Hal 9000 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Kerfuffle said: That's just stupid. If a teacher wants to carry or have a gun in a safe, they should be given the ability and training to do so, nobody is gonna make them. However, armed security is probably gonna be the direction that this goes - as it should. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Several states already have armed principals and teachers...the idea and practice is certainly not new. Armed sky marshals were put on airliners going way back to the 1960's. Some U.S. school districts will continue to augment on-site security with armed resources in some form. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Several states already have armed principals and teachers...the idea and practice is certainly not new. Cite the effectiveness of such programs. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Boges said: Cite the effectiveness of such programs. Cite the effectiveness of schools without such programs. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 The gun manufacturers and gun nut training institutions are salivating over how they can exploit the brutal death of 17 children. They want to sell millions of guns and training courses. Now if they just had a dupe in the White House to help them. Quote
LonJowett Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) The school in Florida had an armed guard. It didn't work. That's just a ridiculous distraction to sell more guns. Edited February 23, 2018 by LonJowett Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
blackbird Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Several states already have armed principals and teachers...the idea and practice is certainly not new. Armed sky marshals were put on airliners going way back to the 1960's. Some U.S. school districts will continue to augment on-site security with armed resources in some form. The NRA's answer is MORE guns. The idea of arming school teachers instead of reducing the number of guns in the country and banning semi automatic and automatic weapons of war is sheer lunacy. Some of students who witnessed the shootings have also been receiving death threats for speaking out. Edited February 23, 2018 by blackbird 1 Quote
blackbird Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, LonJowett said: The school in Florida had an armed guard. It didn't work. That's just a ridiculous distraction to sell more guns. It's also suicide for anyone who takes on such a job. Who would be the first person shot by a mass murderer? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, blackbird said: The NRA's answer is MORE guns. The idea of arming school teachers instead of reducing the number of guns in the country and banning semi automatic and automatic weapons of war is sheer lunacy. And just how would you reduce the number of guns in the country, which are legal to own and sell ? ...that horse is already out of the barn. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Cite the effectiveness of schools without such programs. Can't prove a negative. Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Can't take guns away from people. So just blame people who get shot for not having guns of their own. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boges said: Can't prove a negative. Don't have to....armed and unarmed SRO's have been a fixture on school campuses for many decades, including Canada and Europe. There is more to security and safety in schools than just freaking out over the "mass shooting" threat. http://www.crime-prevention-intl.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/2005-1999/2004.ENG.Police__Schools_and_Crime_Prevention_A_Preliminary_Review_Of_Current_Practices.pdf School districts clearly have invested in and believe that armed security resources are worth the cost. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Don't have to....armed and unarmed SRO's have been a fixture on school campuses for many decades, including Canada and Europe. There is more to security and safety in schools than just freaking out over the "mass shooting" threat. http://www.crime-prevention-intl.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/2005-1999/2004.ENG.Police__Schools_and_Crime_Prevention_A_Preliminary_Review_Of_Current_Practices.pdf School districts clearly have invested in and believe that armed security resources are worth the cost. Sort of like the school in Parkland that had an armed guard? How'd that work? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Boges said: Sort of like the school in Parkland that had an armed guard? How'd that work? He resigned for not engaging the threat inside the building. Maybe he can get a job in Toronto area schools. 1 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: He resigned for not engaging the threat inside the building. Maybe he can get a job in Toronto area schools. Ahhhh so only hire good guards. Maybe pay them more than the teachers. Or more likely, pay them minimum wage. Edited February 23, 2018 by Boges 1 Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) OR! Give people who have a Liberal Arts Degree in History a gun, a gun that every student will know they have. Edited February 23, 2018 by Boges Quote
blackbird Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And just how would you reduce the number of guns in the country, which are legal to own and sell ? ...that horse is already out of the barn. The same way other countries have had to do it. Amnesty and/or confiscation. Perhaps there could be some financial compensation offered, but that would be costly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, blackbird said: The same way other countries have had to do it. Amnesty and/or confiscation. Perhaps there could be some financial compensation offered, but that would be costly. U.S. cities already have gun buyback programs...voluntary. U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that Americans have a constitutional right to own and bear firearms. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 As long as the one and only solution for the left is confiscation...or removing the 2nd amendment, this conversation goes nowhere. There are many solutions to reduce gun deaths in the USA, can anyone on the left mention even one? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
blackbird Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: U.S. cities already have gun buyback programs...voluntary. U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that Americans have a constitutional right to own and bear firearms. We know there is a right, but exactly whether that is unlimited. Can a person have a 50 calibre machine gun mounted on a tripod or a shoulder-mounted anti tank rocket launcher? There has to be some rationality to owning firearms. I am sure the federal government could bring in some laws to define exactly what is reasonable and what is illegal. Of course it will be challenged in supreme court, but that is part of how the system works. Trump won't convince anyone of anything with his bizarre comments about arming teachers. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, blackbird said: We know there is a right, but exactly whether that is unlimited. Can a person have a 50 calibre machine gun mounted on a tripod or a shoulder-mounted anti tank rocket launcher? There has to be some rationality to owning firearms. I am sure the federal government could bring in some laws to define exactly what is reasonable and what is illegal. Of course it will be challenged in supreme court, but that is part of how the system works. Already done...decades ago. Firearms that are illegal to possess or sell are already well defined in federal and state laws. Quote Trump won't convince anyone of anything with his bizarre comments about arming teachers. Trump did not create the issue. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Another idea is to let the students themselves have a permit for conceal and carry. Sounds intriguing... Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 48 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Another idea is to let the students themselves have a permit for conceal and carry. Sounds intriguing... To psychopaths. Gonna lower the age to buy a gun? The 2nd Amendment extends to 12 year olds right? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 When all is said and done, Trump will have done more for this issue than Obama and his supermajority congress. Guaranteed! 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
?Impact Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: As long as the one and only solution for the left is confiscation...or removing the 2nd amendment, this conversation goes nowhere. There are many solutions to reduce gun deaths in the USA, can anyone on the left mention even one? Plenty have been mentioned time and time again, but the gun nuts have the Republicans in their pocket. 1 Quote
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