Nationalist Groups in Canada

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Wilber said:

Whatever. There were plenty of so called Catholics and Protestants in France, Austria the Netherlands who were quite willing to betray Jews to the Gestapo.

 

Oh? Am I apparently a huge fan of Christianity, now? 

Islam and Nazism share many of the same ideals. You can deal with it or deny it. Deny seems to be the trend. 

Of course, you could always show me how I have Islam all wrong and it really doesn't call for the death of Jews...like Nazism does.

[DogOnPorch]

Tick tock...

[Wilber]

No, I am pointing out your fixation with the Mufti who was only one of many from different religions and other groups who collaborated with the Nazis against the Jews.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Wilber said:

No, I am pointing out your fixation with the Mufti who was only one of many from different religions and other groups who collaborated with the Nazis against the Jews.

 

As the political leader of the Muslim world at the time and the creator of the Palestinian Cause we still enjoy to this day, you are free to deny his role in history and WW2....as you do.

[DogOnPorch]

The world had his number well before I was born.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=19470915&id=lLAfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=N9cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1802,5405767

[Wilber]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

As the political leader of the Muslim world at the time and the creator of the Palestinian Cause we still enjoy to this day, you are free to deny his role in history and WW2....as you do.

I don't deny it at all.  I'm just not consumed by it. The Germans also elected Hitler as their political leader who made National Socialism a religion. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Wilber said:

I don't deny it at all.  I'm just not consumed by it. The Germans also elected Hitler as their political leader who made National Socialism a religion. 

 

And we bombed Hamburg into dust. Islam gets a pass.

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

And we bombed Hamburg into dust. Islam gets a pass.

Ya well, Taxme's buddies in Charlottesville are keeping the faith. Let's see, how many wars have there been in the Middle East since 1947?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Wilber said:

Ya well, Taxme's buddies in Charlottesville are keeping the faith. Let's see, how many wars have there been in the Middle East since 1947?

 

My family's name is listed 12 times at Yad Vashem. How many times has yours?

Arabs started every war in the Arab-Israeli conflict(s).

[Goddess]

40 minutes ago, Argus said:

 

Let me address this. I saw an interview on you tube last night with a Syrian refugee - from 25 years ago, and a Christian. She had been tapped to help newcomer Syrian refugees since she speaks the language. At first they didn't know she was Catholic, assuming she was a Muslim. Anyway, she found their beliefs appalling, and not simply because she was a Christian. She said that when she left Syria women did not wear hijabs and niquabs, and the level of religious intolerance was minimal, not just to other religions but to subsets of Islam. I saw a panel discussion in the UK where a Muslim woman said much the same about Egypt, and she blamed the change on Saudi Arabia's influence. 

The Saud family has spent an estimated $100 BILLION dollars over the past twenty five years promoting their cult-like version of Islam. They build mosques in other countries, and pay for the imams, they build Islamic schools and pay for teachers. They donate books and papers, and this has spread their version of Islam far and wide. ISIS believers follow Wahabi teaching, so does Al Quaeda, and Boko Haram. This is continuing unchallenged. So the Islamic world is becoming more and more extremist in its beliefs and less and less tolerant of divergent beliefs and behaviour.

One of the reasons Muslims in Canada and the US are less extreme is because so many came over before the impact of this was felt. But the newcomers are often imbued with that same Islamic zeal. Furthermore, the Saudis have donated money to build mosques and Islamic centres in Canada, and paid for Imams and teachers - teachers to teach your friend's child the sorts of things Irshad Manji talked about being taught in Islamic school when she was a girl, about how Jews were evil and Christians infidels. This must stop. We should stop bringing in Muslims without heavy screening of their beliefs, and we should halt all Saudi money and Wahabi style imams and teachers coming in as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

This is a concern of some Muslims, too.  I read this article some years ago when it came out (2013) but it echoes the above article.

Her thoughts on multiculturalism in Canada are interesting, too:

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Initially we were charmed by the concept of official multiculturalism in Canada. As new immigrants, it meant a lot to know that we could preserve our own culture and heritage. We joined the workforce and as we expanded our own horizons, we started seeing signs that something was not right. We found it odd that the Canadian government, in the name of multiculturalism, was giving official government funding to Pakistanis to learn their own language and hold ‘multicultural’ concerts – essentially, songs and dances by their own community, for their own community. Of course, many Canadians were taking advantage of this ultimately misguided policy, and it was increasingly apparent to us that state-funded multiculturalism was helping to import archaic and centuries’ old cultural practices into the Canadian framework without thought of the need to adapt to a new culture. We labelled this “excess cultural baggage”, a new, potentially divisive facet of multiculturalism that promised to split, rather than to build and unite, the people of our new country. It occurred to us that, to the extent that multiple “cultures” exist at all in a country, they should do so in a natural, “default” kind of way, not as the result of artificial, government-run programs.

 

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There were also small signals that all was not well with the Muslim communities in Canada, especially those of Pakistani origin. For example, the mother of one of my children’s classmates of Pakistani origin, asked me why my kids sang the Canadian national anthem when it is haram, forbidden. Upon asking where she got that information, she confessed that the imam of the local mosque had told the congregation that it was against the faith to sing the national anthem, or, indeed, to show loyalty to Canada.

Upon investigation, we discovered that some mosques were giving sermons against loyalty to Canada and at other places; the sermons were different in English and Arabic, the English version being toned down. Added to this disagreeable situation was the fact that many immigrants were enforcing cultural values and ideas that were at odds with Canada’s established traditions of democracy, freedom, and equality. No government or other authority seemed to contest any of this, and so these messages and teachings began to spread in the communities that had been subject to such instruction.

Later our kids went to college and we found much to our dismay that the Muslim Student Associations (MSAs) could be quite outspokenly anti-Semitic and extremist in their views. At York University, they often approached my son to convince him to be a better Muslim by joining in congregational prayers as an option over classes or be part of their (outreach programs). They left nasty notes on my niece’s door about how she would burn in hell if she did not wear the hijab. The hijab in fact started to become a political symbol and I saw a sudden rise of orthodox religiosity amongst young Muslims who were being sucked into the hardline Wahhabi/Salafist ideology.

 

 

She also covers 9/11 and Canada's immigration loopholes.

Edited August 24, 2017 by Goddess

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Argus said:

What are these different standards? You've mentioned the Catholic inquisition but those were centuries past.

Since you're jumping onto DoP's argument, are you aware of which past he is allowing to be part of the discussion ?  The Mufti pictures don't look like they came from Instagram.

 

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Let me ask you a question, then. If the Catholic church was still actively holding inquisitions around the world which involved murdering people who were heretics, would you not feel disposed to perhaps sanction that church and its followers?

Yes, I would... of course I would.   But you're jumping on the hatebait boat and trying to turn it in your own direction.  I am aware of the basis of your beliefs and have argued them as far as I can.  If you jump on DoP's hatebait choo-choo, keep in mind he's driving it.

[Wilber]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

My family's name is listed 12 times at Yad Vashem. How many times has yours?

Arabs started every war in the Arab-Israeli conflict(s).

 

Good for you.

The problem with Palestine as with much of the Middle East that it was a manufactured solution resulting from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and colonialism. I Complicated by the reality that both Israelis and Palestinians have valid claims. I don't know if they will ever sort it out peacefully.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Wilber said:

 

Good for you.

The problem with Palestine as with much of the Middle East that it was a manufactured solution resulting from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and colonialism. I Complicated by the reality that both Israelis and Palestinians have valid claims. I don't know if they will ever sort it out peacefully.

 

Good for me that I had relatives murdered during the Holocaust?

F-you.

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Good for me that I had relatives murdered during the Holocaust?

F-you.

My appologies, it was a knee jerk reaction, not well considered.

[jacee]

Speaking of Nazis ... 

GOOD NEW!! 

Stormfront, internet’s oldest white supremacist website, forced to shut down

https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3700945/stormfront-white-supremacists-website-shut-down/amp/

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — The founder of the internet’s oldest white supremacist site said he was trying to get back online Monday after a company revoked its domain name following complaints that it promotes hatred and is linked to dozens of murders.

Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated stormfront.org since 1995, said he didn’t receive any warning before Network Solutions blocked the use of the  stormfront.org  name on Friday.

And here:

Web's oldest neo-Nazi site taken offline

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/08/30/webs-oldest-neo-nazi-site-taken-offline.amp.html

Former Ku Klux Klan chief and Stormfront founder Don Black says he can't access the site or transfer the domain to another provider. That means any future version of Stormfront will likely have to restart from the ground up.

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Add:

The Southern Poverty Law Center has referred to Stormfront as the "murder capital of the Internet." Through 2014, more than 100 murders had been attributed to Stormfront users, and the site had an unusually high number of mass murderers posting on it.

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by jacee

[Cum Laude]

I'm a Canadian nationalist. I root for Canadians during the Olympics when they compete against Greeks or Cypriots.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Cum Laude said:

I'm a Canadian nationalist. I root for Canadians during the Olympics when they compete against Greeks or Cypriots.

Are you white?

 

 

[Cum Laude]

37 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Are you white?

 

 

What does it matter? I know nationalists of all colours. Do you?

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Cum Laude said:

What does it matter? I know nationalists of all colours. Do you?

White Nationalists are different.

I'm not serious. 

[Cum Laude]

7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

White Nationalists are different.

I'm not serious. 

Gotcha. Huey Newton and Bobby Seale were nationalists.

[GostHacked]

On 8/24/2017 at 0:43 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

And we bombed Hamburg into dust. Islam gets a pass.

Islam or certain Islamic nations gets a pass?  Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria .. no bombs flying in Saudi Arabia. Hmmm

[jacee]

On 24/08/2017 at 11:09 AM, DogOnPorch said:

 

Oppose Islam. Do you have a problem with that?

Interesting.

So you blame a religion for terrorism?

What about Nazis? 

Doesn't terrorism arise without or in spite of religion?

Should we not address the issue of terrorism itself, rather than being distracted into flailing wildly at an entire religion ... like the Nazis did?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, jacee said:

Interesting.

So you blame a religion for terrorism?

What about Nazis? 

Doesn't terrorism arise without or in spite of religion?

Should we not address the issue of terrorism itself, rather than being distracted into flailing wildly at an entire religion ... like the Nazis did?

There are many reasons for terrorism.  Religion is the reason for Islamic terrorism.  It wasn't for the Baader Meinhof Gang.

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

There are many reasons for terrorism.  Religion is the reason for Islamic terrorism.  It wasn't for the Baader Meinhof Gang.

If Islam were the "reason" for Islamic terrorism, we'd have a lot more Muslims blowing themselves up and running cars into crowds.  Don't be fooled by an extremist element that calls itself "Muslim" into thinking that's their reason for what they do.   They are fighting for territory and against the West, and any reason would do - they simply decided to claim Islam, and found a few random verses in the Quran to 'support' their agenda.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, dialamah said:

If Islam were the "reason" for Islamic terrorism, we'd have a lot more Muslims blowing themselves up and running cars into crowds.  Don't be fooled by an extremist element that calls itself "Muslim" into thinking that's their reason for what they do.   They are fighting for territory and against the West, and any reason would do - they simply decided to claim Islam, and found a few random verses in the Quran to 'support' their agenda.

If you like. I don't believe that myself. I don't believe separation of church and state would be high on their agenda if they ever achieved their caliphate, nor do I believe that the lone wolves who carry out attacks that are subsequently claimed by Islamists are inspired by anything other than their jihad.