concern in the past.  I would not want JWR on my team.  Seems like snake in the grass behavior.  I don't think she's a team player and I don't think she gave a DPA fair consideration.  She may want to be the PM.  She is not the PM.

[Argus]

The Liberals continue to insist that they weren't pressuring her in order to improve their electoral fortunes but to save jobs in Canada. Now quite aside from the exagerated number of jobs at stake that is not allowed to be a consideration for allowing a deferral under a law passed by this very government.

Under section 715.32(3) of the Criminal Code, prosecutors are forbidden to consider the “national economic interest” in deciding whether to grant certain deferred prosecution agreements, including the one that was being sought for SNC-Lavalin. According to Jody Wilson-Raybould’s sworn testimony last Wednesday, she was explicitly told to seek a DPA for SNC-Lavalin because of the potential “jobs lost.”

“The prime minister asked me to help out to find a solution here for SNC, citing that if there is no DPA, there would be many jobs lost and that SNC would move from Montreal,” Wilson-Raybould said.

The “national economic interests” measure is quite new to the Criminal Code and was introduced by Trudeau’s own government. The specific text comes from the OECD Anti-Bribery Convention, which has been signed and ratified by Canada – and for which compliance is monitored by the OECD.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/national-economic-interest-snc-lavalin-jane-philpott-jody-wilson-raybould-justin-trudeau

 

[Hates politicians]

On 3/5/2019 at 2:34 PM, Army Guy said:

And the new AG will not say or confirm if they are proceeding with giving SNC the pass on charges....but they are looking into it.....How can liberals look themselves in the mirror and agree that all of this shit is OK with them.....how can liberal voters do the same....and your right the cons are no better, just they did not get caught....

Because politicians are nothing but filthy scum sucking vermin and the dummies that voted for them don't have enough brains to hurt themselves

[egghead]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Butts confirmed what I suspected: JWR pulled an ambush move as a political calculation that she thought would work in her favour.  She wasn't pressured unduly on SNC.  In fact, according to Butts, it barely came up in discussion.  JWR acted very quickly in her dismissal of a remediation for SNC (16 days?), which doesn't look like due diligence, though, according to Butts, that had nothing to do with JWR's shuffle from AG to Veterans Affairs, which happened because of Brison's resignation.  Butts did make it clear that this whole picture of inappropriate pressure on the AG came out of left field after JWR's Cabinet shuffle to Veterans Affairs.  She hadn't expressed concern in the past.  I would not want JWR on my team.  Seems like snake in the grass behavior.  I don't think she's a team player and I don't think she gave a DPA fair consideration.  She may want to be the PM.  She is not the PM.

Sheila Copps, is that you? Now, all "JT kool-aid" drinkers are either playing dumb or wearing tin foil hat 

[mowich]

Geppetto fulfilled his assigned role today with a complete rebuttal of all the most salient points of Wilson-Raybould's testimony.  He maintained a calm demeanor throughout the proceedings and never took the bait of those trying to get a rise out of him.  I don't doubt for a single moment that he believes his version of events  - whether anyone else does besides dyed-in-the-wool liberals is up for debate.

For me the surreal moment was once again provided by the Privy Council's clerk - he of hysterical assassination comments during his first appearance.  Today he was beside himself over comments appearing in social media.  Apparently, there were more than a few folks who found his opening comments last time to be bizarre to say the least - and had absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand.  Unlike Geppetto, he was combative at times and as the questions became more pointed, I was wondering if his blood pressure was out of control as his face kept getting redder and redder. The sooner he is shown the door the better.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Hates politicians said:

Because politicians are nothing but filthy scum sucking vermin and the dummies that voted for them don't have enough brains to hurt themselves

What would you suggest? Armed revolution?