DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Boges said: Oh so you can fight off a Modern Military power already? Must have a swoot compound. Would love to visit sometime. Again...you're are free to surrender now if you haven't already. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Again...you're are free to surrender now if you haven't already. Well. . . you live in Canada, you already have. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Well. . . you live in Canada, you already have. I accept your surrender. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 54 minutes ago, Boges said: It's adorable that you guys think your measly semi-automatic weapons would make it impossible for your government to kill you if they wanted to. That is entirely beside the point now, and doesn't offer any useful solution to the question of how to stop crazed madmen from going on a rampage. Ordinary folk, of which I assume millions have guns in the US, are not presenting a problem. 1 Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: That is entirely beside the point now, and doesn't offer any useful solution to the question of how to stop crazed madmen from going on a rampage. Ordinary folk, of which I assume millions have guns in the US, are not presenting a problem. Until they do. There are reasonable gun measures that people want. Measures that have extraordinary strong support Nationally. But the approach people in the GOP take is that if they can't stop all gun crime, they shouldn't try to stop any gun crime. Edited February 23, 2018 by Boges 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Until they do. There are reasonable gun measures that people want. Measures that have extraordinary strong support Nationally. But the approach people in the GOP take is that if they can't stop all gun crime, they shouldn't try to stop any gun crime. Incorrect, they do want to stop gun crime. "Strong support nationally" is just the Dems typical use of propaganda to get an emotional rise out of people. Because, TRUMP. The same criticism you have levelled here can be applied to Obama who also did nothing much that was effective. So, not a partisan issue at all. Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: The same criticism you have levelled here can be applied to Obama who also did nothing much that was effective. So, not a partisan issue at all. Of course it is. You think a GOP controlled House of Congress was going to do anything for Gun Control. Especially in the wake of Sandy Hook. Strong Support Nationally isn't propaganda, it's used with backing of polling data. http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-poll-americans-support-assault-weapons-ban-after-florida-shooting-2018-2 Quote A new Quinnipiac poll released Tuesday found that two-thirds of American voters support stricter gun laws, reaching the highest level in the poll's history. Just as remarkable was the near-universal support for background checks, with 97% of the general public and 97% of gun owners supporting them. That number rose slightly from November 2017, when 95% of American voters overall and 94% of voters in gun-owning households supported background checks. Beyond that, the new poll found that 67% of Americans favored a nationwide assault weapons ban, a rate that rose steadily over the last five years. In 2013, just 56% of voters said they supported an assault weapons ban. Edited February 23, 2018 by Boges Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Boges said: Of course it is. You think a GOP controlled House of Congress was going to do anything for Gun Control. Especially in the wake of Sandy Hook. Strong Support Nationally isn't propaganda, it's used with backing of polling data. http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-poll-americans-support-assault-weapons-ban-after-florida-shooting-2018-2 Of course it is, because the public has been duped/ bombarded with anti-Trump propaganda non-stop, to the point that they are almost hysterical. They'll support any nonsense coming from the mouths of Democrats, many of whom do not care about what's right or what makes sense, they are looking for anything that will give them political leverage, by demonizing Donald Trump. Because they know it's unlikely that Trump will implement new weapons ban laws, just like Obama would not/ could not. But that little factoid is being kept quiet in their dialogue. So yes, this is propaganda. Quote
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 11:11 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: I sure hope so...that's why we pay our NRA membership dues ! Most NRA members back background checks. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/22/2018 at 12:29 PM, LonJowett said: So you are saying there should be some sort of arbitrary limit set for the types of weapons allowed under the second amendment? No. A consistent and logical limit. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Argus said: Most NRA members back background checks. That's because we already have background checks....no big deal. I completed another "background check" last year to buy a fun Maverick 88. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/22/2018 at 12:58 PM, Hal 9000 said: I'm more interested in what a gun will do than I am about it's name or how intimidating it looks. The AR-15 on its own is no more or no less dangerous than any semi-auto rifle, it just happens to be the name brand that people choose. The AR-15 is just the M-16 which can't, without adjustment, go full automatic. But here's the thing, soldiers rarely ever used full auto when they fired the M-16 because that runs you out of bullets too fast and most of them miss. So for all practical effects, the AR-15 is the M-16, the assault rifle the US military used for decades. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 20 hours ago, Boges said: Cite the effectiveness of such programs. Why, the one they had in this high school in Florida was darned effective! He protected himself and the yard outside real well! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: He resigned for not engaging the threat inside the building. I'm sure Mrs. Beazley, the English teacher will be far braver. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Boges said: So not only do teachers have to be trained to carry guns, they have to supervise children with guns. Well, you have to admit that would put a quick end to some crazy guy coming in to do a mass shooting. It would work. Of course, you'd have to put up with the thousands of accidental shootings every year, not to mention schoolyard arguments the wind up as shootouts, and kids stealing guns from teachers desk and playing with them (and shooting themselves in the face). But hey, you can't have everything! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Boges said: It's adorable that you guys think your measly semi-automatic weapons would make it impossible for your government to kill you if they wanted to. There were guns in virtually every Iraqi home all the time Saddam Hussein was in power. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Argus said: I'm sure Mrs. Beazley, the English teacher will be far braver. A quick google search shows that some states already have laws allowing teachers to carry guns, and quite a number of teachers have come forward expressing interest in doing it. Colorado to arm teachers in classrooms (June 2017)Arkansas district will arm 20 teachers and staff (2013)More Ohio schools arm teachers to shoot attackers (2016)Utah: More Teachers Authorized to Carry Weapons in Classroom (2014)Armed Teachers: Over 600 Have Applied for Training (2013) There's plenty more. Edited February 23, 2018 by OftenWrong 1 Quote
Argus Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: A quick google search shows that some states already have laws allowing teachers to carry guns, and quite a number of teachers have come forward expressing interest in doing it. Even among police there are lots of accidents with firearms every year. You want to have tens of thousands of teachers carrying guns into schools? You know you don't wear a gun all day, right? They go into a desk drawer, and how often do they get dropped between holster and drawer? And how often does the drawer not get locked properly? And it's not like desk drawers are guns safes it'd be hard to break into either. how often do kids get at the guns? How many kids get shot in ones and twos instead of fives and tens? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Boges said: Until they do. There are reasonable gun measures that people want. Measures that have extraordinary strong support Nationally. But the approach people in the GOP take is that if they can't stop all gun crime, they shouldn't try to stop any gun crime. What reasonable gun measures do democrats want? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Hal 9000 said: What reasonable gun measures do democrats want? Turning them into ingots, I believe. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Argus said: Even among police there are lots of accidents with firearms every year. You want to have tens of thousands of teachers carrying guns into schools? You know you don't wear a gun all day, right? They go into a desk drawer, and how often do they get dropped between holster and drawer? And how often does the drawer not get locked properly? And it's not like desk drawers are guns safes it'd be hard to break into either. how often do kids get at the guns? How many kids get shot in ones and twos instead of fives and tens? Some of those links go back quite a few years, so this is not a new issue. I haven't heard of an incident involving use of teacher's gun, but I don't know how they secure the guns. Another part of the deterrent they use is putting up signs at the school notifying everyone that teachers are armed, and ready to blow your head off if you make a false move. Quote
?Impact Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Here is a link from a few months back: http://www.wave3.com/story/36159754/principal-employee-brought-loaded-gun-to-turkeyfoot-middle-school Quote
LonJowett Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Argus said: Well, you have to admit that would put a quick end to some crazy guy coming in to do a mass shooting. It would work. Of course, you'd have to put up with the thousands of accidental shootings every year, not to mention schoolyard arguments the wind up as shootouts, and kids stealing guns from teachers desk and playing with them (and shooting themselves in the face). But hey, you can't have everything! No, it wouldn't work. They wouldn't be able to match the shooters' assault weapons, and they wouldn't have kevlar vests and body armour, and they wouldn't have the advantage of surprise that the shooter would have. The most likely result would be students getting shot by frustrated, underpaid teachers. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
Michael Hardner Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 I'm actually coming over to BC's side of the fence when it comes to Canadian obsessions with this kind of news. As horrible as it is, this is turning into a monotony. If the US doesn't want to deal with this issue, we should just leave them to it. Covering mass shootings as "news" is starting to become a misnomer. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted February 24, 2018 Report Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Oh, so there are plenty of solutions, but why bother - right? Yes, there are solutions, but not from the NRA. Waste of energy and breath talking with them. Trump says they need to arm some of the teachers, repeating the NRA talking points. The largest education organization in the U.S. said the arming teachers comment is ridiculous. Nobody becomes a teacher to be an armed guard. Edited February 24, 2018 by blackbird Quote
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