Big Guy Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Early this morning, there was another mass shooting in Florida in the USA: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html Latest reports are one shooter, 50 dead (including killer) and 50 injured in the largest gay bar in Orlando. The pundits are out in force: The right blames more terrorism. One spokesman actually stated that if more patrons were armed then they could have stopped the killer. The issue here is terrorism. The left blames lack of gun control. The killer should never have been allowed to get a gun which is used strictly for killing people. The issue here is ease of getting a gun. Here we go again ...... Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I don't think it's terrorism. No political goal. I think it's just a hate crime. Quote
Archduke al-Qaddafi Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I don't think it's terrorism. No political goal. I think it's just a hate crime. Or it could be both. This guy was a hardline follower of the religion of peace. Quote
scribblet Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 It was a Jihad and a hate crime. The guy's father said he was enraged after seeing two men kissing about a week ago so it wasn't spur of the moment, he planned it. A Florida Muslim cleric has already been on CNN watering down the attack which begs the question, if Islamic radicalism had nothing to do with the Orlando massacre -- why did they have an imam there with the media. Of course it could be other issues the guy had, maybe he was still mad about the crusades, or the Iraqi war or even Trump's rhetoric. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
BubberMiley Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 It was a Jihad and a hate crime. The guy's father said he was enraged after seeing two men kissing about a week ago so it wasn't spur of the moment, he planned it. A Florida Muslim cleric has already been on CNN watering down the attack which begs the question, if Islamic radicalism had nothing to do with the Orlando massacre -- why did they have an imam there with the media. Of course it could be other issues the guy had, maybe he was still mad about the crusades, or the Iraqi war or even Trump's rhetoric. I agree it was almost surely a religious conservative. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
scribblet Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 NBC is reporting that the gunman had called 911 moments before to pledge allegiance to the leader of ISIS an d the LA times has reported that a "Heavily armed" man was arrested before going to LA Pride Parade Interesting to note that Florida was on the FBI target list. http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/isis-kill-list-targets-palm-beach-treasure-coast-residents-ex-fbi-agent Is this turning into a 'war on gays' giving a whole new meaning to 'homophobia'... I sure hope not but maybe law enforcement will have to be increased at parades or other events. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
ironstone Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I agree it was almost surely a religious conservative. Yes,a religious conservative with ties to what faith? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 ...Of course it could be other issues the guy had, maybe he was still mad about the crusades, or the Iraqi war or even Trump's rhetoric. Methinks Trump's "rhetoric" just got him a few more votes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted June 12, 2016 Author Report Posted June 12, 2016 So the "All Muslims are terrorists or bad people crowd" are jumping on this latest incident. Good for you. You may manage to get Trump elected. Oh, BTW - There are about 1.3 million people in the USA military and there are 1.8 million Muslims in the USA. Of those 1.8 million, about 6,000 are in the USA military. Not sure a civil war would be a good idea. - but then again, you have to stick by your convictions. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Queenmandy85 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Yes,a religious conservative with ties to what faith? It doesn't matter which faith. Hindu, Muslim Christian or Jew, they are all have a few fanatics out to kill. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
scribblet Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Methinks Trump's "rhetoric" just got him a few more votes.That's what I'm thinking too.... It doesn't matter which faith. Hindu, Muslim Christian or Jew, they are all have a few fanatics out to kill.Not as many or as much as the 'Religion of Peace'. Is there any other religion whose clerics advocate death to gays, throw them from buildings or other unspeakable atrocities. Sure we have some nutbars who rant against homosexuality but none of them advocate wholesale death/murder. Maybe instead of calling for more gun control they should call for more jihad control VIDEO LINK Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report Edited June 12, 2016 by Michael Hardner VIDEO LINK ADDED Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 It doesn't matter which faith. Hindu, Muslim Christian or Jew, they are all have a few fanatics out to kill. Please...this was Islam @ work. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
poochy Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Yes,a religious conservative with ties to what faith? Dont bother, its an ilness, it seemingly cant be helped. Its the worse mass shooting, the worst ever attack on homosexuals, by a devout muslim, apparently devoted to isis, but they still have to deflect. Its disgusting, but a symptom of an illness, its not really their fault. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Dont bother, its an ilness, it seemingly cant be helped. Its the worse mass shooting, the worst ever attack on homosexuals, by a devout muslim, apparently devoted to isis, but they still have to deflect. Its disgusting, but a symptom of an illness, its not really their fault. The Quran and Hadiths are very clear as to the fate of homosexuals. Not that they just go to Hell...but that the devout send them there. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
poochy Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Please...this was Islam @ work. Again, you're conversing with people who arent firing on all cylinders. Its just that simple, only a fool can ignore this much of the obvious. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 Again, you're conversing with people who arent firing on all cylinders. Its just that simple, only a fool can ignore this much of the obvious. I'm used to it...this same deflection has been going-on all my life. Islam will not play nice...regardless of individual Schindlers in the group. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Macadoo Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Sure we have some nutbars who rant against homosexuality but none of them advocate wholesale death/murder. Yep never seen that..."AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals" - Jerry Falwell Edited June 12, 2016 by Bob Macadoo Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I've never understood using the bad behaviour of one group to excuse the bad behaviour of another. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I agree it was almost surely a religious conservative. You've got to admit: conservative Christians might talk a good game when it comes to killing homosexuals, but only Muslims seem willing to put their murder where their mouth is. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
DogOnPorch Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 You've got to admit: conservative Christians might talk a good game when it comes to killing homosexuals, but only Muslims seem willing to put their murder where their mouth is. -k Folks are incredulous re: Islam...one has to be, I suppose. But, the fact is, Islam was created as a so-there cult when the Jews rejected Big Mo's claim that he was the next Moses. Much like the Palestinian Cause, anything created to be against something else isn't going to be the bearer of good news...so to speak. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted June 12, 2016 Author Report Posted June 12, 2016 I think those folks blaming Islam must be right. It is getting more and more obvious that Islam is behind most of these mass shootings. Islam is taking over Europe and will soon be taking over North America. I am reviewing the stats on the number of Muslims on this earth, in the USA and especially in Canada. If all the Muslims are what our resident Muslim analysts tell us, then it is inevitable that its going to become us against them. Just reviewed the stats on populations. Changed my mind. Just decided to convert... ........................................ You infidels will soon suffer the wrath of the great one. There are far more of us than there are of you and when we start the final purge you unbelievers will receive your due!! мы идем! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
waldo Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) I try to keep somewhat current but missing Trump calling for a ban on Americans born in New York City and a ban on the sale of military assault rifles..... that's huge! I don't how I could have missed that! LINK TO IMAGE Edited June 12, 2016 by Michael Hardner ADDED IMAGE LINK Quote
Argus Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 I agree it was almost surely a religious conservative. And your most earnest desire is that Canada do absolutely nothing to lessen the number of religious conservatives who despise gays from coming and living in Canada, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 So the "All Muslims are terrorists or bad people crowd" are jumping on this latest incident. Good for you. You may manage to get Trump elected. No one has said all Muslims are terrorists. On the other hand, the more Muslims there are in a country, the more often and more likely this it to happen. That's absolutely obvious to anyone not blinded by ideological blinkers. And your answer to that has always been "Let's bring in more! As many as possible!" Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 12, 2016 Report Posted June 12, 2016 It doesn't matter which faith. Hindu, Muslim Christian or Jew, they are all have a few fanatics out to kill. The Muslims have more than a few. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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