Ford-Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Allegation

[betsy]

Now that they see Ford isn't effective to sink down Kavanaugh - they've brought out another one!

 

 

The Six Days Of Deborah Ramirez

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/six-days-of-deborah-ramirez-kavanaugh/

 

Lol.  This one's even really drunk!

 

I feel so sorry for Kavanaugh, and his family.

Edited September 24, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

Even Stormy Daniel's lawyer is coming to the rescue of Ford!

 

 

Quote

 

Michael Avenatti said he has 'significant evidence' that Brett Kavanaugh participated in sexual misconduct in high school

He said that at multiple house parties in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge plied women with alcohol and drugs "in order to allow a 'train' of men to subsequently gang rape them."

 

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-avenatti-brett-kavanaugh-2018-9

 

 Ford's claim sorta contradicts Avenatti's, doesn't it?  

According to Ford, Judge and Kavanaugh were already drunk when they got to the party.  No mention of them bringing the booze.  There was also no mention of drugs.   She also said, Judge was at some point telling Kavanaugh to stop - and actually distracted Kavanaugh when he rough-housed with him - giving an opportunity for Ford to lock herself in the bathroom.  The two got distracted and went away - two boys who are drunk, and unfocused.    The incident doesn't fit the description of a would-be gang-rape.  Judge doesn't fit the characterization of Avenatti,  as being into gang rapes.

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2018 by betsy

[scribblet]

If anyone buys into this I can sell you some swampland in Florida.  One person actually is calling for an FBI Investigation of Senate Democrats into their efforts to find women who would accuse Kavanaugh.   What was promised and why is the natiion’s highest lawmaking body show complete disregard for the rights of the accused?

It seems that the Democrats have become so unhinged that they believe the ends justifies the means (their means) 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testify.html

The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

Edited September 24, 2018 by scribblet

[scribblet]

On 9/23/2018 at 11:01 AM, Michael Hardner said:

You don't need corroboration to testify.  If she is believable then there's an impact on the Republican Rape All-Star Team that runs the show now...

Amazing how many people respond to “can you point to some actual evidence?” 

With

“why do you support rapists? You must be friends with rapists.”

[Shady]

It's a shame the Democrats and the left have completely abandoned the very important principle of innocent until proven guilty.

[Wilber]

23 minutes ago, Truth Detector said:

It's a shame the Democrats and the left have completely abandoned the very important principle of innocent until proven guilty.

So let's have a trial.

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Wilber said:

So let's have a trial.

For what?  He hasn't been charged with anything.  

[Hal 9000]

I don't like Avenatti, I've always preferred to hear false allegations from Gloria Allred or Lisa Bloom...this just doesn't feel right.

[Wilber]

1 hour ago, Truth Detector said:

For what?  He hasn't been charged with anything.  

You are charging someone with making false allegations. Aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

[Don Jonas]

Interesting that Ramirez didn't come forward herself. Kavanaugh's assault of her was so widely known by so many people, the New Yorker approached her.

[bush_cheney2004]

Everybody who went to any school with Kavanaugh should make similar claims...hundreds of claims.

"I am Spartacus ! "

...what a circus...

 

[Hal 9000]

41 minutes ago, Don Jonas said:

Interesting that Ramirez didn't come forward herself. Kavanaugh's assault of her was so widely known by so many people, the New Yorker approached her.

That doesn't say much for the FBI who investigated Kavanaugh 6 times.

[Hal 9000]

C'mon, Ford's handlers have lost faith in her, now they've been prepping the new one for at least 6 days, she might testify - at some point.  There will be a reason to have Ford NOT testify...with questions.  My guess is they submit a written complaint from Ford and go all-in on the new one.  The last thing they need is for Ford to pull a "I just want an apology" and run out of the room like what happened with Trumps all-star accuser

[August1991]

On 9/22/2018 at 12:30 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's a political hit job that only has legs because of current #MeToo trendiness and Trump haters.   Democrats are desperate...they have no power.

To put this in perspective, there was a re-opened Senate hearing for Anita Hill when Justice Clarence Thomas was accused of sexual harrassment, but it only delayed the inevitable.

If a credible finding of assault by Judge Kavanaugh cannot be substantiated, he will join the Supreme Court bench.

 

Largely agree...

1. The Dems are terrified that Roe v. Wade could be overturned. (Even with Kavanaugh, doubt it... )

2. The Dems are aware that the Repubs delayed Obama's nomination.

The Dems are using tactics to delay this with the hope that they gain control of the Senate. Or force Trump to nominate a better candidate.

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Truth of the allegations?   For some women in their 50s, Roe v. Wade is such an issue that they would lie/fabulate to defend it.

[Don Jonas]

Why is sexual assault the only crime where people decide for themselves whether it happened based on absolutely nothing but whether they would prefer if it didn't happen?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, Don Jonas said:

Why is sexual assault the only crime where people decide for themselves whether it happened based on absolutely nothing but whether they would prefer if it didn't happen?

No, this happens with a lot of crimes such as those involving police. 

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Truth of the allegations?   For some women in their 50s, Roe v. Wade is such an issue that they would lie/fabulate to defend it.

Or the sex-assault president picked a sex-assault judge.  Birds of a feather and all that, Auguste.  I'm not sure what the end game is for these molesters and reprobates all helping each other out.  

[scribblet]

Still no evidence or corroboration of anything and yet people are willing to destroy a man's life with no evidence of anything.   Dianne Feinstein didn’t want Bill Clinton impeached over allegations supported by DNA evidence but she does however,  want Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation vote delayed over an unsupported allegation and stays silent on Keith Ellison’s documented abuse.  Politically motivated hack at the least.

Now Ford's high priced lawyers want a small room and limited media...   it just goes on and on...     what the FBI should investigate is who is paying for these high priced lawyers.

Sen. Grassley needs to schedule the confirmation vote as they are being played.  It looks as if Dr. Ford will be a no-show unless she gets to choreograph the event for partisan advantage.

Edited September 25, 2018 by scribblet

[Shady]

19 hours ago, Wilber said:

You are charging someone with making false allegations. Aren't they innocent until proven guilty?

I don't have the authority to criminally charge anyone with a crime.  Hence no trial. 

[betsy]

On 9/24/2018 at 2:02 PM, Truth Detector said:

It's a shame the Democrats and the left have completely abandoned the very important principle of innocent until proven guilty.

It's like modern-day inquisition! 

All you need is an accuser or allegations that you might've committed some "sexual misconduct".....and you get pilloried, and your reputation gets shredded!  You could also lose your job!  You're automatically guilty!

And if you defend yourself by saying, "I didn't do it..." they say that's just "talking point!"     

If you're innocent.......what else are you supposed to say???

 

 

I'm curious to know how it will be like......when the pendulum swings to the other extreme. 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by betsy

[Boges]

On 9/24/2018 at 2:02 PM, Truth Detector said:

It's a shame the Democrats and the left have completely abandoned the very important principle of innocent until proven guilty.

That's for criminal justice, not a lifetime post on the Supreme Court. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

That's for criminal justice, not a lifetime post on the Supreme Court. 

 

...or lifetime Senator from Massachusetts !   (Peace be upon him.)

[Boges]

What I find telling about this story is the move to rush the process. As if the GOP is now afraid there are most stories like the two that have come out about his conduct will come out soon. 

Rushing this only proves that they're afraid what people will find. And refusing to allow the FBI to investigate, it certainly indicates there is something to hide. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

...or lifetime Senator from Massachusetts !   (Peace be upon him.)

Perhaps you don't recognize the changing mood around people accused of sexual misconduct. Referencing something in the 70's doesn't really say anything. 

The Judge seemed very critical of a President getting a BJ in his office. I guess hypocrisy is a matter of course for partisan GOP hacks. 

[scribblet]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

What I find telling about this story is the move to rush the process. As if the GOP is now afraid there are most stories like the two that have come out about his conduct will come out soon. 

Rushing this only proves that they're afraid what people will find. And refusing to allow the FBI to investigate, it certainly indicates there is something to hide. 

That's not the reason, its the mid terms which often gives through opposition more seats. If the democratics get a majority, the Republicans will never be able to fill the seat.