drummindiver Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Some in that crowd might identify themselves as Nazis. Some might identify as Commies. But it's a big leap to go from a Tiki Torch march to the Fourth Reich....or from ANTIFA in masks to the Gulags. That takes a nation. Odd no one mentions the photo of armed guardsmen escorting these fellas through the Anti fascist mob because of opinions, no matter how repugnant these opinion are.
Chrissy1979 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: So, you would clearly agree that if a larger group of people showed up and destroyed a monument to Malcolm X, MLK, or painted over a rainbow crosswalk, that would be justified based on the number of people involved? If the majority of people don't want such a monument, then I guess the monument goes.
Hal 9000 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Boges said: True. They're useless losers. But in this case the POTUS actively defends them. So that's a reason for concern. He doesn't defend them. Saying they were not the only ones involved in violence is not defending the WN's. He might be trying to defend their 1st amendment rights, because they still do have rights. You guys are going ballistic because you want him to side with mob justice and he can't - and he shouldn't. Just because Obama jumped onto a side, doesn't make it right. He's condemned the violence, knows there's a problem and should work to fix it, he shouldn't be willfully fuelling the fire of vigilantism or of hate. That was the last president. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: He doesn't defend them. Saying they were not the only ones involved in violence is not defending the WN's. He might be trying to defend their 1st amendment rights, because they still do have rights. You guys are going ballistic because you want him to side with mob justice and he can't - and he shouldn't. Just because Obama jumped onto a side, doesn't make it right. He's condemned the violence, knows there's a problem and should work to fix it, he shouldn't be willfully fuelling the fire of vigilantism or of hate. That was the last president. Please cite the murders that occurred in Charlotteville from the "Alt-Left".
dialamah Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Here is a story that won't make international news. Group of 20 counter-protesters attacked by 100s of the alt-right, beat with tiki torches and doused with fluid. One of the group has a neck artery damaged and two days later suffers a stroke. Gofundme here for his medical costs. Edited August 16, 2017 by dialamah Typo
DogOnPorch Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Boges said: You know there are people that do think that they don't have the right to protest. It's hate speech. But they do have that right. And people have the right to counter their protest and not get run over by people in cars that can't handle people questioning their worldviews. Only certain types of folks actually show-up to street protests. I'm not one of them. Protests are one thing...running street battles are another. The first is alright...the second...not so much. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said: If the majority of people don't want such a monument, then I guess the monument goes. The majority of people don't want to pay taxes. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Odd no one mentions the photo of armed guardsmen escorting these fellas through the Anti fascist mob because of opinions, no matter how repugnant these opinion are. These same folks call Ezra Levant a Nazi...brains aren't #1 on the runway. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: Here is as story that won't make international news. Group of 20 counter-protesters attacked by 100s of the alt-right, beat with tiki torches and doused with fluid. One of the group has a neck artery damaged and two days later suffers a stroke. Gofundme here for his medical costs. How much did you give? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, Boges said: HEY! You guys are protesting Neo Nazis and the KKK to vigorously! People are gonna die if you questions people's racism. I find the Left's protest tactics to be tedious and annoying as well. But I'm not going to condemn them from speaking out against unashamed racists. POTUS shouldn't either. . . But he's crazy. POTUS is supposed to defend the rights of all Americans, not just the alt-left racists. 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
dialamah Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: So, you would clearly agree that if a larger group of people showed up and destroyed a monument to Malcolm X, MLK, or painted over a rainbow crosswalk, that would be justified based on the number of people involved? A large group of people didn't show up and damage a monument. A decision was taken by the city and was challenged in the court, but the court sided with the city. The statue was being removed legally. The racists used this to advertise theor presence and agenda. David Duke is on your side; are you proud?
drummindiver Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Core values=values that are part of the ideology itself. I am not moving goalposts, this is my point: you can't fault the core philosophy for misappropriation of the ideas. Christianity is a good idea, despite deviant priests, residential schools etc. Say whaaat? Since when is anything based on supernatural deities and talking snakes a good idea? Communism has zero core benefits that are commendable except for disdain of the church....opiate for the masses Altruism is a soul crusher. Zero personal property is a death knell. State run industry, Blind allegiance to the state enforced. What could go wrong?
drummindiver Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said: If the majority of people don't want such a monument, then I guess the monument goes. Like when the Taliban destroyed 1500 year old Buddhist statues because they go against idolatry.
Michael Hardner Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, drummindiver said: Say whaaat? Since when is anything based on supernatural deities and talking snakes a good idea? Again, go back to history as to how/why religion developed. It looks like you have concurred on the rest. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Boges said: Please cite the murders that occurred in Charlotteville from the "Alt-Left". Yes, it is a fact that someone was murdered, no one defends the POS that did that, however it doesn't change the other facts. It doesn't change the fact that the alt-left came down to squelch free speech, or that they came with obvious intent to brawl, it doesn't change anything about their behaviour since the inception of BLM and Antifa, that goes back before Trump was even a thought. What if there was no murder last weekend? Would you be on the side of free speech? No, you wouldn't, because fundamentally you believe in "the ends justify the means"...and that has never been acceptable the modern western society. This asshole driving his car was the best thing that has happened to alt-left movement. I said it before, The left will push and push and when something goes bad, they'l claim "victim status". The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: POTUS is supposed to defend the rights of all Americans, not just the alt-left racists. He doesn't though. Just ask Muslims or the media he doesn't like or really anyone he decides to be in a snit about. But Duke is thanking him for his support and you are proud of him. Guess we know who you are.
drummindiver Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Again, go back to history as to how/why religion developed. It looks like you have concurred on the rest. Lack of science and gullibility.
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Yes, it is a fact that someone was murdered, no one defends the POS that did that, however it doesn't change the other facts. It doesn't change the fact that the alt-left came down to squelch free speech, or that they came with obvious intent to brawl, it doesn't change anything about their behaviour since the inception of BLM and Antifa, that goes back before Trump was even a thought. What if there was no murder last weekend? Would you be on the side of free speech? No, you wouldn't, because fundamentally you believe in "the ends justify the means"...and that has never been acceptable the modern western society. This asshole driving his car was the best thing that has happened to alt-left movement. I said it before, The left will push and push and when something goes bad, they'l claim "victim status". Has no one been murdered I probably wouldn't have known about this protest, or cared. And if Trump didn't use the same type of moral equivalency we see used to defend Radical Islam (which I disagree with as well) then this wouldn't have gotten to attention it got. AND if Trump didn't Double Down yesterday, this story might be over with by now. But it keeps going because he can't help himself by giving his base handjobs.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dialamah said: He doesn't though. Just ask Muslims or the media he doesn't like or really anyone he decides to be in a snit about. But Duke is thanking him for his support and you are proud of him. Guess we know who you are. Sorry...but your attempt at shaming me from Canada won't work. The U.S. Constitution means far more than your finger wags from across the border. I served to defend it...you never will. The ACLU has often defended the rights of "Neo-Nazis", because it's the American thing to do. Less freedom in Canada. Edited August 16, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 You have fascist groups on one side, who chant anti-Semitic and racist slogans. You have peaceful groups opposing them, as well as some trouble makers who react with violence. There is no reason to defend the fascists here. They had the right to march and they did. Their message is odious and provokes nutbars to attack and give them attention. But there isn't equivalence here. If the leaders want a riot they can play this up as a battle of equals and see what happens. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sorry...but your attempt at shaming me from Canada won't work. The U.S. Constitution means far more than your finger wags from across the border. I served to defend it...you never will. The ACLU has often defended the rights of "Neo-Nazis", because they have it's the American thing to do. Less freedom in Canada. Who's stamping out those freedoms? Others have the same freedom to vehemently disagree though.
Michael Hardner Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Lack of science and gullibility. Ok then. You are making the mistake of applying contemporary values to the past. Rookie mistake, usually made by leftists who point out Lincoln was a racist etc. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Who's stamping out those freedoms? Others have the same freedom to vehemently disagree though. Still waiting for some of the alt-left wannabes from Canada to emphatically state/admit that American "white supremacists" have the right to "hate speech" and peaceful assembly without being physically attacked by alt-left criminals. Edited August 16, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Every single well travelled american I have spoken to thinks donald trump is a dickhead and people have no choice but to put up with him. You only have to travel across europe including the UK to realise what kind of a repugnant, impulsive, megalomaniac this man is described. He used to be a laughing stock now he is a total embarrassment...His softening tone to the ultra rights and KKK only shows he is nothing but a racist twat... Edited August 16, 2017 by kactus
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Still waiting for some the alt-left wannabes from Canada to emphatically state/admit that American "white supremacists" have the right to "hate speech" and peaceful assembly without being attacked by alt-left criminals. Canada has hate laws. There is a Canadian Nationalist Rally planned in Toronto.
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